Naruto or Bleach?

BAAWW you don't thinkBleach is teh awsum?!! Yo are BIAS!!! =(

Honestly, what can you expect of a mangaka that comes up with the story as he goes along...

Lol, and you know this based off assumption. Never said not liking Bleachmakes you bias, but not having a good reason is definately bias. You can't say it has no plot when it obviously does, and you can't say it makes things up as it goes because you don't know.

Ok, let's make that close-to-no plot with a pace drags like a snail in a wheelchair instead.

As a matter of fact i do, he himself stated it in an interview made by Shounen Jump.

Yay I require a source.

And even if that's true, it's all summing up rather nicely for being made up as it goes.

Also you can't say close-to-no plot either because that's not true either. And it doesn't drag on, at least all the Espada besides Yammy are dead. wah, it doesn't move fast enough for you, that doesn't mean anything.

I can get it, but later, i'll have to ask for it on Narutofan.

It is.

Lol no? Ever wondered why everyone laughs at Bleach? Plotholes?

I can say whatever i want, and my opinion is shared by the majority im afraid.

I think you're a bit too biased to made a sane judgement my friend~

If your opinion were shared by the majority, then Bleach wouldn't be as mainstream as it is.

And no people don't laugh at Bleach as much as you seem to think...perhaps on Fakku, but all my friends love it, as well as...well anyone I turn onto the series. You'd have to go ahead and point out where the plotholes are first, and if they're extremely minute almost unimportant things, my eyes might bleed.

I'm not being bias, I like Bleach, and have good reasons as to why...you don't like Bleach, and have no good reasons as to why.

People who've only read Bleach doesn't count.


No, on most forums with rational people i'd say.


Yeah im sure they're all as awesome as you are


I can get you one off the top of my head, the fact that Rukia got wtfpwnd by some random fodder-hollow when she was supposed to be a vice-captain, and later showed the durability and reaction time to keep up with an espada.


BAAW! You are wrong i am right! =(

Define that, do you mean people hwo have never reead another manga? I'm gonna go on a limb here and say Bleach isn't the only manga Bleach readers have read. It's not true for me, and I'm not near the anime nerd most others who bother reading manga are.



Thanks for admitting your bias in saying only irrational people like Bleach.


Yeah im sure they're all as awesome as you are [/quote]

Oh that's not just dickish at all. /sarcasm.



She wasn't a Vice Captain, she was a 5th seat. As far as being pwned by a fodder hollow, the fact is she was far more distracted by Ichigo at the time and got hit while she wasn't paying too much attention. And she was able to keep up with an Espada because she did a shitload of training with Orihime and her brother...and the fact that he was the weakest Espada.

Plothole filled.

Got anymore?



Lol now you're just being stupid.

Meaning the people who've only read shounen manga, although apparently the shounen competition has become a bit too rough for it these past few years looking at sales, and sales reviews.

Maybe Teclo should pull out his old Bleach pocket-review thingy from japan.


I didn't say that, i was merely suggesting that someone rational wouldn't put a masterpiece like Berserk on the same level as Bleach like someone else around here.


Plothole filled? Uhm...no?
She, with shikai and all, still should've been waaaaay above random generic hollow fodder-level in already mentioned reaction and durability for it to even touch her.

This is what happens when you make shit up as you go along.


I can give you a few more plot holes and inconsistencies before i need to go.

1. The time Tousen was watching Ichigo and co. run across the monitor in Hueco Mundo (i think it was HM) despite being blind.

2. Kenpachi always having Kendo but never using it on Ichigo, so he sits on the ground crying about wanting to be stronger. Besides the fact that he would have won if he used the Kendo he already had at that point.

3. Isshin got his ass kicked by the same fodder level-hollow as Rukia despite that it was later revealed that he's some kind of super-shinigami.

4. When Kubo & his team mixed up teh day or night of when ichigo's mom died, translators even made a deal of this.

5. Plenty of other bullshit, like Ichigo owning Ikkaku when the man could go Bankai with his shikai skill, should be way higher level then that.

6. Bragging about skill when having more reiatsu & "plot-kai" is what decides fights.





Need to go, maybe i'll come back later with that interview.

Bleach FTW!!

BWAH! Anyone who reads Shounen doesn't know what quality is!

I hate people like you, "Well I read the good stuff, you're just an idiot that follows what's popular." It's popular for a reason, it's good, get over it.


I didn't say that, i was merely suggesting that someone rational wouldn't put a masterpiece like Berserk on the same level as Bleach like someone else around here.

Oh right, I'm sorry, you're a Guts fanboy, of course you get offended if Bleach and Berserk are placed on the same level.

Poor guy.




Yup it is.



Ahem, it's been pretty much figured out that Rukia, while being able to throw some pretty strong ice shit around, isn't exactly durable. One good hit from damn near anything will gank her.


I can give you two more before i need to go.



He's been able to train his senses ofver the many many years one can live as a shinigami so that his blindness is almost nonexistent.



He explicitly stated how he never wants to use Kendo because he feels it's too strong. He'll only use it when he's sure he'll die if he doesn't, he didn't think he'd die fighting Ichigo.

There is only one plothole I can't fill, and that's how Aizen created the original Vizard. THAT I do not know.

Ok.


So he used his super-trained hears and nose to hear and smell the static from the monitor and was able to visualize what was going on in the screen from that?..


Or maybe Kubo just hadn't thought of Kenpachi having Kendo at that point when he wrote the manga?

Btw, i added a few more in my previous post, check 'em out.

it's popular cause its a stupidly simple story that you don't need to think about, clear cut bad guys, and a lot of generic, endless, back and forth power level struggles/shifts.

you said there's a plot b4, ya to stop/kill aizen, that's it, everything else is just filler to drag the series on (i would have liked it more if it stopped b4 they got to the death god world around ep 25)
as for filler i mean story that doesn't effect the main plot or the characters disposition.

all the "bad guys" are typical cliche "i want to rule the world", i want to destroy the world", "i want to kill all the humans". there no depth.

(i've watched it in dragon ball and liked it, i watched in in dragon ball z and got sick of it, i watched it in the sequel of z and wished i could get my time i spent watching everything pass dragon ball back, i really don't think bleach is worth wasting time watching, unless you like seeing the most minor of minor characters dragged on fights)
there's always some one a little stronger and some one who's a little weaker who acts as a spring board to level up the characters slightly more so they get beat the slightly stronger one.
for actual fights, they're always dragged on cause both characters always feel like showing off for each other (the viewers really) by using the weakest skills first till they get to there strongest instead of just ending shit while the other character is showing off by using there most powerful attack or skill.
and in the end the whole plot could be ended in a seconds, "aizen comes to earth and knocks off ichigo"... this is typical, predictable behavior, since the only role the bad guy's boss is suppose to have (in stuff like this) is to give an idea of "impending doom"(he's gonna kill everyone), a source of chaos(the espada, and whatever else the creator comes up with), and a goal point for the main character(how strong ichigo needs to become, that is to say if ichigo is the main character, the focus point switches all over the place, which drags on the story).
the boss doesn't have an exact power level since, the author hasn't come up with how much stronger he wants to make ichigo, so until then aizen is going to just sit back (doing god knows what a guy does when he has a lot of time and nothing to do, wonder what that'd be...) he's no different then the old rpg generic mid-boss('s) waiting at the bottom of the dungeon('s). (at least final bosses have a history with the main character in rpg's)

bleach is nothing more then a bandwagon(wiki it if you don't know what one is). bandwagon effect, for the reasons above(simple, blunt, exaggerated, the majority of people don't like to think or don't like complicated things), and because its long (due to it being long, the joy(not mine) of watching it is extended) is the reason bleach is liked, popularity doesn't equal quality -_-
hanna montana is my example (i don't have a lot i can think of since i don't watch tv)
when i think about it bandwagon effect alone is enough...

oh oh and its clearly made up as it goes, i doubt anyone would plan/write out so much filler b4 hand, or should i say, that's just stupid. lets flip the chess board (lol), for it to be planned it means the author planed out all this filler b4 he even started this series with no guarantee for success, to have 300+ chapaters worth of story and fight sequences b4 hand.. well i shouldn't have to complete this, i wouldn't even know how too

I feel as if bleach is a better anime rather than naruto due to its plot line. Some may think naruto's plot is more complex and bleach just repeats its self. but bleach has so many secrets like:
Ichigo's dad,Orihimes power,the whole kenpachi's sword (whats its name?, will he find out?), Youroichi and Soifon's demon magic, the awesome guy who was banished and name escapes me..... i know his sword is benihime (kinda sad i can remember his sword)

Ah Kisuke... i think.

All in all i agree with the 97.38% of you saying bleach is better, just i disagree with your assumptions about its plot being dull.

I hear alot of things about bleach having a weak plot it is some what true but I think of it as simple which is sometimes is best but it has deep characters dispite there being so many and that is way I think bleach is so popular a simple story with deep characters

Alright, I'm not gonna argue anymore. People are extremely biased against Bleach and I'm never gonna convince them to see what they refuse to see in it. You wanna go ahead and think Bleach sucks? Fine, Personally I don't like being part of a bias, blind minority, but hey, if you want to that's your deal.

You know that this can be used the other way around too right?

Look Klown, You've already proven you can be a biased motherfucker in GARfest by saying Bruce Lee winning is a mockery. I'm not getting in an argument with you knowing full well you'll never see what I wish you would allow yourself to see, so let's just agree to disagree about the plot of Bleach.

There is so much irony in this post it's fucking ridiculous.

As far as I am concerned Naruto Anime sucks, Bleach Anime sucks, Bleach Manga is so-so, Naruto Manga is just okay. Better then Bleach but not by any wide margin.

both are sucks!