DURARARA!!
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neko-chan wrote...
You did plenty.Correction! You did plenty. I didn't and won't ever bother repeating myself as you did. lol
Okay, let's try doing this a bit seriously (since you clearly missed the whole point of my playful disposition earlier).
neko-chan wrote...
I don't think any of the romances are good in this series (Not to say I don't like durarara.Not in the least surprising considering DRRR!! is, in fact, not a romantic series to begin with.
You know why DRRR!! appears to be a complicated series when the truth is, it is that simple to understand---because of the average viewers' tendency to believe every single thing that they see, easily misled by such things as 'romances', they can't focus on the bigger picture.
Not everything is what it seems and that applies to like... everything?
Anyway-
People are naturally weak beings and they cling to one another, throwing such words as love around, to hide that fact. Kinship? Friendship? Battleship? Any sort of (relation)ship will do so long as it serves one's purpose. --This, for me, is good enough basis for most about everything that the series is trying to convey.
So-
Getting back to what you were saying: Celty, for a Dullahan, is quite the glass-being, isn't she? Shinra may have just happen to be this guy who she's been with for the longest of time and in return knows and understands her best, but her being intimate with him, though arguably romantic, is just to be expected no less. There's just that feeling of security I'm sure that even you are looking for a(n ideal) partner.
As for Shinra, you seem to be discounting the fact that he is a man of medicine and science. He wouldn't be as shallow as a mere 'childhood fascination'; there must be an underlying, deeper reason as to why he's keeping Celty in check. And now that Shingen is back, it is only a matter of time before that is revealed to us. Though whatever that may be, I do believe that his love for Celty is anything but a motive.
I think this song best describes Shinra for me.
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neko-chan wrote...
I don't have anything against his character but I am annoyed at the fact that he has Celty's affection. That annoyance has started to boil into a strong dislike.That really doesn't make a lot of sense to me but the truth of the matter is, I couldn't care less either way.
Now, this is me doing plenty.
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hermitVI wrote...
neko-chan wrote...
I don't think any of the romances are good in this series (Not to say I don't like durarara.Not in the least surprising considering DRRR!! is, in fact, not a romantic series to begin with.
You know why DRRR!! appears to be a complicated series when the truth is, it is that simple to understand---because of the average viewers' tendency to believe every single thing that they see, easily misled by such things as 'romances', they can't focus on the bigger picture.
Not everything is what it seems and that applies to like... everything?
Okay I read this over again and so what you are saying is that it isn't a complicated series, it is actually simple. However, if you pay attention to things like romances - or anything specific to character I suppose - you will miss the larger picture of the story?
Paying attention to details will help you better understand the larger picture and overall story though. And if romances that occur in the story don't contribute to the "overall" picture then they should just be left out. But since it is included, and since a larger portion of time is dedicated to these romances, they should be paid attetnion to since they are just as important as any other aspect of the story. You know, if you want to get the "bigger picture".
hermitVI wrote...
As for Shinra, you seem to be discounting the fact that he is a man of medicine and science. He wouldn't be as shallow as a mere 'childhood fascination'; there must be an underlying, deeper reason as to why he's keeping Celty in check. And now that Shingen is back, it is only a matter of time before that is revealed to us. Though whatever that may be, I do believe that his love for Celty is anything but a motive.
I don't think so. I think it is exactly how it seems. I'll be really suprised if there was some reason other then just a fascination with Celty that made Shinra love her.
neko-chan wrote...
I don't have anything against his character but I am annoyed at the fact that he has Celty's affection. That annoyance has started to boil into a strong dislike.hermitVI wrote...
That really doesn't make a lot of sense to me but the truth of the matter is, I couldn't care less either way.I simply think they are a bad match. If a couple is a bad match in an anime, you either discount the couple and not care about them, or you usually dislike the character who you think is most detrimental to the relationship.
Example is Karasuma from School Rumble. EVERYONE hates him at the end of the series becuase Tenma liked him when she should of liked Harima (unless you were a fan of one of the other girls). Karasuma wasn't a bad guy, and there wasn't anything about him to dislike, but because he took the attention of one of the popular character and ruined what everyone else was hoping for, he became hated.
The samething applies towards Shinra.
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It took you so long to respond only to further prove my point? Lol, I’m beginning to like you neko, I really do.
You see, this is why I said people mixes things up silly. You quoted me out of context, dismissing the first and foremost point of my entire post:
What I meant there(the part of my last post which you quoted) was you’re mistaken if you think that every aspect comprising a series, such as romance for that matter, holds relevance to the larger frame of a story when they absolutely do not. That’s why †˜romance’ is often times only considered to be a †˜sub-genre/plot’—having complete independence from the main storyline, meaning to say that it does not necessarily affect nor entirely navigate the series into a different course than intended. It's like no matter how many the fishes that swim in a river, the river shall always and naturally flow into the sea.
I never said you shouldn’t pay any attention to it, I only suggested to you not to pay too much attention to it. Don’t be misled that its importance is any more significant than mere character buildup. Cause if so, you might lose sight of the bigger picture.
Alright, let me put it in a way you’d easily understand. You know what a photo mosaic is—a †˜picture’ made of lots of smaller, put-together pictures; much like a puzzle. Right! Now, imagine every scene in DRRR!! in form of photographs, all used/arranged to form a †˜bigger picture’ which would best describe the series as a whole. Guess what? You’re right! They(aspects such as romance) do make up the †˜bigger picture’ ONLY they don’t make up the foreground (centerpiece image), which is undoubtedly the highlight of the whole picture; all they were used for was to fill-up the background.
And as to why some viewers, such as your self, actually see it that way is beyond me. I guess you’ve got your romantic-anime exposure to blame since I’ve clearly got no issue with whatsoever regarding DRRR!! thanks to my very diverse taste in anime.
Did Shinra become a doctor for Celty? If so, why isn’t he using the knowledge he accumulated to satisfy his fascination of her? And if he’s only/that fascinated by her (not being human) and is not really in love/delusional or is simply using love to manipulate her, would he have contemplated on telling her what he knew? Why didn’t he just tell her sooner? Why tell her even?
If you want me to elaborate on these contradictions, all you have to do is ask.
What in the "I couldn’t care less" didn’t make sense to you? But anyways, who do you suggest would match Celty the best, then? Simon?
The samething applies towards Shinra.
SO BASICALLY, IF A CHARACTER IS AN ODDBALL, HE IS GOING TO BE HATED? Seriously now, you’re saying that if you expected something out of a character and that expectation fell through, it is suddenly the character’s fault? Really now, this is probably the most absurd reason to hate on a character I’ve ever heard.
Nevertheless, great example. I don’t like Harima, nor Tenma, nor Karusama—more like I don’t really care about them at all. I suppose I can understand what you’re saying it's just that I can’t empathize with what you’re feeling. I’m just not one to hate characters based on what they chose to do or not to.
On a side note, Honey and Clover is one romantic series I could remember wherein no soul was ever hated in the process of my watching the anime. I’ll refrain from going through the excruciating detail. (all you need to know is: Takemoto x Hagu / Mayama x Rika / Morita x Ayu)
EPICsode 14: Shingen, Shingen, and more Shingen!! Hands down, the master of manipulation! It simply takes one to know one I guess, though I'm not quite there yet at that level of how awesome he is.
The only flip side of the episode is that the wedding's off. Bummer, and just right after Shingen has given his approval.
neko-chan wrote...
Paying attention to details will help you better understand the larger picture and overall story though. And if romances that occur in the story don't contribute to the "overall" picture then they should just be left out. But since it is included, and since a larger portion of time is dedicated to these romances, they should be paid attetnion to since they are just as important as any other aspect of the story. You know, if you want to get the "bigger picture".You see, this is why I said people mixes things up silly. You quoted me out of context, dismissing the first and foremost point of my entire post:
hermit wrote...
DRRR!! is, in fact, not a romantic series to begin with.What I meant there(the part of my last post which you quoted) was you’re mistaken if you think that every aspect comprising a series, such as romance for that matter, holds relevance to the larger frame of a story when they absolutely do not. That’s why †˜romance’ is often times only considered to be a †˜sub-genre/plot’—having complete independence from the main storyline, meaning to say that it does not necessarily affect nor entirely navigate the series into a different course than intended. It's like no matter how many the fishes that swim in a river, the river shall always and naturally flow into the sea.
I never said you shouldn’t pay any attention to it, I only suggested to you not to pay too much attention to it. Don’t be misled that its importance is any more significant than mere character buildup. Cause if so, you might lose sight of the bigger picture.
Alright, let me put it in a way you’d easily understand. You know what a photo mosaic is—a †˜picture’ made of lots of smaller, put-together pictures; much like a puzzle. Right! Now, imagine every scene in DRRR!! in form of photographs, all used/arranged to form a †˜bigger picture’ which would best describe the series as a whole. Guess what? You’re right! They(aspects such as romance) do make up the †˜bigger picture’ ONLY they don’t make up the foreground (centerpiece image), which is undoubtedly the highlight of the whole picture; all they were used for was to fill-up the background.
And as to why some viewers, such as your self, actually see it that way is beyond me. I guess you’ve got your romantic-anime exposure to blame since I’ve clearly got no issue with whatsoever regarding DRRR!! thanks to my very diverse taste in anime.
neko-chan wrote...
I don't think so. I think it is exactly how it seems. I'll be really suprised if there was some reason other then just a fascination with Celty that made Shinra love her.Did Shinra become a doctor for Celty? If so, why isn’t he using the knowledge he accumulated to satisfy his fascination of her? And if he’s only/that fascinated by her (not being human) and is not really in love/delusional or is simply using love to manipulate her, would he have contemplated on telling her what he knew? Why didn’t he just tell her sooner? Why tell her even?
If you want me to elaborate on these contradictions, all you have to do is ask.
neko-chan wrote...
I simply think they are a bad match. If a couple is a bad match in an anime, you either discount the couple and not care about them, or you usually dislike the character who you think is most detrimental to the relationship. What in the "I couldn’t care less" didn’t make sense to you? But anyways, who do you suggest would match Celty the best, then? Simon?
neko-chan wrote...
Example is Karasuma from School Rumble. EVERYONE hates him at the end of the series becuase Tenma liked him when she should of liked Harima (unless you were a fan of one of the other girls). Karasuma wasn't a bad guy, and there wasn't anything about him to dislike, but because he took the attention of one of the popular character and ruined what everyone else was hoping for, he became hated. The samething applies towards Shinra.
SO BASICALLY, IF A CHARACTER IS AN ODDBALL, HE IS GOING TO BE HATED? Seriously now, you’re saying that if you expected something out of a character and that expectation fell through, it is suddenly the character’s fault? Really now, this is probably the most absurd reason to hate on a character I’ve ever heard.
Nevertheless, great example. I don’t like Harima, nor Tenma, nor Karusama—more like I don’t really care about them at all. I suppose I can understand what you’re saying it's just that I can’t empathize with what you’re feeling. I’m just not one to hate characters based on what they chose to do or not to.
On a side note, Honey and Clover is one romantic series I could remember wherein no soul was ever hated in the process of my watching the anime. I’ll refrain from going through the excruciating detail. (all you need to know is: Takemoto x Hagu / Mayama x Rika / Morita x Ayu)
EPICsode 14: Shingen, Shingen, and more Shingen!! Hands down, the master of manipulation! It simply takes one to know one I guess, though I'm not quite there yet at that level of how awesome he is.
The only flip side of the episode is that the wedding's off. Bummer, and just right after Shingen has given his approval.
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Answering you in no particular order:
Yeah, Simon would of been an improvement. But how about Shizuo? Actually, how about nobody? That would of been best.
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Whether Shinra's love in genuine is something that we'll just have to see. I can see it happening either way, but for now I do think he has a genuine facination for her.
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I also understand your mosaic analogy however, I don't think you are giving enough credit to the romantic relationships in the story. They aren't just sub plots, they are having a strong impact on the main conflict brewing.
And no, not only odd balls. Most series have camps of people who root for certain characters to end up in relationships while rooting against other characters for interfering or various other reasons. Using my School Rumble example, many people hate Tenma because of her obliviousness to Harima's affection. I'm sure that they don't hate her for much more than that, but the indifference they once had for her now turns to strong dislike. And yes, Honey and Clover was good, but I don't remember the pairings going down like you said...
In the end, I understand Shinra's character in the Light novels and manga, as it shows his relationship with the other characters. However, in the anime, he might as well not even be in it. He is simply Celty's boyfriend and a gateway to introduce Shingen.
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Shingen reminds me a lot of of Tobi from naruto. O.o
From the manga, I can tell he is going to be one of the more entertaining characters.
Yeah, Simon would of been an improvement. But how about Shizuo? Actually, how about nobody? That would of been best.
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Whether Shinra's love in genuine is something that we'll just have to see. I can see it happening either way, but for now I do think he has a genuine facination for her.
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I also understand your mosaic analogy however, I don't think you are giving enough credit to the romantic relationships in the story. They aren't just sub plots, they are having a strong impact on the main conflict brewing.
And no, not only odd balls. Most series have camps of people who root for certain characters to end up in relationships while rooting against other characters for interfering or various other reasons. Using my School Rumble example, many people hate Tenma because of her obliviousness to Harima's affection. I'm sure that they don't hate her for much more than that, but the indifference they once had for her now turns to strong dislike. And yes, Honey and Clover was good, but I don't remember the pairings going down like you said...
In the end, I understand Shinra's character in the Light novels and manga, as it shows his relationship with the other characters. However, in the anime, he might as well not even be in it. He is simply Celty's boyfriend and a gateway to introduce Shingen.
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Shingen reminds me a lot of of Tobi from naruto. O.o
From the manga, I can tell he is going to be one of the more entertaining characters.
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How’s 3 days of no contention made you feel? You should be satisfied enough with the idea that I may have finally considered it your way--well, unfortunately, that is not the case. At any rate, I do hope you're enjoying this cause I'm not just about to give up on you. (I know you can do it--the right thing.) lol
Are you sure your posts are not, in any way, influenced by (having read) the light novel or the manga? You seem to be confusing the three together as one when, the last time I checked, we’re supposedly only discussing the anime here. Did it not occur to you that maybe, that’s why no matter how much you talk about the significance of romance in this series or the insignificance of Shinra for that matter, I’m just not seeing what you’re seeing because what you're seeing is not in the anime, and that I’ve read neither the manga nor the light novel?
You're making it sound like I'm overlooking the "romantic relationships" which you believe to have --as directly quoted-- "a strong impact on the main conflict brewing" when there is no other actual "romantic relationship" that currently exists in the anime aside from Celty and Shinra, except perhaps for those two fools in love (Seiji and Mika).
*sigh* Love and romance truly are two of the most overly abused terms in relation to anime.
I knew from just one good look at that face or mask of his rather that he's gonna be one of the most intriguing and memorable characters in the anime.
I never said Honey and Clover was good, or did I? Anyway, I didn't mention it to prove how good or bad of an anime it was. I simply brought it up to give an example of my own, that even though those pairings didn’t all go exactly as I had wanted, I never hated them characters nor the series. And FYI, Mayama & Rika "went down" quite literally and nicely. :wink:
In addition, I was implying that I’ll go with a more realistic and mature romantic series over school †˜crushes/infatuations’ or even DRRR!!’s on any given day--if ever I really wanted to watch something that romantic... something like AUB which I obviously and intentionally made a connection by mentioning H&C. (Oh, who am I kidding? Nobody is capable of reading through my actions/words. lol)
So if there's nothing more, I'd be watching episode 15 now and get back to my personal case study on the possibilities of romance between Earthlings and Venusians.
And neko, I appreciate the chatter. As (I would like to think) you've noticed, not so many are capable of striking up a conversation with me. So... I sure would love to do this again with you sometime, preferably some-topic else, lol.
PS: Hitting-on you? Who, me!? No, I'm not; not even trying.
Are you sure your posts are not, in any way, influenced by (having read) the light novel or the manga? You seem to be confusing the three together as one when, the last time I checked, we’re supposedly only discussing the anime here. Did it not occur to you that maybe, that’s why no matter how much you talk about the significance of romance in this series or the insignificance of Shinra for that matter, I’m just not seeing what you’re seeing because what you're seeing is not in the anime, and that I’ve read neither the manga nor the light novel?
You're making it sound like I'm overlooking the "romantic relationships" which you believe to have --as directly quoted-- "a strong impact on the main conflict brewing" when there is no other actual "romantic relationship" that currently exists in the anime aside from Celty and Shinra, except perhaps for those two fools in love (Seiji and Mika).
*sigh* Love and romance truly are two of the most overly abused terms in relation to anime.
neko-chan wrote...
From the manga, I can tell he is going to be one of the more entertaining characters.I knew from just one good look at that face or mask of his rather that he's gonna be one of the most intriguing and memorable characters in the anime.
neko-chan wrote...
Honey and Clover was good, but I don't remember the pairings going down like you said...I never said Honey and Clover was good, or did I? Anyway, I didn't mention it to prove how good or bad of an anime it was. I simply brought it up to give an example of my own, that even though those pairings didn’t all go exactly as I had wanted, I never hated them characters nor the series. And FYI, Mayama & Rika "went down" quite literally and nicely. :wink:
In addition, I was implying that I’ll go with a more realistic and mature romantic series over school †˜crushes/infatuations’ or even DRRR!!’s on any given day--if ever I really wanted to watch something that romantic... something like AUB which I obviously and intentionally made a connection by mentioning H&C. (Oh, who am I kidding? Nobody is capable of reading through my actions/words. lol)
So if there's nothing more, I'd be watching episode 15 now and get back to my personal case study on the possibilities of romance between Earthlings and Venusians.
And neko, I appreciate the chatter. As (I would like to think) you've noticed, not so many are capable of striking up a conversation with me. So... I sure would love to do this again with you sometime, preferably some-topic else, lol.
PS: Hitting-on you? Who, me!? No, I'm not; not even trying.
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If you want me to elaborate on these contradictions, all you have to do is ask.
it will most certainly help me so please do
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Hermit wrote...
You're making it sound like I'm overlooking the "romantic relationships" which you believe to have --as directly quoted-- "a strong impact on the main conflict brewing" when there is no other actual "romantic relationship" that currently exists in the anime aside from Celty and Shinra, except perhaps for those two fools in love (Seiji and Mika). You forgot Sonohara Anri and Ryūgamine Mikado. They've used plenty of screen time on the topic in the last few episodes. I feel you are looking ONLY at the overall picture but no savoring the small tidbits.
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Anyone notice the DARKER Than BLACK poster about a 1:50 in? It's an movie poster or advertisement in the background as the man is falling. Anyone able to tell what those other posters are (if they are indeed anything at all).
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neko-chan wrote...
Anyone notice the DARKER Than BLACK poster about a 1:50 in? hasn't it always been there in the past eps?
Anyone able to tell what those other posters are (if they are indeed anything at all).
the one beside dtb at the right i think is shizuo's brother's movie
the rest i just haven't seen them before so i don't know
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leunam wrote...
neko-chan wrote...
Anyone notice the DARKER Than BLACK poster about a 1:50 in? hasn't it always been there in the past eps?
Oh has it really? I never noticed...
At 16:35, shizo and celty on the bike together - that was hot. Someone should make a Gif of that.
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neko-chan wrote...
You forgot Sonohara Anri and Ryūgamine Mikado. They've used plenty of screen time on the topic in the last few episodes. I feel you are looking ONLY at the overall picture but no savoring the small tidbits.Oh I'm savoring them small tidbits from the peppers to the carrots, that's for sure.
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neko-chan wrote...
leunam wrote...
neko-chan wrote...
Anyone notice the DARKER Than BLACK poster about a 1:50 in? hasn't it always been there in the past eps?
Oh has it really? I never noticed...
That's because you never do, lol. (that's funny, admit it)
neko-chan wrote...
At 16:35, shizo and celty on the bike together - that was hot. Someone should make a Gif of that.I don't think Shinra is that of a jealous man... not like-- I am. Consider it DONE (when I'm done being jealous).
Anime referential posters (from left to right)
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leunam wrote...
If you want me to elaborate on these contradictions, all you have to do is ask.
it will most certainly help me so please do
This was supposedly for neko to ask but, whatever! Basically, this is just about my personal assumption/speculation on the reason behind Shinra's becoming a doctor and his 'true' fascination. Boring talk, really.
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hermitVI wrote...
leunam wrote...
If you want me to elaborate on these contradictions, all you have to do is ask.
it will most certainly help me so please do
This was supposedly for neko to ask but, whatever! Basically, this is just about my personal assumption/speculation on the reason behind Shinra's becoming a doctor and his 'true' fascination. Boring talk, really.
try me
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now i'm even more confused but i guess i'll just wait for the next ep to get my answers
and can anyone give me link to download the 2nd op and 2nd ending song??~
i been listening to this song for weeks now and is still addicted to it 8)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=FWWZZLK0
Ryuu-chan wrote...
and can anyone give me link to download the 2nd op and 2nd ending song??~
i been listening to this song for weeks now and is still addicted to it 8)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=FWWZZLK0