Why Curing Cancer is Impossible
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theotherjacob wrote...
Mash Karas wrote...
Why didn't you read THE FIRST DANG POST of this topic. I'm tired of explaining to people what is already explained in my opening post. READ THE WHOLE DANG TOPIC, YOU TOIF!
You've said that a number of times, but you still haven't understood that your first post makes about as much sense as putting a cinder block in the ground and expecting a concrete tree to grow.
You are neither a doctor, nor a biologist, nor a chemist. And You haven't had cancer, nor been directly involved with family or close friends that have. Because if you were, then you'd realize how stupid your post is. Anybody who dedicates their time to research into the human body, doesn't just sit there and go "oh, it's impossible cause some toif on the fakku forums said it is."
Infact, nobody in any profession they are dedicated to ever does that. No architect sits at his/her computer saying "it's impossible to build a house." If they have an ounce of creativity they discouver ways to do things that aren't conventional and beyond! new things emerge.
That's how we discouvered to split the atom, how to create aircraft, how to get to the moon, how to land on mars, how to sail on the ocean, how to cook food, how to create fire even. All of these were once thought to be impossible but your dense brain can't seem to comprehend that.
Just because you claim it is, without linking a single shred of evidence to counter that fact proves it.
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/cancerlibrary/what-is-cancer
It's all written right there in this link about cancer. There's more than a 100 kinds of cancer, all of which are named on where they start and how they develope. Look at the origin of cancer, it isn't divided into sub catagories for each one, it just says one thing. They replicate, and fail to die. That's it, it's not some crazy mutation that changes a cell into a piece of wood, it's literally one piece of dna. All cancer is linked to the faulty use of one piece of dna.
What is there to misunderstand here? We know exactly what causes it, and if we know exactly what causes it, we know how to treat it.
First of all, both of my grandparents on my mother's side died of cancer within my lifetime. My grandfather on my father's side did as well.
Second, I'm not a Toif. Toif is a derogatory term for a Californian. I am from the northeast of the U.S., specifically New England.
Third, your statement about how we can "overcome the difficult" is not the same as "overcoming what is impossible for our species to accomplish."
Finally, the amount of mutations that can occur are still quite large. Too large for human beings to account for, in fact.
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Mash Karas wrote...
First of all, both of my grandparents on my mother's side died of cancer within my lifetime. My grandfather on my father's side did as well.
Second, I'm not a Toif. Toif is a derogatory term for a Californian. I am from the northeast of the U.S., specifically New England.
Third, your statement about how we can "overcome the difficult" is not the same as "overcoming what is impossible for our species to accomplish."
Finally, the amount of mutations that can occur are still quite large. Too large for human beings to account for, in fact.
And you had no hope that your grandparents would live, that they would overcome it? Cause you go on about how it is impossible, sounds like you are resigned yourself anything positive.
Second, I don't care where the word is from, I simply used it because you used it to refer to someone else. I could care less if you were from california, or new england, you're still as dumb as a bag a wet rocks.
Third, any time you say that something is impossible, you are rendering your opinion based on your abilities. Just because you can't do something or can't see anyone else don't mean that it can't happen. Your pessimism is extremely annoying. I choose to believe that we accomplish the impossible because history has proven that, since the word impossible was even concieved, we have beaten it.
Polio: Impossible to cure
Computers: Impossible to build
Airplanes: Impossible to fly
Nuclear Power: Impossible to do
Stem Cell Research: Impossible to find
Sailing around the world: Impossible to do
Crossing the ocean: Impossible to do
Go to the moon: Impossible to do
For christ sakes, people said that the beatles would never a famous band, that is was impossible for them to make good music. Just because you can't do it, doesn't mean that others can't, so shut your trap cause you sound like an idiot.
And lastly as I've stated many times before, all cells replicate in the exact same way, mutations or not, that piece of DNA is the same in ALL cells.
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It is curable right? But on early stage through surgery then with chemotheraphy and medications. Still, Prevention is really better than cure.
I am pretty sure that there will be a cure in the future. Maybe, not in our lifetime, but there will be.
Like how AIDS is curable now. Or at least, It's what they say.
I am pretty sure that there will be a cure in the future. Maybe, not in our lifetime, but there will be.
Like how AIDS is curable now. Or at least, It's what they say.
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.exe wrote...
It is curable right? But on early stage through surgery then with chemotheraphy and medications. Still, Prevention is really better than cure.I am pretty sure that there will be a cure in the future. Maybe, not in our lifetime, but there will be.
Like how AIDS is curable now. Or at least, It's what they say.
I'm going to ask you this now: have you read this thread through from the beginning?
If not, than I can understand your naïve misunderstandings of what cancer is. Otherwise, I facepalm at the foolishness of your post.
Sprite wrote...
nanomachines, they can do everything.Now there's an idea!
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Drifter995
Neko//Night
I saw a picture on facebook ages ago about ways to kill cancer cells... Can't remember it entirely off the top of my head. I don't know how true it was, but it basically went on to say that all you had to do to kill cancer cells was to starve them of their food. To which it said they feed on things like glucose/ sugar, protein (or something like that found in red meat. might have been iron), and a few other things. and said basically eat only white meat, and don't eat too much or something, and you can limit the cancer cells food supply, killing them off.
If anybody finds that picture, bonus points. I couldn't.
Sorry for the vague description, but it sounded plausible, but not at the same time
If anybody finds that picture, bonus points. I couldn't.
Sorry for the vague description, but it sounded plausible, but not at the same time
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The cure for cancer is long been in production and have been estimated to be complete between the next 25 to 30 years, Stating you live that long. The answer to this problem, Simple enough, Machines. But not just any machines, Micro machines. Also known as Nano-Bots, Nano-mites and more. Google it and read the mass articles that are submitted by scientist around the world, about it and the production of it and Human Augmentation. Cancer will no longer be a factor in life in the near future.
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Flaser
OCD Hentai Collector
Drifter995 wrote...
I saw a picture on facebook ages ago about ways to kill cancer cells... Can't remember it entirely off the top of my head. I don't know how true it was, but it basically went on to say that all you had to do to kill cancer cells was to starve them of their food. To which it said they feed on things like glucose/ sugar, protein (or something like that found in red meat. might have been iron), and a few other things. and said basically eat only white meat, and don't eat too much or something, and you can limit the cancer cells food supply, killing them off.If anybody finds that picture, bonus points. I couldn't.
Sorry for the vague description, but it sounded plausible, but not at the same time
Total bullshit. All your cells need nutrients, not just cancer cells. The nutritional needs of cancerous cells is not different enough so that dietary changes could specifically affect them.
What you read was yet another "lifestyle" advice made by the irresponsible and immoral for the clueless and desperate.
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This article looks really promising.
http://news.yahoo.com/no-more-chemo-doctors-not-far-fetched-094524778.html
http://news.yahoo.com/no-more-chemo-doctors-not-far-fetched-094524778.html
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Drifter995
Neko//Night
Flaser wrote...
Drifter995 wrote...
I saw a picture on facebook ages ago about ways to kill cancer cells... Can't remember it entirely off the top of my head. I don't know how true it was, but it basically went on to say that all you had to do to kill cancer cells was to starve them of their food. To which it said they feed on things like glucose/ sugar, protein (or something like that found in red meat. might have been iron), and a few other things. and said basically eat only white meat, and don't eat too much or something, and you can limit the cancer cells food supply, killing them off.If anybody finds that picture, bonus points. I couldn't.
Sorry for the vague description, but it sounded plausible, but not at the same time
Total bullshit. All your cells need nutrients, not just cancer cells. The nutritional needs of cancerous cells is not different enough so that dietary changes could specifically affect them.
What you read was yet another "lifestyle" advice made by the irresponsible and immoral for the clueless and desperate.
Thought so >.>
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Is curing cancer truly impossible ? And if so would it be a good or a bad thing to have it cured ? What would happen if all the infliction's that threaten or kill humans i.e diseases etc where wiped out ? Would that be a good or bad thing ?
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I see the validity of your argument, and while I also believe curing cancer is impossible, I have to say treating it is far from impossible, and instead of looking for a cure, they should be looking to provide improved versions of treatments already active, and new treatments for the cancerous tumors forming in hard-to-treat regions of the body, like brain cancer, or liver cancer, or skin cancer even, since it spreads its mutation quickly throughout the body compared to other forms of cancers.
If they focused more on treatment and less on curing an incurable disease, people would become healthier more often with less risks during treatments. For now, Chemotherapy (did i spell that right?) is the best we have for skin cancer and Leukemia, for example.
I won't say that it would be bad for us, no wait, I will. If all of our natural threats were eliminated, we would SEVERELY overpopulate, into the trillions of humans, if left alone, and there would be hardly any food, drinking water, etc. to sustain the human race, so then we would slowly die out all together, unless measures were taken to kill off many humans so that a small portion could live on. Or we would have a repeat of what happens with foreign nations on a global scale - we would have to kill our children or our elderly so that the population remained small enough for us to sustain.
If they focused more on treatment and less on curing an incurable disease, people would become healthier more often with less risks during treatments. For now, Chemotherapy (did i spell that right?) is the best we have for skin cancer and Leukemia, for example.
avorix wrote...
What would happen if all the infliction's that threaten or kill humans i.e diseases etc where wiped out ? Would that be a good or bad thing ?I won't say that it would be bad for us, no wait, I will. If all of our natural threats were eliminated, we would SEVERELY overpopulate, into the trillions of humans, if left alone, and there would be hardly any food, drinking water, etc. to sustain the human race, so then we would slowly die out all together, unless measures were taken to kill off many humans so that a small portion could live on. Or we would have a repeat of what happens with foreign nations on a global scale - we would have to kill our children or our elderly so that the population remained small enough for us to sustain.
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We can "treat" cancer not "cure" it,reduce the cancer cells and prolong the patient's life.That is some thing worth putting time and effort in.
My mother died from a rare form of leukemia;I hope that none of you would experience that kind of pain.
My mother died from a rare form of leukemia;I hope that none of you would experience that kind of pain.
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b2874747 wrote...
My mother died from a rare form of leukemia;I hope that none of you would experience that kind of pain.That's sad, and thank you. Also, I'm glad we have common ground in our opinions here, I also said treatment should be a focus on our budget, not curing it.
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Will just so you guys know my mom passed away from cancer so I can understand why looking more towards treatment would be worth while. Plus would curing it really be that good ? especially if you couldn't make money off it which would suck for the rich slobs who want to control/have the most money etc
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I have cancer, please trust me I do. I've had it for quite awhile, I wouldn't call myself cured but I would definitely say I'm close. Besides that it is possible to cure cancer, but not forever. Cancer comes back which is why one must constantly get treatment to prevent the cancerous cells from coming back. It is curable, but not in the way most diseases are.
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Nanomachines are the solution to everything. Cell becomes cancerous? Eliminate the source with your very own army of nanomachines that kill all cancerous cells while not destroying healthy cells.
Nanoparticles work too and we already have them.
Nanoparticles work too and we already have them.
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Mash Karas wrote...
I continue to hear complaints to medical professionals and scientists as to why they don't "work on a cure for cancer." This constant nagging irks my intellectual side to no end, due to the simple fact that curing cancer is impossible.Thou seeth, it is common knowledge that a cancerous tumour is formed by an improper duplication of DNA within cells. (If for some reason you don't comprehend, think of the process like making multiple copies of a document, only that you have to reinsert the document into the machine each time you make a copy. If it isn't the inevitable ink running low and causing parts of the text to not be properly duplicated, then the paper might jam, or perhaps the person inserting the paper puts it in lopsided. The point is, if you are making 1,000,000 copies, chances are something will go awry.)
Therefore, it is possible for a healthy, safe and unstressed person to suddenly find themselves harbouring a cancerous tumour. It is unlikely, but it most certainly can occur.
Furthermore, the reason behind certain things increasing the chance of a cancer is quite elementary as well. A "tan," for bisen, is the remains of dead skin cells killed by the UV rays of the sun or artificial tanning service. If one constantly kills cells via constant tanning, they will need to have more duplications of those cells made more often. Ergo, the chance of an error to be present in the new cells is more likely.
Some argue that it would be possible to develop something to cause the body to be more alert for certain kinds of mutations. Indeed, such a thing can be created, but I ask you this: Is it reasonable to think that every single possible error in cell reproduction could be accounted for in such a thing? No. It couldn't.(To compare to something more people might be aware of: Pesticides kill bugs. Pesticides are generally effective. However, some bugs have developed mutations that render the pesticide harmless to them. The same would be true in the case of cell duplication errors.)
It is also illogical to think that new things could be developed for every new mutation. That would be like relying on a spaceship launch's counter effect of creating new water due to the chemical reaction of the launch as one's sole source of water production. It's impossible to perfect, and it is a waste of valuable resources.
Thusly, curing cancer is impossible and a waste of valuable resources and time.
You sound like you understand cancer, but half way through I realised you didn't >.>
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Mash Karas wrote...
nacho wrote...
edit. Actually I'm wasting my time here, I don't wanna have to respond to another one of those.Worry not, I don't need your haughtiness stinking up the discussion anyway.
Says the OP who comes down HARD on anyone who disagrees with him ever.
"Listen, you ignorant swine!"
No, would rather not, you ignorant poster.
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Wouldn't turning all humans into nano-machines beings solve it all?
No more diseases, eternal energy(=eternal food), the physical appearence you wish...
Even tough they're a bit toooooo optimistic about it(32 years? seriously?), the 2045 initiative would solve a lot of problems.
On paper(and for an non-scientist like me) it looks easier than curing cancer, or any other disease, and you get benefits.
And would help on a future galaxy-wise expan- OKAY stopped.
No more diseases, eternal energy(=eternal food), the physical appearence you wish...
Even tough they're a bit toooooo optimistic about it(32 years? seriously?), the 2045 initiative would solve a lot of problems.
On paper(and for an non-scientist like me) it looks easier than curing cancer, or any other disease, and you get benefits.
And would help on a future galaxy-wise expan- OKAY stopped.