avorix wrote...
Will you know that the restriction placed on woman is so that they don't become baby factories and or have a excess of kids that puts a burden on the population right ?
And yes Humans are basically animals albeit the only difference is a higher cognitive stance towards things like philosophy etc
I wonder what your stance on monogamous relationships are ?
Are you by chance polyamorus ?
The thing is some sexual acts are taboo for a reason while I will agree with you even though you probably didn't state such a thing in your reply that sex is gratifying and all nuances should be enjoyed. After all many things where taboo until author Kingston came a long with his wife and blew the led on american sex life
Hell in the 50's I think American couples were still sleeping in beds,will those silly two separate bed style bedrooms anyway.lol
Oh and one more question,would you realy want to fuck another woman who has had another man's penis or vice verse for you females in your man/woman's genitalia ?
What is your view on virginity and sex ?
I kind of feel like scientific evolutionary and sexual psychology ideas need to be recited before I can really answer that, and I dig those fields. I studied some culture-specific and era-specific psychology for a while, and I find studies of the origins of behavior awesome, though I don't expect everyone else to. Still, for the sake of stimulating discussion, hey, why not.
Skip the following spoiler tag if uninterested in what is essentially a lecture, read on if both curious and patient. I admit it's kind of controversial, but I think it's fun to think about.
My pragmatic views don't link up with my egoistic, self-serving, id-exclusive impulses. There's a reason people with a proper working brain don't act on their impulses, and why, even if Freudian psychology is almost completely outdated and considered bunk now, the concepts of id, ego, and superego are still sound, imo. Obviously, there has to be *structure* in an organized society, so I wouldn't advocate for a free-fuck-for-all, anarchic environment. Even the most primitive of societies don't fly that way, and that's why even tribal humans had to get along to some extent, or they were, to put it one way, fucked, in that they were *not* fucked. The concepts of the "Alpha" of the group were still consistent before the earliest forms of language were evolved, and those who weren't the Alpha still had to behave, or they were, quite literally, out of the game. Social skills have been important since the day three neandarthals instinctively became tribal and social, as humans have always been social creatures that have innate "let's work together" drives, if evolutionary psychology has any merit at all.
Actually, though, I think, in practice, monogamy is a well-intended, though poorly-thought-out, idea. Still going back to way-before, neither men nor women were monogamous. In terms of fucking, there's an innate reason men can reproduce several times per day, while women can't carry more than one infant (excluding instances of twins, which are still from the same male) at a time. Sexual selection took place with both men and women, and each gender had ways of going about that selection with consideration to that. Essentially, men competed, and women selected among them. Typically, as forced sex (rape is a really ugly word, the effects of which I feel too familiar), which was still looked down upon then because it was indicative that the male lacked the proper courting means and could only reproduce by force, was generally not practiced and, as social creatures, it didn't benefit us as a social species to feel good about that. Psychopathy, or just the most extreme and polar form of egoism and inability to feel some basic emotions like fear or empathy, has always existed, but never widely condoned. Like everything then, it wasn't out of explicit ethics or morals or anything like that, but pragmatism. Humans eventually thrived because of their universal tendency to socialize and eventually create structured societies, which evolved hardcore, ridiculously quickly, compared to practically every other early species of life during that era.
Anyway, the dynamics of sexual selection in their earliest forms were different between the sexes. Men basically tried to be top-tier or at least be on good terms with the top-tiers. Women, on the other hand, had the particular trait of, well, times of the month, which had a real purpose.
By the way, if you've ever wondered, like almost everyone has, "Why do young girls like to fall for antisocial sons of bitches that the other guys always hate?", it's because young women couldn't really have the best of both worlds, in that the "Beta"-tier males weren't the "Alpha" males that were the most attractive and had the sexually attractive traits meant to create the healthiest possible offspring.
So, this is how the theory goes: Women sought after the most intelligent, most healthy males, and got around the male-driven society rules that were structured against that need through hormone changes that were, almost literally, polar opposites when either fertile or not fertile, or pregnant or not pregnant. Consequently (and, imo, this is where monogamy kind of falls apart), women were sort of more cunning, in that they chose to be impregnated by the "strongest" males (today, most of us see them as clinically antisocial jerks, especially in early adulthood), but once that happened, their hormones basically flipped a switch that then made it necessary to have a more "fatherly" figure to ensure the survival of the offspring, so they then preferred not necessarily the "strongest" men, but the most intelligent and responsible men to care for the offspring (the socially acceptable group that got along and weren't necessarily the strongest, but were the most intelligent and best-suited to care for the infant). Infidelity in that sense was common as a result, but somehow men had a sense for when the offspring was or wasn't theirs.
OK, so as a warning, here's where it gets more controversial: Since the right to mate was something that needed to be approved by the dominant males by those with whom they simply got along best, this was a conflict of interest. There was an abundance of male testosterone, but healthy women weren't infinitely available. Men, then, over the span of several generations, naturally picked up that something was off. Since several men were suspected "stepfathers", this didn't sit kindly with them (and this is also presumably why stepfathers tend to resent, and often abuse, their stepchildren much more often than biological fathers, since they don't share the same natural bond that would form between father and son/daughter).
Except there really wasn't anything we could do about it except develop jealousy, which led to violence among men between men, men between women, and women between women. And since we didn't exactly have DNA tests quite yet, different cultures developed their own sets of rules in an effort to prevent the ensuing havoc often caused by the emotion of jealousy. And, well, that's pretty much what we're still doing today, and an explanation why, with the advent of organized religion, ideas essentially revolving around the concept of "sanctimony" and "unionship" were enforced.
All cultures are still working on that. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm only restating the basic theories behind developmental sexual psychology and its highly influential role in developing society and culture across the world.
End of ginormous WoT, but massive props to anyone who can form their own thoughts about those theories based in a myriad of scientific fields coming together to form some kind of explanation for our development as a species into a massive number of different highly-organized cultures and the subjective ethics and creeds of each.
Answering the questions honestly, now:
1. I don't agree that population control is the motivating factor behind preventing women from being "baby factories" (to my knowledge, only China has the one-child-per-couple law for that reason of stagnating resources), I think that has to do with enforcing monogamy and the factor of jealousy, which can be a serious source of societal conflict. Cognition has evolved (and in some ways devolved) gradually out of necessity to deal with constantly changing environments to which we as individuals adapt to balance our needs with the needs of the human race. Psychopaths and criminals are unconcerned with the latter, but are a pretty small subgroup--but how we deal with *that* is a different topic entirely. Philosophy is the precursor to psychology, which is probably going to be a precursor to objective neuroscience. That's future-talk.
2. I think monogamy is a good idea in theory, but has never been sound in practice and probably won't ever be, for the reasons above, especially with regards to the tendency for both men and women to have strong sexual attraction to people other than their mates that naturally changes over time, and varies in degree. But since I live in Massachusetts, which is a monogamous state (as opposed to, say, a polygamy-based state like Utah, which would be alien to me unless I was raised with those particular values), I'm obliged to agree.
3. I'm 26 and never married, but I've been involved in a lifelong friendship and subsequent relationship with an exceptionally intelligent and insightful girl (now a young woman in her own right, and she's just an incredible muse for thought and creativity for me) who spurred my interest in the subject--and her influence on my own philosophy has led me to believe mutually that, ultimately, men and women are created totally different, both biologically and psychologically, so as common a stand-up routine it is, I really don't think we men can ever understand women any more than we can understand ourselves. On the opposite side, women understand men (us) in their own way, and neither is correct nor incorrect, they're just separate interpretations for the same behavior. It's *impossible* for us to ever think or even communicate the same way, which is often a prime cause of conflict, but that's also another topic.
It's worth noting that she's always thought since we were kids that I like to talk too much, though. She's still totally right.
4. I'm not really preferential toward polygamy or monogamy, I just try to fit in with whatever culture I'm in at the time. I move around a whole lot; I have an older sister who has always lived in Germany and a special dialect of Deutsch is her primary language, whereas I can barely speak any German, while I was also born outside of the USA in Latin America (never resided there, though--I'm actually of Lithuanian descent, and a series of stupidly long stories), and my younger brother was born in Maine, so I've been around too many cultures to stick to one. I think both ideas of monogamy and polygamy have their ups and downs, and one isn't necessarily better than the other. I prefer to judge by personal experience over anything else, so I don't think I can make that call.
5. I don't really get the question. Would I have sex with someone who isn't a virgin? Well, yeah, I mean that's part of the culture I live in. I don't think about virginity much, I've just never been all that concerned about it.
6. I guess I'm just comfortably heterosexual and content about it? Sex isn't something I'm really that concerned about. Though Nauticon is coming up in a few days, and I'm spending the whole weekend there with a few people, so that might change.