Who's at Fault?

To be perfectly honest, I only skimmed through the article but my spider sense tells me she fell because she was probably drunk. If this was the case, then this is one of those stories that make me furious. It reminds me of when college or high school kids go to parties like spring break, they do nothing but get drunk and use drugs, then someone decides to jump to the pool from the balcony and dies. Then what happens? He suddenly becomes a hero struck by tragedy, he was the nicest person in the world. If it wasn't the case, I dunno but I'm fairly certain that being on a cruise has a set of rules one should know beforehand. Unless this was the Titanic, I'd say she fell for either being drunk or stupid.

Or both...
But ya annoys me too when people are so ignorent of where responcibility lies, and then getting pissy at someone whenthey fuck up.

This kind of reminds me for whatever reason of that carnaval cruise ship that got stranded at sea. The passangers went ape shit, stealing all the food and just making trouble for the captain & crew. Then when they finnaly got the boat to port these same passangers imidiatly fillied a law suit saying the cruise didn't do enough for their intrest in the situation, eventhough they chardered a few boats to transport food, an a hellicopter to rescue people. Whats more they offered every passanger an all expence payed cruise, which i would have taken in that situation.

Just goes to show you, the general population can't figure out what a reasonable level they should have for themselfs, and just how quickly those same people will abandon everyone else, ar the first sign of fire, and resort to primal instincs.

(soz for any bad gramer/spelling, on my phone.)

Gravity, kryptonite for the Drunk and stupid.

I'm surprised no one even mentioned this, but hey. This is just like the case where a woman sued McDonalds for spilling her own coffee on her lap, and suffered severe burns. Funny enough, she won the case because McDonalds didn't have a "Caution: Hot" on the cup. She needed to be warned that the hot coffee she ordered was hot.

Really, our societies are filled with people who just can't accept responsibilities. They all have to be the "victim," that they are an prey to either the faults of another, or that circumstances we against them. These people don't want to take responsibility, they are too busy trying to push the blame onto others, trying to hide the fact that they did a dumbass action, and trying to profit from it.

Truly sad days we live in today.

It really depends on the society they live in on how these stuff are judged upon. 'Murica.

On another note, I was discussing with a friend about this event. She said it was the bartenders fault because he/ she should have stopped with the drinks when it became noticeable when the woman was drunk.

But the law on land doesn't pertain to this case since they were on international waters. Right? Or am I just pulling words from my ass?

Obviously her fault. It's bad enough you were caught drunk during the act but then when you're confronted about it you blame the bartenders? That's dumb. She's obviously looking to get some money from this.

Also, protocol is always important. It saves the trouble of more mishaps happening.

Kind of pulling words out of your ass. Here in America, and I presume in the UK and her surrounding neighbors, there is no law that says a bartender is held responsible when a person gets drunk, least to my understanding. The bartender only sells a drink, he's not shoving it down our throats, forcing us against our will. When you are at a bar, you ask for a drink, and the bartender complies. The guy can sell you as many bears and drinks as he damn well wants, it's the consumer who is asking for the drink, and the consumer who is drinking at their own discretion.

Hell, a clerk at a 7/11 can't be held responsible if you buy a bunch of bears and proceeds to hurt himself. Can you imagine a world where people who have DUI's would have an actual case, saying that the place that got them drunk were to blame? Just because a person is drunk does not give that person a free pass to do anything. You are still responsible for your actions.

well guess im cant really blame her too much. its true we must take care our selve
but my point is, in that cruise didnt have guards or smthg like that? i know there soo many people, but since it was at the middle of sea i guess its better 4 the company to be cautious espescially for costumer. i cant imagine if i were fallen off ship n no ones know TT

... She had it right. 'Drink's' is only appropriate if someone is named 'Drink. O_o;

True. People often like to take advantage of any given situation and sue as soon as they can. The sad thing is that it actually works sometimes.

What I was refering to, though, was how the media tends to glorify criminals (but that's another discussion) and idiots. Just a few weeks ago, there was a story in my country about two college guys who were at one of those end of the year college party and witnessed a robbery. Then, one of those guys tried to stop it, got shot and died. First off all, considering the nature of those parties, it is highly unlikely that he was sober. And second, the story clearly said that only two people witnessed the robbery, yet the media states he was an hero who saved the lives of his friends. No, he wasn't. He was a (drunk) moron who tried to be an hero and just died for nothing.

Sorry for the rant, this just pisses me off.

im agree with u 100% if u meant "she must not issue a complain" cuz her fault that accident mostly happened. In other view this case reminded us the lack of security the main poin to begin with. If there CCtv scanning around the deck (or other dangerous wannabe place) the cruise control could notify if something bad hapened. When accident happened in ur cruise surely u must responsible 4 it.

There was no lack of security, it's the standard number of deck hands and sailors that are aboard the cruise. You can add 50 more, hell, a hundred more, and it all still wouldn't have made much of a difference.

And like I said before, yes, the cruise is responsible for the safety of it's passengers, making sure something doesn't go wrong on their end. They are not, however, responsible for people who go out of their way to harm themselves. That balcony was made in mind that people who of less than ideal balance would be leaning on that. It was made so people wouldn't fall off. She managed to fall off, most likely climbed over or something, she's drunk, she could have done anything.

For an example, Coka-cola is responsible for when one of their vending machines falls on a person. They are not responsible when a person ignores the "do not shake" sign and proceeds to make the thing topple onto themselves. In short, the second you do stupid shit like this, it's no one else's fault but themselves.

i do not blame for the security of the cruise. What i meant is, in this case onward we the people, the society and the company must learn. When some one in ur house as a guest then u will take responsibility 4 them whatever ist the case or the cause. And at our case was a customer u see? my point is improvement whether facility or crew that can ensure more safety in the long run. When we point some one to blame its became run in the circle, and i think its pointless,

Yeah, it's our responsibility to learn from past experiences, yes. The thing is, there is a limit to it. You can't expect the cruise line to line the walls and floor with soft padding, assign a baby sitter for every passenger, WATCH them every step they take, all to ensure they're safety. They also can't be held responsible if a person manages to purposely hurt themselves, or goes against any of the safety regulations.

Like I said about the toppling vending machine, there is a no tilt sign on the dang thing. If the person ignores that and shakes the machine, and the thing falls on him and he looses his legs, well, it's his fault. The cruise line cannot be held responsible for a person's actions. The cruise line isn't to be blamed if a passenger commits suicide in a room, that person was acting of his own accord, outside of the knowledge of anyone else on that ship. So if a woman who can't hold her liquor can't keep her balance, then she should stay away from the balcony.

The thing is, in cases like these, there is normally a person at fault. For this woman, She was drunk, and made some choices that resulted in the current situation. What you imply is that this situation could have been avoidable, if on parts on the woman and the cruise line. In reality, she is the only one who could have stopped it, there was nothing they could have done that could have stopped her. Cut off her drinks? Then this would be a case where the cruise was denying her business. The sailors and employees on the ship do not have absolute authority, they are only allowed to make suggestions to the passengers, and may only take action when they have violated the rules they have agreed upon.