Buy DVDs and books, damn it!
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Though I do agree that more people need to buy anime DVD it is true that a large majority of people that watch anime are either going to be too young/part-time job so can not afford to buy a lot of DVD or are student's but I do also agree that if you are really loving a show then you should go and buy the DVD but if you a serious anime addict :) then going out and buying ever show you watch may not be possible for must people. For me there is not a chance I could buy the DVD for every anime I've watched though I do have four or five box sets of series I really loved I would much rather support all of the companies but unfortunately I can't :(
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darkblack wrote...
Why buy them at all! The revolution is beginning for everything to be free. Anime should be free! Viva la anime revolucion.
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Ichiban16 wrote...
darkblack wrote...
Why buy them at all! The revolution is beginning for everything to be free. Anime should be free! Viva la anime revolucion.Ignorant elitist fuck.
Yeah, just buy them all, like the mindless consumer that we are...
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darkblack wrote...
Ignorant elitist fuck. Yeah, just buy them all, like the mindless consumer that we are...Ignorant? I guess he could be called ignorant for one of two reasons, a) he dared disagree with you - in which case your reply says much more about you than it ever will about him, or b) because he thinks your take is 'lame'. In that case he is just plain right. Why should anime (or any other product/service) be free? Because you are too cheap to pay for it? So you'd rather steal from the artists and companies who spend considerable amounts of time and money to produce the product. By your logic, how long do you think anything, anime for instance, would still be made if no one was paid for it? The communist utopian societies of the past didn't put things like anime or entertainment high on their priorities list.
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a good example is Hyakka RyÅran Samurai Girls is going to be in Blu-ray and be brought ought by sentai for $50.00 im buying that,
funimation although i dont really care for them... Freezing i will buy
same deal for panty and stocking...
b gata h kei also got picked up by funi...
funimation although i dont really care for them... Freezing i will buy
same deal for panty and stocking...
b gata h kei also got picked up by funi...
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wcsinn wrote...
darkblack wrote...
Ignorant elitist fuck. Yeah, just buy them all, like the mindless consumer that we are...Ignorant? I guess he could be called ignorant for one of two reasons, a) he dared disagree with you - in which case your reply says much more about you than it ever will about him, or b) because he thinks your take is 'lame'. In that case he is just plain right. Why should anime (or any other product/service) be free? Because you are too cheap to pay for it? So you'd rather steal from the artists and companies who spend considerable amounts of time and money to produce the product. By your logic, how long do you think anything, anime for instance, would still be made if no one was paid for it? The communist utopian societies of the past didn't put things like anime or entertainment high on their priorities list.
You're talking about money, which is new and humanly constructed. Art has existed waaaay before monetary systems started. For the most part, what drives artists to create are their own instinctive drive.
For most of the writers, painters, musicians, and scientists I've read, they create for the sake of creating. Rarely do people artists create as a means to achieve the end of money. For now, artists rely on money to be able to buy food. They can't create if they die.
And I agree, communists states despised arts. I can give thousands of examples.
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darkblack wrote...
You're talking about money, which is new and humanly constructed. Art has existed waaaay before monetary systems started. For the most part, what drives artists to create are their own instinctive drive.Money is not new, money (or it's equivalent) is almost as old as art itself. Money is simply a way to replace the barter system which civilization quickly out grew. It has existed since the beginning of civilization. Man-made, yes - but so what - art is man-made - we don't need either to survive, simply to enrich our existence.
darkblack wrote...
For most of the writers, painters, musicians, and scientists I've read, they create for the sake of creating. Rarely do people artists create as a means to achieve the end of money. For now, artists rely on money to be able to buy food. They can't create if they die.A very simplistic view. At some level there is a great deal of truth in the statement, but it certainly is not that simple. First, in most cases where this is true, we are talking about individual artists who do NOT derive their living through their creations. Those who wish to make even a meager living from their craft quickly learn that the realities of every day life quickly close in on them. A friend (a oil painter) refuses to sell out (as she puts it) and has to work to pay her basic bills - in fact she often resorts to welfare to survive. Another friend is a successful water colorist, who has found a comfortable balance between painting what sells and what soothes his soul. Both sell btw, it is just thta the water colorist sells much more.
Second, in most cases we are also talking about artist who work in affordable mediums. Want to sculpt in marble, you better be selling a lot of sculptures or have a patron - either way money is definitely involved.
Third, in none of these cases we are discussing includes art that requires collaborative efforts to produce and a very expensive medium to work in. I used to work next door to Pixar, you don't want to know what their computer and server farm alone costs. Anime is not the creation of an individual (even original anime - as opposed to works derived from manga, which adds another layer). It requires a large group of people in almost all cases, and expensive equipment to produce. If we're talking about cases where the artists creates for creations sake alone, there would be no anime, no animated feature films at all, because individuals simply can not produce them.
Which returns us to our original point, anime will never be produced by individuals for arts sake alone, it's simply not practical. So how exactly does your revolution hold up in the cold hard light of reality?
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wcsinn wrote...
darkblack wrote...
[size=10]You're talking about money, which is new and humanly constructed. Art has existed waaaay before monetary systems started. For the most part, what drives artists to create are their own instinctive drive.[size=11]
Money is not new, money (or it's equivalent) is almost as old as art itself. Money is simply a way to replace the barter system which civilization quickly out grew. It has existed since the beginning of civilization. Man-made, yes - but so what - art is man-made - we don't need either to survive, simply to enrich our existence.
darkblack wrote...
[size=10]For most of the writers, painters, musicians, and scientists I've read, they create for the sake of creating. Rarely do people artists create as a means to achieve the end of money. For now, artists rely on money to be able to buy food. They can't create if they die.[size=11]
A very simplistic view. At some level there is a great deal of truth in the statement, but it certainly is not that simple. First, in most cases where this is true, we are talking about individual artists who do NOT derive their living through their creations. Those who wish to make even a meager living from their craft quickly learn that the realities of every day life quickly close in on them. A friend (a oil painter) refuses to sell out (as she puts it) and has to work to pay her basic bills - in fact she often resorts to welfare to survive. Another friend is a successful water colorist, who has found a comfortable balance between painting what sells and what soothes his soul. Both sell btw, it is just thta the water colorist sells much more.
Second, in most cases we are also talking about artist who work in affordable mediums. Want to sculpt in marble, you better be selling a lot of sculptures or have a patron - either way money is definitely involved.
Third, in none of these cases we are discussing includes art that requires collaborative efforts to produce and a very expensive medium to work in. I used to work next door to Pixar, you don't want to know what their computer and server farm alone costs. Anime is not the creation of an individual (even original anime - as opposed to works derived from manga, which adds another layer). It requires a large group of people in almost all cases, and expensive equipment to produce. If we're talking about cases where the artists creates for creations sake alone, there would be no anime, no animated feature films at all, because individuals simply can not produce them.
Which returns us to our original point, anime will never be produced by individuals for arts sake alone, it's simply not practical. So how exactly does your revolution hold up in the cold hard light of reality?
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Response:
1st: I agree with the sentiment.
2nd (and some of the stuff in the beginning): Money is involved, but that shouldn't be the case. If you look at it, money is truly a disgusting leech upon the arts. Have you noticed that their value system (for art) is totally detached from the art's aesthetic? In the monetary system, the art's value is dependent on how they sell and not their intrinsic value. And from what we know now, selling is just a matter of public relations, marketing, and geographical distribution(Do exceptions exist? They always do). With this system, the art that are produced are the ones that only a handful of people pick; which truly limits the genius of artists (and collective artists). And for a fact, the monetary system is new and entirely different from the barter system we have.
Third: History from painting (used as a medium to preserve family or personal images) digital cameras.
Yes, I am using the progress argument. We will have the same for Anime.
And btw,
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2011/02/03/japan-piracy-increases-anime-sales/
It;s sad that people downvoted me as if I AM THE ENEMY.
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I feel bad everytime I torrent Anime...I really do want to buy but my parents are paranoid and are always being an asshole for it.
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I buy Anime and Manga if I like it and its worth it but a lot of stuff I really want isnt available for me to buy which makes me RAEG a little bit. (How come it seems that the French get everything cool?)
I used to import a lot of stuff from America but HM Customs and Revenue and Royal Mail are RAPING peoples wallets with their stealth import charges so I dont do that anymore. (No point in buying a $40 item and then discovering to get it released from parcel prison you'll have to bail its ass out for $30... Its not worth it) :(
I used to import a lot of stuff from America but HM Customs and Revenue and Royal Mail are RAPING peoples wallets with their stealth import charges so I dont do that anymore. (No point in buying a $40 item and then discovering to get it released from parcel prison you'll have to bail its ass out for $30... Its not worth it) :(
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darkblack wrote...
It;s sad that people downvoted me as if I AM THE ENEMY.Frankly, you defense of your position is pretty weak, and to many you appear to simply want everything for free. Despite how you think art should work, when you pirate anime (or anything else) you are stealing, and frankly can be prosecuted. Some countries (Japan in particular)have begun to take anime pirating seriously and several arrests have been made lately for uploading anime to file sharing sites. So yes, to many you are the enemy.
Your personal attacks, swearing and insults to those expressing disagreement didn't help any either.
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let me ask you this? it only applies in america but still, who in there right mind, would go out and pay for a blu ray that cost 50 dollers, of an anime, that is good, but the dubbing makes you want to take a belt sander to your ears. as most american anime does. when you can get it for free, in just as high quality with subbtitles. its a hell of a lot better then paying money for polished shit. yes there are a few good american dubs out there but they are few and far between. if you want us to start buying it, bring up your own goddamn standards and stop forcing your current ones on us. as it is i have over a a tb worth of pirated anime, half of that i went back and bought the dvds to suport the companys i like, but the dubbing on so many other, *k-on i mean you* was so incredibly bad it mad me want to take MORE money AWAY from said company. i see that as 50 percent of the problem, the other 50 percent is that half the viewing populace for many of thease shows are to young to bother paying. they either dont have jobs or just plain dont care.
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trekki859 wrote...
let me ask you this? it only applies in america but still, who in there right mind, would go out and pay for a blu ray that cost 50 dollers, of an anime, that is good, but the dubbing makes you want to take a belt sander to your ears. as most american anime does. when you can get it for free, in just as high quality with subbtitles. its a hell of a lot better then paying money for polished shit. yes there are a few good american dubs out there but they are few and far between. if you want us to start buying it, bring up your own goddamn standards and stop forcing your current ones on us. as it is i have over a a tb worth of pirated anime, half of that i went back and bought the dvds to suport the companys i like, but the dubbing on so many other, *k-on i mean you* was so incredibly bad it mad me want to take MORE money AWAY from said company. i see that as 50 percent of the problem, the other 50 percent is that half the viewing populace for many of thease shows are to young to bother paying. they either dont have jobs or just plain dont care. You just did nothing but scream a negative opinion without making a single point to the thread.
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yea i do that a lot when i rant. it comes down to this.
low quality dubs.
free subs easily available.
most of the viewing audience isn't on a steady income
dubbing company's keep jacking up the price to try and compensate for loss of sales.
thats the way i see it anyway.
low quality dubs.
free subs easily available.
most of the viewing audience isn't on a steady income
dubbing company's keep jacking up the price to try and compensate for loss of sales.
thats the way i see it anyway.
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trekki859 wrote...
yea i do that a lot when i rant. it comes down to this. low quality dubs.
free subs easily available.
most of the viewing audience isn't on a steady income
dubbing company's keep jacking up the price to try and compensate for loss of sales.
thats the way i see it anyway.
I dont really care for dubs anyway because they're always gonna be done in a terrible American accent anyway! (Even if the characters supposed to be English or German... Mock English = Yuck)
Going off topic here but its exactly like when they make films based on 'Asian' material... Would they get asian actors/actresses to play the roles? No, of course not! If you want a German accent spoken in English just get a German voice actor who knows English... Not some yank winging it relying on stereotypes! (Get Arnold Schwarzenegger to do Hetalia!!) :D
As for the subs on licenced material, It is of a much greater standard than fansubs. The entire quality is better so I think that people should invest in the official release. (But if you're broke as a joke and simply CANT pay then fansubs are the way to go... Problem is people abuse it too much and dont put in a dime to the production process of the Anime that they claim they love then bitch and moan about the quality of dubbing on the series ETC. Better investment equals better Anime for all!)
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Akaoni21 wrote...
trekki859 wrote...
yea i do that a lot when i rant. it comes down to this. low quality dubs.
free subs easily available.
most of the viewing audience isn't on a steady income
dubbing company's keep jacking up the price to try and compensate for loss of sales.
thats the way i see it anyway.
I dont really care for dubs anyway because they're always gonna be done in a terrible American accent anyway! (Even if the characters supposed to be English or German... Mock English = Yuck)
Going off topic here but its exactly like when they make films based on 'Asian' material... Would they get asian actors/actresses to play the roles? No, of course not! If you want a German accent spoken in English just get a German voice actor who knows English... Not some yank winging it relying on stereotypes! (Get Arnold Schwarzenegger to do Hetalia!!) :D
As for the subs on licenced material, It is of a much greater standard than fansubs. The entire quality is better so I think that people should invest in the official release. (But if you're broke as a joke and simply CANT pay then fansubs are the way to go... Problem is people abuse it too much and dont put in a dime to the production process of the Anime that they claim they love then bitch and moan about the quality of dubbing on the series ETC. Better investment equals better Anime for all!)
thats what i mean about the low quality though, if they want them to sell they have to put in the efoort, ie getting the proper voice actors of the proper ethnicity
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trekki859 wrote...
thats what i mean about the low quality though, if they want them to sell they have to put in the efoort, ie getting the proper voice actors of the proper ethnicity Well maybe they're stuck in a catch 22!
Maybe they think that having a German doing a German accent will effect sales in the USA? Or maybe its because they're Japs and they dont realise just how crucial having the correct accent is? (They probably think that any Gaijin will do)
I remember some yanks in London talking about Eastenders (A soap opera here in the UK) and they couldnt understand what people were saying because the characters were "Speaking too fast". (WTF)
Shit~ I can understand every American accent and basically every other person in the World who speaks English to a high enough standard so whats the deal?
They probably exclusively use American voice actors simply to pander to American Anime fans who wont be able to understand 'difficult accents'.
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man. its a LOT more simple then that in a saaad saaad way. why the lack of good voice actors with the correct accents? its CHEAPER to hire local ones who cant even express the proper emotion, look at the world were in, sorry to say but tahts all that anyone cares about is money, and until the company get bitch slapped in the face so to speak there gonna keep on doing that. its disgusting yes but its the way it is. its up to us the fans to try and change it.
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I like buying anime the main problem for me isn't really the price though the price will greatly effect whether or not I buy it.
I don't get starting prices at £50 when it will be for sale eventually for £20 but if they had a starting price at £35 I would of bought it then if I was dying to get it. I normally go by this when I buy anime about £15 for a 13 episode series, £25 for a 26 episode series, £35 for a 26+ episode series.
The biggest problem for me is what anime is being sold. There is more anime that I want to buy that is not being sold in the UK than that is of coarse that means I'm going to watch it of the internet some how but it doesn't mean I won't buy it when they eventually do sell it. Most if not all of the anime I've bought has to do with the fact I watched it online and liked it if I didn't how would I figure out what I would like to buy.
I also like buying things in store and there is a lack of Anime and manga being sold in stores for DVDs I don't mind so much though I like to use UK stores only but I'd prefer to buy manga from a book store. I recently moved from a small town to a big city and thought the stores would be better equipped but I was wrong they where worse.
I like watching it dubbed I don't mind the accents (though I don't really notice), the thing that I dislike about people saying the voice acting is bad is could they tell if the voice acting was bad in Japanese if it was bad. The thing I don't like about watching some thing in Japanese is the fact I can't always tell who is saying what and because I don't speak Japanese I can't pick up on most of the emotions in the voice. I don't hate subs it's all a preference thing of giving the choice which one do I prefer to best enjoy the anime.
I don't get starting prices at £50 when it will be for sale eventually for £20 but if they had a starting price at £35 I would of bought it then if I was dying to get it. I normally go by this when I buy anime about £15 for a 13 episode series, £25 for a 26 episode series, £35 for a 26+ episode series.
The biggest problem for me is what anime is being sold. There is more anime that I want to buy that is not being sold in the UK than that is of coarse that means I'm going to watch it of the internet some how but it doesn't mean I won't buy it when they eventually do sell it. Most if not all of the anime I've bought has to do with the fact I watched it online and liked it if I didn't how would I figure out what I would like to buy.
I also like buying things in store and there is a lack of Anime and manga being sold in stores for DVDs I don't mind so much though I like to use UK stores only but I'd prefer to buy manga from a book store. I recently moved from a small town to a big city and thought the stores would be better equipped but I was wrong they where worse.
I like watching it dubbed I don't mind the accents (though I don't really notice), the thing that I dislike about people saying the voice acting is bad is could they tell if the voice acting was bad in Japanese if it was bad. The thing I don't like about watching some thing in Japanese is the fact I can't always tell who is saying what and because I don't speak Japanese I can't pick up on most of the emotions in the voice. I don't hate subs it's all a preference thing of giving the choice which one do I prefer to best enjoy the anime.
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I buy my manga since I do not like reading on a screen, there's just something about the feel of a book in one's hands and the paper between one's fingers, not to mention staring at a screen for long periods of time irritates my eyes. I buy anime that I've seen trailers of in official dubs so I know if the voice acting will be terrible or not. Recently though, I've been watching a few dubs on Netflix, some are pretty good.