Regarding rules/FAQs and the influx of new users

If you're just looking at the Rules themselves and not anything else, it's more or less 1 & 1/2 pages. The rest you can skip. However, this is all hypothetical and subject to correction. The FAQs themselves are debatable by nature and needed comments. The first revision and third revision are just part of the entire deal that I think should be given attention. But since you insist, I'll create a version just for the Rules/FAQs with little commentary and explanation as possible. I stress that the problem isn't just the Rules/FAQs themselves, but what we should do with them. This way it'll solve thinking and planning on the staff side.

Here's just Rules/FAQs only: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?2zzkmmwziwr

@Arren: Either help me, and by helping me you're helping FAKKU, or don't.

Ok I read both the long and short version and my comments are thus: I am now sure I was right to ask for a shorter version for new users. Places where you refer to "Jacob, Raze, or I" should be changed to "Jacob, Raze, or Nikon" even if Nikon ends up posting it or something it could still be confusing to some people (possibly).

"Do the Image Sections Rules fully apply for the User Upload section? (Forum Post)
Yes. This means, no loli, bestiality, guro etc."

I'm pretty sure you should change the answer here to reflect the fact that what is uploaded seems to be entirely in the hands of the uploader with a possible mention that we prefer no whatever or whatever (just leave the loli out of there in the official end result or we'll have a civil war on our hands).

@Ramsus: first change duly noted and revised.

As for the uploading material to User Uploads section FAQ, I heard that that rule was written just so that FAKKU wouldn't get their asses sued. I think it was Gambler who said that that rule is a formality. I do however want to hear it from the admins, and I'm pretty sure they're aware of this issue as well, but haven't heard anything from them yet. Yeah, I think if they enforced it, we'd get a lotta angry loli supporters, but we have to respect the admins' decisions because after all, they run this site.

You Realy do have some time on your hand dont you :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Well, classes are over, and I'm not working. I figure this was one of the ways I can contribute to FAKKU forums, even if I don't upload stuff. And I think I say it for others that the forums need a revision to make it a better place. The plan calls for nothing overly drastic, and of course it is up to the admins themselves to decide whether or not to use the plan.

wow that was a fast post you do have time on your hands lol<div>
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Well if the loli (and etc) thing is just about legal issues then I'm fine.

@rdx: As you might notice, FAKKU tries not to rely on heavy policing through moderating. FAKKU is mostly user-supported and controlled. It's only within the last two months that the rate of noobs disorganizing the forums increased immensely. As a frequent user, I think that these rules are a step in the right direction. Apparently the admins have some sort of temp-ban system in the works, so hopefully that might drive the lesson home.

Frankly, I'm tired of this too, but this is what happens when a site gets popular through the web community. And I thought that if I was presenting something for all users and staff to see, swearing would make a bad impression on the ideas I'm trying to suggest be implemented.

@everyone else: any suggestions on the rules/FAQs plan I've drawn up? Ramsus made his suggestions, and I have that currently saved it. Anyone else?

the rules/FAQs plan you made seems fine to me but the main problem is getting people to read it.

Are you subtly hinting that you don't want any more commentary from me? *goes and cries.....buckets*

Well maybe he doesn't mean it that way maybe he means that you had a good idea and that you should keep suggestions coming

also heres an idea make people read the rulez before they can even make a acc kinda like term of use that kinda thing

Ramsus, whatta great guy. Love his humor, though really, any other comments would be great. I'm hoping for the FAKKU community to look at and discuss my drawn up plans for the Rules/FAQs page with other changes, but the response is... much lower than I expected.

To recap, here's the full plan:
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?hztmmrzzdfy
And just Rules/FAQs: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?2zzkmmwziwr

@Silverc: you make a point, and Mattarat suggested it a while back. I'm thinking that once a new user registers and tries to enter the forums for the first time, he/she will be redirected to the Rules page before being to run around in the forums. Another suggestion is to make a Front News Page thread announcing the creation of a new Rules/FAQs section along with other changes. (If my suggestions get approval.) This way, old and new members can see what has been implemented at FAKKU to make it a better place to hang out.

Reading over the full plan, I'll comment.

(Ugh, this feels like beta testing...)



While this IS a good idea, I would like to suggest this: A lot of people attention spans on the internet can be measured in micrometers. If you want people to pay attention, you need either a unavoidable one-time nagscreen, or an eyecatcher. Maybe if the image in /about redirected to a text file of the philosophies?



While perfectly all right as a sentiment, I think that "Offensive stuff" is unclear. I think that the whole end of the paragraph can be cut, or replaced with an clarification of what exactly "Offensive" is anyway.



YES. However, no more then four stickies in the subforum, and each sticky no longer then four paragraphs. No noob will read a wall o' text.



I request this line be replaced with a bolded "Keep a lid on any bigotry.", for no particular reason.



It is unavoidable that the forums will have drama, which is in rather short supply in our current community. How lenient do we want to be to it?



Second part of that rule is not needed, I thinks. A terse "Don't post just to get your post count up. Your posts will be deleted." sounds better, I thinks.



Some people might not notice the spoiler button or not know the code. Maybe it should be mentioned?



Sometimes full doujini pages are unavailable. I feel this rule should be limited to the Images section.



Emphasize Search Bar. People will still ignore it, but an eyecatcher might decrease the number.



Repeat rule, or clever emphasis?



You know, the usual. Child Porn, Horse porn, Bomb schematics.



Random error. Bottom line: If you logged in at the forums, make sure the first page you visit is a forum page. Sometimes, logging in at the forums and then later viewing the front page logs you out. I think it's either been fixed or is much less common now.



I'm not sure I understand the question. Are you asking wheather or not we should establish an overall sticky for UP? If that's it, I think that is, or should be, in someone's works. If it's not, I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to make a sticky consisting of:

General Guidelines
Upload Sites
Rules and Netiquette
Etc

for the uploads section.



I think this sort of information should go into the General UP sticky, so as to serve as a "One-Stop" information center.

Phew. My wrist aches.

There's not much things that I can say in this topic anymore since some of the ideas that I have, have already been expressed by some other members. But I just want to give my support to some of those ideas to make this community stronger.

I might not be a high / popular poster. But i'm on these forums nearly 60 hours a week. While i do not wish some hard security, I want the third generation of fakku member ( i call the people who will have the 2009 tag - third generation :P ) to have the chance to join some of cool guys in this community, we might meet some pretty awesome people.

I agree with pretty much everything Arizth said as they're all good points (and well said too, good job). I think going with the "one-time nagscreen" would probably work better but, that's just my opinion, I really have no idea how well it would work.

Btw g-money I can see how you might be disappointed at the low turn out for this thread but, I'm honestly not sure how many people even check this section at all.

Finally i found the time to read this whole Topic (uff).
Now for the new FAQ Prototype:



Well i think that we are all pretty much aware of the fact, that speaking english is useful, no need to point it out.



I would rather suggest: Please refrain from Flaming.




Trolls = Flamer-Subcategory im my eyes, so no need to mention them.



The Problem is not that People answer to every single thread, but rather the Way they do it. I think everybody is able to differ between Spamming and just overactivity ^^
"Don't post just to get your post count up (Spam). This means only reply to a thread if you want to contribute in an constructive way. One Word Answers ar not considered to be constructive.



What's considered as Loli, Shota.... and no thats not common sense. Exspecially regarding Lolicon People tend to have different views as what they see as Lolicon and what some of them call delicious "flat chested Girls" I had a short discussion about this specific Question with Jacob and i can tell you, it`s not as easy as some of you think.
So i think we need a clear Definition, or let the Mods and Admins decide it on there own juristriction.



I hope Jacob will adding a Comment System to the existing Report Button hence you click on Report, a Shout-Box pops up, asking you to write down why you reported that specific Thread.



This Topic was already covered above, hence can be deleted.

Overall i can fully agree on the fact, that the Fakku Rules need some kind of upgrade.
A lot of people in this thread mentioned that nobody cares to read the Rules anyway, but they also pointed out, that's no Excuse for what we consider as bad behaviour.
Only while "nobodoy" reads them, you can't say we don't need them. I mean why do we have Constitutions ? I don't think just for fun.
I think i will give this Topic some more thoughts, exspecially on how we can stick to the KISS Rule.

...I wonder what g-money is up to these days...It's almost been Two weeks now since he last made a post here at Fakku...

he was actually one of the few guys who first acknowledged my existence here... and I'm grateful about that... so I'm just a little bit concerned I guess? I just hope he's doin' well.

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you think? lol!

~sorry bout that g-money...wherever you are...if ever you manage to read this...please don't haunt me...haunt Arizth instead! just kiddin~ :lol:

I think he died.

Poor guy.

I do, I do *puts hand up* ..but I'm just an unusual noob I suppose. :)