Life of the average anime to short?
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The newest series are all too short. Igk why are the making them short, maybe financial stuff, or maybe 'cause if the anime end up unpopular the don't lose too much cash. And hey, second seasons are plausible if the series were popular enugh. Cheer up. :D
edit : I'm sure that Sacred Blacksimth was incomplete. I'm hopind for season two.
edit : I'm sure that Sacred Blacksimth was incomplete. I'm hopind for season two.
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TheDarkStarAlchemist
Requests Moderator
I have yet to continue Kampfer and Yet to watch Blacksmith. JoeLuvAnime suggested Blacksmith to me.
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Sprite wrote...
Kampfer and Sacred Blacksmith all had WTF endings, I mean Sacred Blacksmith didnt even get to the main plot line yet and Kampfer is just..... just getting good.
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Sprite wrote...
Kampfer and Sacred Blacksmith all had WTF endings, I mean Sacred Blacksmith didnt even get to the main plot line yet and Kampfer is just..... just getting good.
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Kiss-Shot
Soba-Scans Staff
If Bakemonogatari doesn't get a season 2 i'll probably cry like a little girl..
But sometimes I prefer some shows stay short, it means we mostly get solid conclusions, instead of an open-ended conclusion where nothing is really tied up but promises a potential sequel.
But sometimes I prefer some shows stay short, it means we mostly get solid conclusions, instead of an open-ended conclusion where nothing is really tied up but promises a potential sequel.
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Sazabi wrote...
potential sequels suck, mainly due to them hardly ever arriving
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TheDarkStarAlchemist wrote...
Elfen Lied ended WAAY TOO SOON!yes I could've been so much better (Not to say I don't love it)
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I actually like the current average length for Anime series at 22-26 episodes. I would say my maximum is 50, like with Fullmetal Alchemist and Blood+. Any more than that and it becomes filer central (insert name of big Shonen Anime *HERE*)
Let me tell you something. The best writers and storytellers have a CLEAR idea in their heads what the beginning, climax, and the conclusion are from the start. They do this to keep a story from draging on too long, because inevitably the audience will loose intrest. For the most part because these unplanned parts have much weaker character development, and characters start acting out of character. And the much simpler fact that an unplanned story is going to be much weaker than a planned and thought out one. The skill I prize most in writers is the ability to END a story in timely manner, and to end it WELL, with all questions answered and loose ends tied up. That is why I think the current standard of 22-26 episodes is perfect, because it is very conducive to this kind of story planning.
If you can you tell your story in a 12-15 episode format (like Haruhi Suzumiya or Bakemonogatari) even better. My only problem is when you try to force too many events and story into too small a format (like Baccano. Seriously, SO much shit happens in just 13 episodes, it took me near half the series to know who was who, what their names are, what they want, etc. and by the time I learned it all, it was almost over! The way Baccano begins was no help at all either. It could have easily been 24-26 episodes).
Let me tell you something. The best writers and storytellers have a CLEAR idea in their heads what the beginning, climax, and the conclusion are from the start. They do this to keep a story from draging on too long, because inevitably the audience will loose intrest. For the most part because these unplanned parts have much weaker character development, and characters start acting out of character. And the much simpler fact that an unplanned story is going to be much weaker than a planned and thought out one. The skill I prize most in writers is the ability to END a story in timely manner, and to end it WELL, with all questions answered and loose ends tied up. That is why I think the current standard of 22-26 episodes is perfect, because it is very conducive to this kind of story planning.
If you can you tell your story in a 12-15 episode format (like Haruhi Suzumiya or Bakemonogatari) even better. My only problem is when you try to force too many events and story into too small a format (like Baccano. Seriously, SO much shit happens in just 13 episodes, it took me near half the series to know who was who, what their names are, what they want, etc. and by the time I learned it all, it was almost over! The way Baccano begins was no help at all either. It could have easily been 24-26 episodes).
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TheDarkStarAlchemist wrote...
Elfen Lied ended WAAY TOO SOON!^this! 100%
but yesh, i too have noticed most anime tend to end sooner than they should.
A few number of anime tend to end right before they get to the great climax thats in the Manga... "it pisses me off to no end!" but maybe its to get more people to buy the Manga instead of only watching the Anime version!???
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VillainousHanacha wrote...
I actually like the current average length for Anime series at 22-26 episodes. I would say my maximum is 50, like with Fullmetal Alchemist and Blood+. Any more than that and it becomes filer central (insert name of big Shonen Anime *HERE*)Let me tell you something. The best writers and storytellers have a CLEAR idea in their heads what the beginning, climax, and the conclusion are from the start. They do this to keep a story from draging on too long, because inevitably the audience will loose intrest. For the most part because these unplanned parts have much weaker character development, and characters start acting out of character. And the much simpler fact that an unplanned story is going to be much weaker than a planned and thought out one. The skill I prize most in writers is the ability to END a story in timely manner, and to end it WELL, with all questions answered and loose ends tied up. That is why I think the current standard of 22-26 episodes is perfect, because it is very conducive to this kind of story planning.
If you can you tell your story in a 12-15 episode format (like Haruhi Suzumiya or Bakemonogatari) even better.
Shonen animes are epics, so they are supposed to be long. They are stories within stories within an overal story. Some of the most famous pieces of literature are epics, such as the Epic of Gilgamesh. A story should be as long as it needs to be in order to tell the story of the characters involved.
Plus, not ever author sets out with a set idea for a story - actually few do. There are some who even find themselves along for the ride, not really knowing how the story is going to turn out. They let the characters take over, School Rumble being a fine example. The story writes itself.
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Nashrakh
Little White Butterflies Staff
razama wrote...
Shonen animes are epics, so they are supposed to be long. They are stories within stories within an overal story. Some of the most famous pieces of literature are epics, such as the Epic of Gilgamesh. A story should be as long as it needs to be in order to tell the story of the characters involved.
I just thought of the Ramayana, an Indian Epic... that shit is LONG...
But I think you can certainly overkill a series with introducing heaploads of new characters and story arcs... and fillers. That's what killed Bleach for me. As much as I love the setting, the overall story and the characters, the series has turned into some kind of monster...
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It is the law of anime that anything truly awesome cannot go past 2-3 seasons.
Slayers was a sneaky little bitch about this and instead of ending their anime after a season was done, they siimply added a word at the end of their title to make it sound like a spinoff series, BUT IT WASN'T! And they payed, by being finished after the third season, 4 movies, and an OVA. Nobody is above the Great Anime's Must Die law.
It's not palyer hating on good anime's mind you, no matter how good an anime is, if it's dragged on too long, it will get stale, it will start to suck, and it will let people down. All great things MUST end before they become meh. The first 12 eps in Bleach would have been fine, but now it's turned into this 200 something episode monster that will not ever be finished eating. Kenpachi is the only saving grace left on that show, and the creators are noticing this, as they gave him ample screen time in the latest Filler Arc, even having him duke it out with Byakuya, which pleased me sexually.
Slayers was a sneaky little bitch about this and instead of ending their anime after a season was done, they siimply added a word at the end of their title to make it sound like a spinoff series, BUT IT WASN'T! And they payed, by being finished after the third season, 4 movies, and an OVA. Nobody is above the Great Anime's Must Die law.
It's not palyer hating on good anime's mind you, no matter how good an anime is, if it's dragged on too long, it will get stale, it will start to suck, and it will let people down. All great things MUST end before they become meh. The first 12 eps in Bleach would have been fine, but now it's turned into this 200 something episode monster that will not ever be finished eating. Kenpachi is the only saving grace left on that show, and the creators are noticing this, as they gave him ample screen time in the latest Filler Arc, even having him duke it out with Byakuya, which pleased me sexually.
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I tend to start getting into an anime around episode 10 and can be a bit enouying if it stops at 13 just as it was getting good.
I would say I start to become a fan of it if it get's to 24 but because it ends I start to forget about it at some piont.
I can only think of 2 animes that I liked that ended with out me wanting more "Death Note" & "Full Metal Alchemist".
and any long running animes that I liked either ended when the story had more to tell or I just stopped watching.
I'd say a good episode amount would be 50-80 that way when it ends it hasn't been going for so long than you get bored of it but long enough that you start to want to rewatch it agian soon.
I would say I start to become a fan of it if it get's to 24 but because it ends I start to forget about it at some piont.
I can only think of 2 animes that I liked that ended with out me wanting more "Death Note" & "Full Metal Alchemist".
and any long running animes that I liked either ended when the story had more to tell or I just stopped watching.
I'd say a good episode amount would be 50-80 that way when it ends it hasn't been going for so long than you get bored of it but long enough that you start to want to rewatch it agian soon.
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I've noticed that most animes I like are short. There are a few explanations.
1. Coincidence
2. All good animes are short
3. The animes are good because they are short
I personally subscribe to #3 because it seems the most feasible. I pretty much detest all the 300+ episode anime. I like them at the start, but after about 50 episodes I get bored of it. Either I'm bored of the characters, the plot, or the quality just drops. Either that or it's an amalgam of those characteristics.
Any which way, the end result is that I just like my animes short.
Well, Golden Boy could have been longer. It's one of my favorite animes of all time.
Also the shortest one I've seen... curious...
1. Coincidence
2. All good animes are short
3. The animes are good because they are short
I personally subscribe to #3 because it seems the most feasible. I pretty much detest all the 300+ episode anime. I like them at the start, but after about 50 episodes I get bored of it. Either I'm bored of the characters, the plot, or the quality just drops. Either that or it's an amalgam of those characteristics.
Any which way, the end result is that I just like my animes short.
Well, Golden Boy could have been longer. It's one of my favorite animes of all time.
Also the shortest one I've seen... curious...
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I'm not sure what the consensus is but in my definition an anime is something produced with the intent of it being run on TV for a season at a time. Thus when you start talking anime they really have to plan each episode and decide what they will accomplish. If they notice that there is a noticeable gap somewhere they will throw in a beach episode or something that we would term "filler." If they notice there isn't enough time to get everything in they can do a number of things like squeezing everything together, cutting things out, or changing the story altogether. Obviously, stuff like this isn't something us viewers want and reduces the popularity (except for when the filler is actually good). An anime is usually only one season long because either the story itself is short or the TV station doesn't have confidence if it will attract viewers. Obviously if they notice a large amount of followers they may get a second season out of it but that is up to the producers of the show and is usually beyond the scope of what they initially planned.
OVAs, which some of you are probably referring, do not have these kind of problems as they are made primarily to be watched on DVD at your leisure. An anime, however, is usually contracted for a season of time with money, whereas an OVA isn't. Its a gamble where the money must be produced up-front before anything can begin. This is why most of the good stuff tends to be short.
The movie genre takes OVAs to the next level by usually starting off with a large amount of capital by reputable companies. Take for example my favorite line of movies called Kara no Kyoukai which is produced by the same people who brought us Fate/Stay Night and Tsukihime. They started off with a good amount of funding from those earlier accomplishments and produced a line of 7 high-quality movies with each movie helping fund the next. They didn't have to worry about funding and could devote themselves entirely to the work which they were making.
I'm not an expert on this or anything but this is just what I can only assume to be the reason. Also I have no idea if the anime has to buy the time slot and make money off the adds or if they get contracted out. Feel free to correct me on this.
TLDR: Money.
OVAs, which some of you are probably referring, do not have these kind of problems as they are made primarily to be watched on DVD at your leisure. An anime, however, is usually contracted for a season of time with money, whereas an OVA isn't. Its a gamble where the money must be produced up-front before anything can begin. This is why most of the good stuff tends to be short.
The movie genre takes OVAs to the next level by usually starting off with a large amount of capital by reputable companies. Take for example my favorite line of movies called Kara no Kyoukai which is produced by the same people who brought us Fate/Stay Night and Tsukihime. They started off with a good amount of funding from those earlier accomplishments and produced a line of 7 high-quality movies with each movie helping fund the next. They didn't have to worry about funding and could devote themselves entirely to the work which they were making.
I'm not an expert on this or anything but this is just what I can only assume to be the reason. Also I have no idea if the anime has to buy the time slot and make money off the adds or if they get contracted out. Feel free to correct me on this.
TLDR: Money.
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I like short anime. Long anime can start to seem cumbersome unless they have an AMAZING story. Plus, my attention span is shot after a few episodes in most series.
On the other hand, ongoing series like Bleach and One Piece need to have filler episodes. Manga come out with a chapter a week, and a chapter = 1/2 of an episode. Therefore, these long anime eventually start catching up to the manga, and filler episodes need to be put in so the manga can progress and the anime doesnt catch up to it.
On the other hand, ongoing series like Bleach and One Piece need to have filler episodes. Manga come out with a chapter a week, and a chapter = 1/2 of an episode. Therefore, these long anime eventually start catching up to the manga, and filler episodes need to be put in so the manga can progress and the anime doesnt catch up to it.
