Fate Stay Night
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mibuchiha wrote...
That guy from KnK? Lol, where do you get that info?Btw, Fate/Zero is from Urobuchi Gen, who wrote Phantom and Saya no Uta. Gotta love the darkness....which is perfect for Kiritsugu.
Its a woman, which is Aozaki Aoko's sister..
I think there is info from Battle Moon Wars , which contain spoiler for hollow ataraxia, F/SN and Tsukihime (Meltyblood), Fate Zero.
Which I recommend not to play...before you finish hollow ataraxia
mibuchiha wrote...
Fate/Zero is from Urobuchi Gen, who wrote Phantom and Saya no Uta. Gotta love the darkness....which is perfect for Kiritsugu.oh-sh....saya no uta, the VN which freaked the hell out of me, I still dare not finish it, chose an early ending and stoped right there, my heart is weak
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mibuchiha
Fakku Elder
Lol, so you can imagine how Fate/Zero is now? I mean, it's Urobuchi from Nitroplus...
And that's what making Fate/Zero super awesome.
And that's what making Fate/Zero super awesome.
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mibuchiha wrote...
Lol, so you can imagine how Fate/Zero is now? I mean, it's Urobuchi from Nitroplus...And that's what making Fate/Zero super awesome.
Lol..considering people saying how epic saya no uta is, I cant seem to have to courage to finish it, let alone get another work from its writer. But Ill consider reading it soon....after im done with saya no uta.
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Then I'll pass. Certain parts of Fate and Tsukihime are just about at the level of "dark" that I can read till the end. I don't have that good of a "night vision".
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mibuchiha
Fakku Elder
Poki#3 wrote...
Then I'll pass. Certain parts of Fate and Tsukihime are just about at the level of "dark" that I can read till the end. I don't have that good of a "night vision".Lol, can't handle dark stories well? But don't worry, I think Saya is way darker than Fate/Zero. Fate/Zero still got the feeling of f/sn to it.
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mibuchiha wrote...
Poki#3 wrote...
Then I'll pass. Certain parts of Fate and Tsukihime are just about at the level of "dark" that I can read till the end. I don't have that good of a "night vision".Lol, can't handle dark stories well? But don't worry, I think Saya is way darker than Fate/Zero. Fate/Zero still got the feeling of f/sn to it.
That will give me some motivation, but I think I spoilered myself after playing BattleMoonWars...damn..nobody told me it was a SpoilerFesta, thx for the recommendation too. Will read it for seiba, not so found of kiritsugu.....yet I guess.
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mibuchiha
Fakku Elder
yeah321 wrote...
Will read it for seiba, not so found of kiritsugu.....yet I guess.haha. let's see the position reverse...my opinion of seiba actually lowered when i read fate/zero, and kiritsugu skyrockets...
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Don't forget Waiver velvet, he seems's funny with iskander in fate zero.
Like when Iskander tried to marched out of the destroyed library with the stolen books. He still act as a conquerer, which make waver freaked out.
Like when Iskander tried to marched out of the destroyed library with the stolen books. He still act as a conquerer, which make waver freaked out.
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mibuchiha
Fakku Elder
I read at this one site that the Rho Aius that was projected when Shirou's casting UBW in his battle with Gil is not projected by him, but by Archer from a distance. Then I checked again from the vn....and I thought it was Shirou's alright...So what do you guys think?
And I'm using the translated version, if it matters.
And I'm using the translated version, if it matters.
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mibuchiha wrote...
I read at this one site that the Rho Aius that was projected when Shirou's casting UBW in his battle with Gil is not projected by him, but by Archer from a distance. Then I checked again from the vn....and I thought it was Shirou's alright...So what do you guys think?And I'm using the translated version, if it matters.
nya...a moment i still remember...
Spoiler:
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Poki#3 wrote...
mibuchiha wrote...
wait, KnK, Tsukihime and KT are in the same universe as Fate series? Dunno that.They are, though there are no apparent links between Fate and Tsukihime, but there are between Tsukihime and KnK. Oh, and You know who (Spoilers for Fate's 3rd route ending)
Spoiler:
Same Nasuverse, yes, but Tsukihime and KnK (and even Fate) are not linked at all. There is no possibilities that characters from other worlds can meet each other. Aozaki sisters are enigmatic characters that can appear in any kind of story or world, possibly because of their inheritance of Magic. Think about them like there's always a character named Cid in every FF.
mibuchiha wrote...
I read at this one site that the Rho Aius that was projected when Shirou's casting UBW in his battle with Gil is not projected by him, but by Archer from a distance. Then I checked again from the vn....and I thought it was Shirou's alright...So what do you guys think?And I'm using the translated version, if it matters.
It's not clearly stated by the VN, but it's assumed like that because Shirou at that time didn't know shit about Rho Aias nor he knew how to trace shields, and to trace shield Phantasms you need 3 times more mana than swords, so yea I think that time it was Archer who did it.
cmiiw
Edit : eh nvm. he saw Archer. hence my argument is void.
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mibuchiha
Fakku Elder
From Type-Moon wiki:
At the end of Unlimited Blade Works (route), the one that defends Emiya Shirou isn't projected by him, but by Archer from a distance.
Lol, I think both of them can project it from a distance...but it seems clear in the vn that Shirou's the one who projected Aius...
At the end of Unlimited Blade Works (route), the one that defends Emiya Shirou isn't projected by him, but by Archer from a distance.
Lol, I think both of them can project it from a distance...but it seems clear in the vn that Shirou's the one who projected Aius...
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mibuchiha wrote...
From Type-Moon wiki:At the end of Unlimited Blade Works (route), the one that defends Emiya Shirou isn't projected by him, but by Archer from a distance.
Lol, I think both of them can project it from a distance...but it seems clear in the vn that Shirou's the one who projected Aius...
Urg, since type moon said it, it must be true..lol
Still the VN doesnt quite give any clue of that...
In no other way did archer and shirou poped a conceptual wpn in distance..not in HF, UBW or fate, the tracing they did simply does not appear furthur then their fingers, so no, i dont think they can trace stuff " in a distance "
EDIT: after doing alittle research i found this
Spoiler:
does this mean that Rho Aius is actually not a conceptual weapon, but instead similar to a reality marble? Thats more like a barrier, then a shield, that would explain my distance thinggie... but that contradicts type-moon wiki saying that its a conceptual weapon..so wtf?
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mibuchiha
Fakku Elder
Shirou did project aius from a distance. remember when he used aius to offset dark excalibur, when saber alter fought against rider? that has to be done from a distance.
and it's type-moon wiki, I don't think it got anything to do with type-moon itself...
and it's type-moon wiki, I don't think it got anything to do with type-moon itself...
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mibuchiha wrote...
Shirou did project aius from a distance. remember when he used aius to offset dark excalibur, when saber alter fought against rider? that has to be done from a distance.and it's type-moon wiki, I don't think it got anything to do with type-moon itself...
well after knowing that its something similar to a barrier then a conceptual weapon, which is similar to Reality marbles, i guess it is able to create it from a distance.
So meh, the VN didnt gave much information so I cant say for sure nor i know for sure, but I guess archer did it is a possible answer.
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somesome wrote...
Poki#3 wrote...
mibuchiha wrote...
wait, KnK, Tsukihime and KT are in the same universe as Fate series? Dunno that.They are, though there are no apparent links between Fate and Tsukihime, but there are between Tsukihime and KnK. Oh, and You know who (Spoilers for Fate's 3rd route ending)
Spoiler:
Same Nasuverse, yes, but Tsukihime and KnK (and even Fate) are not linked at all. There is no possibilities that characters from other worlds can meet each other. Aozaki sisters are enigmatic characters that can appear in any kind of story or world, possibly because of their inheritance of Magic. Think about them like there's always a character named Cid in every FF.
Yes and no. We already have established that the concept of "parallel universes" is something that's completely canon (Zelretch, Jewel Sword, to a degree Melty Blood, Archer and various storylines...) and traveling between them is possible.
I don't think it's ever clearly stated that Fate and Tsukihime are or are not in the same universe. Same goes for KnK (though this is probably a lot more complicated).
There are links between the different novels, you can't say there aren't, but they are very vague. I'd really like to see some official crossovers...
And about the Aozakis: Can't wait for Mahou Tsukai no Yoru. It can officially confirm, deny or completely ignore all of this :P
@Rho Aias
Since Archer helped Rin, I don't see why couldn't he help Shirou? Shirou in HF projected Aias at a distance, using Archer's knowledge. It may be a Conceptual Weapon somewhere, but Archer and Shirou probably use a projected substitute, just like everything else (K&B included).
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Poki#3 wrote...
somesome wrote...
Poki#3 wrote...
mibuchiha wrote...
wait, KnK, Tsukihime and KT are in the same universe as Fate series? Dunno that.They are, though there are no apparent links between Fate and Tsukihime, but there are between Tsukihime and KnK. Oh, and You know who (Spoilers for Fate's 3rd route ending)
Spoiler:
Same Nasuverse, yes, but Tsukihime and KnK (and even Fate) are not linked at all. There is no possibilities that characters from other worlds can meet each other. Aozaki sisters are enigmatic characters that can appear in any kind of story or world, possibly because of their inheritance of Magic. Think about them like there's always a character named Cid in every FF.
Yes and no. We already have established that the concept of "parallel universes" is something that's completely canon (Zelretch, Jewel Sword, to a degree Melty Blood, Archer and various storylines...) and traveling between them is possible.
I don't think it's ever clearly stated that Fate and Tsukihime are or are not in the same universe. Same goes for KnK (though this is probably a lot more complicated).
There are links between the different novels, you can't say there aren't, but they are very vague. I'd really like to see some official crossovers...
Uh I guess I didn't explain that right, sorry for that. Yes, it's canon, crossing parallel universes is possible, but to get through them you need the Second Magic.
I thought I saw a statement somewhere that Nasu's works are in separate worlds and the only characters that connect them are Zeltretch and Aozaki sisters (and Ahnenerbe lol), thus they are the only links. By I mean not linked at all is for example Saber meeting Arc is impossible, since they live in different place (and probably different era), previous post was a bad choice of words, sorry.
Why the Aozaki sisters can be everywhere is a secret only Nasu knows though. He also made some plothole about concepts like The World, I guess he's trying to leave them to the fans' imagination or something. I'd really like to see some official crossover too(SaberxArc omnomnom), All Around Type Moon is the only crossover that has ever been made which is kinda meh.
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somesome wrote...
Poki#3 wrote...
somesome wrote...
Poki#3 wrote...
mibuchiha wrote...
wait, KnK, Tsukihime and KT are in the same universe as Fate series? Dunno that.They are, though there are no apparent links between Fate and Tsukihime, but there are between Tsukihime and KnK. Oh, and You know who (Spoilers for Fate's 3rd route ending)
Spoiler:
Same Nasuverse, yes, but Tsukihime and KnK (and even Fate) are not linked at all. There is no possibilities that characters from other worlds can meet each other. Aozaki sisters are enigmatic characters that can appear in any kind of story or world, possibly because of their inheritance of Magic. Think about them like there's always a character named Cid in every FF.
Yes and no. We already have established that the concept of "parallel universes" is something that's completely canon (Zelretch, Jewel Sword, to a degree Melty Blood, Archer and various storylines...) and traveling between them is possible.
I don't think it's ever clearly stated that Fate and Tsukihime are or are not in the same universe. Same goes for KnK (though this is probably a lot more complicated).
There are links between the different novels, you can't say there aren't, but they are very vague. I'd really like to see some official crossovers...
Uh I guess I didn't explain that right, sorry for that. Yes, it's canon, crossing parallel universes is possible, but to get through them you need the Second Magic.
I thought I saw a statement somewhere that Nasu's works are in separate worlds and the only characters that connect them are Zeltretch and Aozaki sisters (and Ahnenerbe lol), thus they are the only links. By I mean not linked at all is for example Saber meeting Arc is impossible, since they live in different place (and probably different era), previous post was a bad choice of words, sorry.
Why the Aozaki sisters can be everywhere is a secret only Nasu knows though. He also made some plothole about concepts like The World, I guess he's trying to leave them to the fans' imagination or something. I'd really like to see some official crossover too(SaberxArc omnomnom), All Around Type Moon is the only crossover that has ever been made which is kinda meh.
Yeah, well this discussion can go both ways. Certainly, only the 3 characters are the links, and they are very mysterious characters. But it's my wish, and I want to believe that they're all the the same universe and around the same time frame ^^
In all honesty, when you're trying to analyze anything this deeply, plotholes are bound to show up here and there. I mean, it's not like Nasu has everything thought up from the beginning and is just executing his grand master plan. I'm pretty sure it's more along the lines of "make shit up as I go on" :P (at least to an extent)
If everything was clear as day, then we couldn't have discussions like this. It would be pretty boring ;]
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how bout we say this
lets look at the the organizations of the nasuverse
respectfully the church and the mages associations
both exist as the same yet parallel organized entities
like beyond zeltretch and the kaleidoscope sword wielded by tohsaka
didnt anyone notice the standard of the black keys on both ciel and kirei?
nasu connected his worlds in his own universe by universal magic/magic laws and items that apply to all his creations
so it would be something of a huge surprise if zelretch wasnt even mentioned in fate/stay night heaven's feel
let alone that the basis of the 6 great sorceries is mentioned and a fact in all of the nasuverse worlds
lets look at the the organizations of the nasuverse
respectfully the church and the mages associations
both exist as the same yet parallel organized entities
like beyond zeltretch and the kaleidoscope sword wielded by tohsaka
didnt anyone notice the standard of the black keys on both ciel and kirei?
nasu connected his worlds in his own universe by universal magic/magic laws and items that apply to all his creations
so it would be something of a huge surprise if zelretch wasnt even mentioned in fate/stay night heaven's feel
let alone that the basis of the 6 great sorceries is mentioned and a fact in all of the nasuverse worlds