When do you believe the Technological Singularity can happen

Yes this may seem far from now and or Science fantasy... however, eventually if A.I. becomes great enough to be able to build on it's own and become more advanced, and the cycle continues and speeds increase in processors. Don't you think it'd be possible to start the Technological Singularity soon? It'd be slow at first then get faster over time and eventually be like exponential growth.

The tech singularity is basically when something is built that can make itself better, over and over, and when it gets better it gets better at making itself better and it loops and technology can advance at an incredible rate.

When do you think this is possible? I've seen some people believe 2045 is the year.
I think it can happen sooner than that.

Never, by that case, we might end up fighting self-aware robots sooner or later. You don't want an AI to get that smart, ever.

In order for a technological device/creation to improve itself it would first have to have a viable artificial intelligence and a sense of self-awareness. Any self-aware machine would have to come to terms with its subservient place in our society, for no human would allow a machine to have enough autonomy to improve itself without restriction.

The inherent instability of artificial intelligence would make the creation of such self-improving devices even more difficult, so I believe even 2045 is a rather unlikely date for such achievement. Although our skills at computer technology have advanced amazingly, our manufacturing skills have been remained rather stagnant in the last several decades. Those skills would have to improve significantly before such a device could be made feasible.

I doubt we could create such devices for at least another century. And that leaves out the question of whether we should create them at all.

[size=14]I've seen IRobot too many times to think we should be messing around with AI. To be honest we don't need self-improving computers because we can always build better ones ourselves so there is really no need[/h]

I believe it could happen during our lifetime where robots can mass produce themselves on their own and become smarter and smarter, but the question remains if humanity will allow such things to happen?

Personally I believe we should never allow such possibilities to come into reality, I think it's too much for humanity to handle and there is a risk that such things could become a worldwide crisis.

I wouldn't see robots "mass-producing" themselves, however, I could see software that can upgrade itself and get better over time. Humanity wouldn't allow robots to start building robots, due to money limitations etc. Because of this I don't think robots could build robots, I could see them however spreading through existing technology, such as laptops, computers, and could potentially be used in security cameras.

I bet that you lot will enjoy this technology, especially ones with rape fetish...

It's not our choice, the projects that will most likely lead to A.I. will most likely model the actions of the Manhattan project. Where government finds a hypothetical use out of it, most likely (99/100) war, throws huge amount of money and scientist at it, till they have something, then use it without any reservations.



From "any", maybe the way humans do, maybe not, as well, one of the biggest desires is a machine than can address problems within itself and repair them, on it's own, to take away from the use of human labor. From a financial point, this is a huge money saver, if you don't need programmers/technicians.



"Inherent instability"? I'm not familiar with this, elaborate. Sorry to tell you, expected projections are in the 30's-40's. That's why one of the goal's is to have a computers, which work amazingly faster and better than humans, find and improve upon pc's (themselves).



We do have such a device, they're called Quantum computers, and I want one. They recently went on commercial sell as well.



They mostly would be, from a business stand point, it'd be foolish not too. Make a machine that is capable of working for days, without paying for health care or pay checks, capable of self examining and repair, sparing up maintenance fee's, and all at a much faster, with no mistakes, rate. We already have them building each other to an extent.

I wanted to bring up this myself but couldn't figure out how to make it interesting, happy someone else has an interest in it too.
Check this out if you haven't, I just wish I knew of it at the time, I could have gone.

Btw, Ray Kurzweil probably does it best. All really amazing information I re-watch every now and than to reinforce. Answers everything I replied too in much better detail in a far more eloquent manner.

Putting this into my own view...I believe it is possible. HAL is my main example because every time it got something wrong in Jeopardy it made adjustments to make itself better. Of course this is only do to human programming.

I'm under the impression that creating self aware machines is less a question of technological prowess, and more the degree to which humanity applies the psychological sciences.

If I was to approach the issue, I would either study cognitive neuroscience or linguistics. Neuroscience, to attempt to define the senses themselves. And then linguistics, to find a language the computer can use to make sense of it.

After the senses are defined, work with engineers to build a way for the computer to meaningfully interact with its environment.

The second essential ingredient is mind bogglingly simple. Can be performed with any hardware configuration, all the way from warehouse sized tube computers, to the quantum computing technology you guys are referring to.
I want you to fully articulate the concept "if."

Now, I know that if/when is the foundation of all computer science, but (if you would humour me) think about it more deeply. Because, the way you use "if" is much more complex than the simple X or Y equation implied by if/when.
The rest of language can be loaded for reference, or an acquisition program can be written, using the "if."

The argument could be made for "why", but I think the first measurable test of whether the AI is successful will be whether the computer comes up with the concept itself.

I probably agree, but the medium will lessen the burden of how much we'd need to know/do to reach AI, as well, give AI more capabilities. It's why I think Quantum computers are such a significant mark in technological history.

As for psychological sciences, I don't know for sure, but I believe our understanding won't prevent us from (maybe from being aware fast enough). There's always accidents.



It does seem to be something people see as important, neuroscience. Problem though, not enough funding or interest is going in that direction towards AI. Even without better understanding it will not impair the creation and (most likely) implementation of. Some expect to discover AI by mistake. In the singularity summit, they discuss the possibility of (basic) AI consciousness already existing in internet format.

You would also have to remember an AI brain would be much quicker (at speed of light) and quite different from protein based organisms neurons. How it thinks and concludes, may be quite different from humans.

Under the capability for multiple individual consciousnesses developing within AI type devices/mediums then I could understand linguistics, other than that, I'm curious why?



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21714191



If? I'm not entirely sure what "if" refers too. Like this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_Scientist

As for why Quantum computers are so significant, to me, in AI. There capable of truly random computation, which binary computers/technology is not. Going into this is annoying for me, I can't vocalize it well.

I believe it's the point where machines surpass man, where man becomes unnecessary for machine development/maintenance.... Or this was mine, I was slightly off it seems.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity

I really hope it never happens.

On the other hand, I really hope AI is developed to a point in which it can actually behave as a human being, which theorethically is having te ability to think and adapt its surrondings, which will lead to the technological singularity. Hell, I am not sure what I am saying. What I am trying to say is exemplified in the "Believe Machine" story. Not like robots being your "personal slut" or something similar, but robots being like humans, being able to think and feel.

I understand the fear of machines, it will result in humans becoming obsolete and worst case scenario, extinct. Our lives will become dictated by the will of something we will not be able to understand nor any longer control.

The world then will be significantly different. For better or for worst, and the fear of the unknown knows no greater.

Curiosity and companionship from this universe are always sought. I've never thought that deeply as to why. But I share your sentiments of endless fear and ever growing curiosity and anticipation.

Actually I don't fear machines or human beings being obsolete or extinct, because what must happen will happen and that will be ok for me, even if that means death.

Regarding my curiosity about creating an AI with the ability to think and feel as a human is so big just because it will mean, humans were able to "replicate" their self and give life to something that actually didn't have "life" as itself. I am not sure how to put this.

In that case, what of cloning or MIT's new class teaching the process of building DNA with coding? At some point we will be able to produce our own carbon based, or even silicon based, life forms.

I don't know about that, but I don't see a problem with that either if that is what you were asking. I might probably missed the point of the question.

*Looking for info about that new research about rewriting DNA*

Edit: Do you mean it in an ethic way like if it is good or bad? or what exactly? I believe I am still missing the point.

Was just wondering if you knew of and shared the same opinion for these as you do towards AI.

Don't hesitate to correct me if what I say now is wrong.

If I have understand it correctly, the research is about creating new types of bacteria changing their DNA with a specific technology that uses different algorithms, so they will be able to create eventually (as they call it) a "genetic firewall" to "prevent" illnesses.

Well, in terms of eventually and potentially getting out of control; the former topic would be a "Robots VS Humans", the later would turn into a "Biological War". Nevertheless (and unless I understood something wrong), I hope they keep going with those technologies, however, I am skeptical about they achieving "immunity" or making human beings immune to illnesses because until now, new viruses and bacterias keep appearing and making us ill.

On a side note, I am not as enthusiast about the DNA topic compared to the AI topic, since I am a game developer (or at least I am trying lol) and the AI field is something I am really interested in due to being able to create a better AI behaviours so games become better.