Why do we even have a soul?

Meaning they have faith, meaning they simply believe, but don't have any evidence to back that believe up. It is the same as today believing in fairies.




The whole point here is why do you think that we have souls? Where did you get this information that we have souls? Because it is kind of funny in a sense that the very big majority of scientist don't think that we have souls, but yet you have information that they don't have.




The burden of proof is on the people who claim we have souls. It is not scientists duty to prove you wrong, it is your duty to prove yourself right.

Like i said, this belief is the same as believing in dragons or fairies.

I guess the problem of this is more so, do souls even exist, and what defines it. Since it has been reduced to more so that souls cannot be proven, and less why we have souls, I will just drop my statements earlier.

Yes, the question of this topic assumes that we have a soul in the first place without questioning do such a thing even exist.

Look, i know i may come pretty hard on to people who believe these things, but the reason for that is that so many people (i am not claiming you guys are) are using these hypothetical beliefs to dictate how other people should live. For example that abortions should be illegal because the fetuses 'soul' will die, or that gay people shouldn't be allowed to get married because god hates gay people, so on and so fort.

I am questioning peoples beliefs because i want to make themselves understand or question why they hold these hypothetical and unprovable beliefs and to ultimately change their minds if i can.

I'm continuing to read these, just so you know. It's a topic I just find interesting.

You should read up on esoteric views about what the soul is, and also about consciousness and its role that governs our daily lives.

A great place to read up on these things is Biblioteca Pleyades Don't mind the title almost the whole archive is in English.

You don't have a soul. You have consciousness.

There is no evidence that consciousness survives the body. For a matter of fact your personality can't even survive brain trauma undamaged. It gets weirder. Your consciousness does not even survive a good night's sleep. Which is to say, your stream of consciousness today isn't even connected to the one from yesterday!

You are like a jukebox that plays the same melody everyday ever so slightly different from before. Except you aren't the jukebox, you are the melody! And the jukebox!

The universe is stranger than we can even imagine.

I agree with the above; I don't believe that we have a soul in the traditional sense of the word, but rather a consciousness. And when it comes down to it, your conscious (I believe) is just all the separate processes working in your brain that when combined create what we call a personality. Each part of your brain reacts a certain way when given X stimulus, and when working together, leads your body to react a certain way when faced with a situation.

In short, our consciousness is just many processes working together to create one identity. If you were to blow up the brain to the size of a mill and walk around inside it, you would not find consciousness.

So you have something to sell to the devil. Last i checked he doesn't accept credit cards or checks.

a "soul" is all just metaphorical, it is not an actual "thing" that exists in reality, but a combination of ideals and aspects of yourself.
A souls is like a mirror of yourself in a pure for, its your life, your pain, your memories, your loved ones, your conscience, your sins, it is you.
It is a record of all the things you are, and all the things you are not.
I think a souls is a bridge, it is used to find a path to two things, yourself and to others. People become bounded by their souls, its how we become friends, lovers, enemies, that is what a soul is and what it is used for.
at least thats my opinion, in a quick sum up.

Through not-so-deep mediation and an altered state of consciousness, one has came up that the biological body does not own a soul but the soul owns a physical body to experience its projection onto the physical time/space locality.

Instead of the usage of the word 'soul', let's switch it with the word 'mind'.

What the mind/soul(either term shall be replaceable with one another in this post) in my sense of the word; It is the compartmentalization of the universe that is experiencing and self reflecting on its very own nature. From Universe, down to the Cosmic mind, down to the Galactic mind, down to the Star System mind, Down to the Planetary mind, down to the Species mind, and fast forward to the individual mind; the soul/mind of an individual is there to experience what is "Reality" and explore the novelties that manifest inside the holographic universe. Once physical bodily death has come to biological vessel the soul/mind then goes on and reconnects with the higher compartments of the universe.

Also remember to not believe in any spiritual teachings that was not gained by yourself through deep thought, insight, and experience.

Your post does a good job outlining how I feel as well. Although I believe that the only reason why we can identify that we don't know certain things is because science has brought us to that level of intellect. Basically we truly don't know anything without it.

The universe recycles itself. If anyone needs proof of that just study decomposition, the death of a star, the regeneration of celestial bodies, etc etc etc. So while I am not AS spiritual as you seem to be when it comes to a "soul" well...we're darn close. Which is pretty neat, but also very interesting. Basically...we are full of billions of years of ancient space matter, some of which may have had a consciousness. This concept comforts me, and also why I believe that the feeling of unity we crave is with one another and not any obscure, invisible, powerful organism.




EXACTLY! You took the words out of my mouth lol. "Soul" is nothing more or less than our perceived individual consciousness. It reminds me of something I pondered on after my deconversion that I later found out was a concept first introduced by Carl Sagan ( i think. Don't quote me on that source). He presented the idea that we exist as a way for the universe to perceive itself. When I consider all of our scientific endeavors I'm struck by how much it's like a amnesiac using clues and facts to discover more and more about their existence. I'm beginning to ramble though hahaha.

You also touched on perceived reality. Which we all have. This can be altered or skewed (as seen in many mentally ill patients, traumatic life experiences, and personal achievements). I bring this up because the way our brain senses the world around us has a lot to play into questions like the topic of this thread. Sorry everyone if I sound too much like a psych student, but to learn more about individuality, consciousness and the idea of a soul Carl Jung would be a great psychology Master to learn about. His work is really amazing. Despite people calling Frued the father of all psychology I feel like Jung would give him a run for his money...lol.


I appreciated all this dialogue (read through as much of the thread as I could.) I liked how curt yet polite you were despite the subject matter. I feel as though bluntness is the best response to a lot of these things, despite it being a struggle to converse without contention.

I am an ex-religious individual. Because of this, it's a lot easier for me to understand the POV from both sides. Within the culture of many of the religions I've been exposed to It seems like the word "science" immediately suggests overly technical jargon and applications that only a genius mind can comprehend...this isn't the case at all. I think because of that misunderstanding society has bred fear and confusion when it comes to educating us about our perception of the world around us. This also explains the knee-jerk reaction of the faithful when their beliefs are challenged.

[size=10]In my opinion, the idea of having a soul is subjective. Every time someone's mentioned "having a soul" or not in a conversation it's to garner up some bit of emotion...whether it's sympathy or not. [/h]

Apparently science has defined and explained why we have feelings, thought processes, preferences, and development. All the math and biology behind these things doesn't necessarily mean we dont have a soul, but instead can prove we do have one.

All the science could be our understanding of what a soul is. Just cause we broke it down to numbers and biological processes doesnt mean its not there.


Humans think they're such intelligent creatures, but really they're arrogant, boastful fools. They love saying that things we can't prove, don't exist. Let us remind ourselves what proof is. Proof is a concept created by humans that if we either see, touch, hear, smell, taste, or explain something through math/science then it is true. Math/science are also concepts created by humans to explain things we can't comprehend otherwise.

So do you have any proof that we humans have these things called 'souls', that they exist?

For myself what I truly find most important is seeing and understanding that humanity is capable of both great good and evil. I value these glimmers of selflessness that occasionally arise. I also feel despair for the cruelty and brutality others show against their fellow humans. I was raised in a religious household and I chose to walk the path of a scientific career and as such I prefer to keep my views separate.

To put it simply if we have a soul, religion is real, etc. then I gladly welcome that. If it is not that I will face that upon my end and peacefully rest.



Obviously science does tend to prefer a materialistic view of humans however it is not able to validate that claim. Modern science actually knows very little of the mind in general never mind the possibility of a soul.

Do we have a soul? -Heck if I know

Why do we have a soul? -Does it really matter all that much? We will surely find out (more or less) in the late future. So why not focus on treating others with a little respect, acknowledging they have their own views and ideals, and show a little kindness to those who need it?

Yup!

Care to share this proof with us?

My meaning of a soul is a force that powers all the biological processes in my body. Anything from thinking, healing, growing, or even improving. Since my body goes through these processes, I have a soul.

So in reality you don't have anything, you just have changed the meaning of one specific word just so you can use that word in your vocabulary and say you have it.

Impressive...