Manga and Doujinshi
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Fiero88Formula wrote...
Another thing that still and will likely continue to be an issue is there really needs to be a more definitive definition on the actual difference between 'manga' and 'doujinshi'. There is a difference - even if one doesn't understand it fully. Doujinshi is a fan-created work based off of an existing work, while simple 'manga' as it is defined here is an original work created by a particular artist. Both are manga in the manga-est sense of terms, but there is a definitive line as to how one should apply each term.
No, doujinshi can be 100% original works, they do not have to be based on any other existing IP whatsoever. The content doesn't matter, how it's published, distributed, and funded does. Doujin is independent, dounjinshi are independent publications. You can publish a 150 page tankobon as a doujinshi, as long as there are no professional aspects to how the artist was paid or the work published and distributed. The definitions used here are purely based on the economics, not on the content.
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Jacob wrote...
Also, the ability to download doujins or manga from the site will be unavailable until we upgrade our file servers.Funny how many people are asking about downloads when it's the LAST SENTENCE OF THE FIRST POST.
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!!walw6pK4Alo wrote...
No, doujinshi can be 100% original works, they do not have to be based on any other existing IP whatsoever. The content doesn't matter, how it's published, distributed, and funded does. Doujin is independent, dounjinshi are independent publications. You can publish a 150 page tankobon as a doujinshi, as long as there are no professional aspects to how the artist was paid or the work published and distributed. The definitions used here are purely based on the economics, not on the content.^This.
Somehow I'm not surprised about the ignorance level of the 'largest hentai community' on the interwebz. I'm surprised that 'almighty' Jacob didn't know the difference either. (If he's using the definition for the search engine only, it's a different story).
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At 1st I was like where is the doujinshies then I was like WOW they made a category for them nice
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I guess I'll try to throw in my two cents into the mix while we're having this discussion. I'm mostly highlighting what !!walw6pK4Alo said with some more in depth info. There is a very simple yet highly concise definition that determines what would be considered manga material and doujinshi material. It is NOT based upon the content, but rather the means in which the content is produced.
In the most simplest terms, anything that is produced through commercial means (ie. magazine serialization through a publisher to later produce a compilation tankoubon) would fall under the manga category while anything that is self-published would make the content a doujinshi regardless if the story is a parody or original.
Much like the regular manga industry, the hentai manga scene follows the same business formula. I'll use Shounen Jump as an example since I'm sure many people are familiar with this monthly publication. Here, we have a publishing house that employs a group of artists who each produce a single chapter worth of content that will be combined together and released as a monthly anthology. Depending on the publishing house, it can even be a weekly or bi-weekly serialization. When an artist (or mangaka if you're anal about Japanese terminology) has produced enough chapters to warrant a full book release (typically 10-12 chapters), the publishing house will then re-print the chapters on high quality paper and release it as a tankoubon or what's more commonly known over here in the West as manga. Extra content tends to accompany these releases.
Hentai artists go through the same motion. They're employed by a publishing house, produce chapters to be compiled into a monthly anthology, and if they're lucky enough to produce enough content, they'll get their very own H-Manga released to the public.
Here's a list of some well known monthly hentai magazines.
Comic Kairakuten (Wani Magazine)
Comic Kairakuten Beast (Wani Magazine)
Comic Megastore (Core Magazine)
Comic Hotmilk (Core Magazine)
Comic Tenma (Akane Shinsha)
Comic Unreal (KTC)
The name in parentheses is the publishing house that owns the magazine syndication. Artists are able to work under multiple publishing houses at the same time. The ever popular artist NaPaTa works under Wani and Core magazine which is why this he/she has produced content in Kairakuten, Megastore, and Hotmilk.
People like to say that anything that is a parody will automatically marks the book as a doujinshi. This is NOT true. The publishing house KTC is often commissioned by H-game companies to produce "official" comics based on their work. This is very similar to having an original anime receiving a manga adaptation. The content is technically a parody, but because it's going through a publishing house with the consent of the original creators, it's knocked into the manga category.
Likewise with doujinshi. Doujinshi simply means something is self-published. Think about those people you see at conventions sitting behind their booths trying to sell you their self-made comics or artbooks. Same principle applies here. Regardless if the content is original or not, the fact that it's self-published makes it a doujinshi.
Here's an example of a translation I did a while back by the artist known as Maidoll. Heavy Wing Liberate - The Guardian Princess - A Maiden who Liberates the Stars. This is a self published comic about a busty alien who's fighting to defend the earth. There's also some good yuri futa action thrown into the mix. The story is 100% original, but it's self-published by the artist and sold at a convention. All of the proceeding goes back to the artist to cover their expenses to produce said book and to be allowed to participate in the convention. Hopefully, some profit is left over for the taking.
Artists are indeed allowed to make doujinshi of their own original work that have been serialized by a publishing house. Fueta Kishi created a character name Fukuyama-san who appears in comic megastore and in his H-manga Chu Berozu. He's also gone to create a series of doujinshis featuring her sexual escapades with her beloved boyfriend. As of the time of this post, 6 doujinshi have been produced.
So here's an inception-like situation. An original content that's also parodied by its own creator. How are you suppose to classify this? Again, you classify this by how the content was made and not by the content itself.
There are plenty of times where doujinshi have been produced that rivals the breadth of content found in H-manga as well. Udon-ya is a great example where he has created 2 ginormous compilations of his monster hunter series that can be considered a manga by its sheer size, but it's self published and therefore a doujinshi. Many artists have done the same thing.
Then we have another situation where an artist uses two pen names for their works. One for their professional work with the publishing house and another for their doujinshis. Some Examples.
Fei / Maidoll
NaPaTa / Cat Food
KIsaragi Gunma / G's Studios
Inkey / Shouko Kakei
Tosh / Hikakuteki Simple na Panty
So remember folks...
Created through commercial means = Manga
Self-published = Doujinshi
In the most simplest terms, anything that is produced through commercial means (ie. magazine serialization through a publisher to later produce a compilation tankoubon) would fall under the manga category while anything that is self-published would make the content a doujinshi regardless if the story is a parody or original.
Much like the regular manga industry, the hentai manga scene follows the same business formula. I'll use Shounen Jump as an example since I'm sure many people are familiar with this monthly publication. Here, we have a publishing house that employs a group of artists who each produce a single chapter worth of content that will be combined together and released as a monthly anthology. Depending on the publishing house, it can even be a weekly or bi-weekly serialization. When an artist (or mangaka if you're anal about Japanese terminology) has produced enough chapters to warrant a full book release (typically 10-12 chapters), the publishing house will then re-print the chapters on high quality paper and release it as a tankoubon or what's more commonly known over here in the West as manga. Extra content tends to accompany these releases.
Hentai artists go through the same motion. They're employed by a publishing house, produce chapters to be compiled into a monthly anthology, and if they're lucky enough to produce enough content, they'll get their very own H-Manga released to the public.
Here's a list of some well known monthly hentai magazines.
Comic Kairakuten (Wani Magazine)
Comic Kairakuten Beast (Wani Magazine)
Comic Megastore (Core Magazine)
Comic Hotmilk (Core Magazine)
Comic Tenma (Akane Shinsha)
Comic Unreal (KTC)
The name in parentheses is the publishing house that owns the magazine syndication. Artists are able to work under multiple publishing houses at the same time. The ever popular artist NaPaTa works under Wani and Core magazine which is why this he/she has produced content in Kairakuten, Megastore, and Hotmilk.
People like to say that anything that is a parody will automatically marks the book as a doujinshi. This is NOT true. The publishing house KTC is often commissioned by H-game companies to produce "official" comics based on their work. This is very similar to having an original anime receiving a manga adaptation. The content is technically a parody, but because it's going through a publishing house with the consent of the original creators, it's knocked into the manga category.
Likewise with doujinshi. Doujinshi simply means something is self-published. Think about those people you see at conventions sitting behind their booths trying to sell you their self-made comics or artbooks. Same principle applies here. Regardless if the content is original or not, the fact that it's self-published makes it a doujinshi.
Here's an example of a translation I did a while back by the artist known as Maidoll. Heavy Wing Liberate - The Guardian Princess - A Maiden who Liberates the Stars. This is a self published comic about a busty alien who's fighting to defend the earth. There's also some good yuri futa action thrown into the mix. The story is 100% original, but it's self-published by the artist and sold at a convention. All of the proceeding goes back to the artist to cover their expenses to produce said book and to be allowed to participate in the convention. Hopefully, some profit is left over for the taking.
Artists are indeed allowed to make doujinshi of their own original work that have been serialized by a publishing house. Fueta Kishi created a character name Fukuyama-san who appears in comic megastore and in his H-manga Chu Berozu. He's also gone to create a series of doujinshis featuring her sexual escapades with her beloved boyfriend. As of the time of this post, 6 doujinshi have been produced.
So here's an inception-like situation. An original content that's also parodied by its own creator. How are you suppose to classify this? Again, you classify this by how the content was made and not by the content itself.
There are plenty of times where doujinshi have been produced that rivals the breadth of content found in H-manga as well. Udon-ya is a great example where he has created 2 ginormous compilations of his monster hunter series that can be considered a manga by its sheer size, but it's self published and therefore a doujinshi. Many artists have done the same thing.
Then we have another situation where an artist uses two pen names for their works. One for their professional work with the publishing house and another for their doujinshis. Some Examples.
Fei / Maidoll
NaPaTa / Cat Food
KIsaragi Gunma / G's Studios
Inkey / Shouko Kakei
Tosh / Hikakuteki Simple na Panty
So remember folks...
Created through commercial means = Manga
Self-published = Doujinshi
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You know I think you should add a blacklist feature, for those of us who don't like "forced" or those who don't like "incest" or "yaoi" << that one in particular I don't like seeing the sample images of when I am trying to fap.
(My god this is hard to do on the Wii, sorry for any spelling mistakes)
(My god this is hard to do on the Wii, sorry for any spelling mistakes)
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I saw the front page with the "If We Could Meet By the Sea" doujin, thought it was a sequel. Dream crushed.
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Just want to point out that my explanation on the front page was intended to be as simple as possible for the general audience, obviously there are much more significant differences between manga and doujinshi.
One thing you can look forward to is multiple artists and circles on doujinshi, and including the tankoubon that an individual manga came from. Maybe even the event it was originally released at?
One thing you can look forward to is multiple artists and circles on doujinshi, and including the tankoubon that an individual manga came from. Maybe even the event it was originally released at?
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Jacob wrote...
Just want to point out that my explanation on the front page was intended to be as simple as possible for the general audience, obviously there are much more significant differences between manga and doujinshi.Why not educate the uninformed, rather than accommodate them? The true distinction is simple enough, even if it runs contrary to what people who have no idea think.
FUKE wrote...
Created through commercial means = Manga
Self-published = Doujinshi
There. Simple.
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Amusing! I always wanted to do this to my collection as well, but there's too much to sort out.
I shall follow your example!!
I shall follow your example!!
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Imari
Little White Butterflies Staff
Jacob wrote...
Just want to point out that my explanation on the front page was intended to be as simple as possible for the general audience, obviously there are much more significant differences between manga and doujinshi.One thing you can look forward to is multiple artists and circles on doujinshi, and including the tankoubon that an individual manga came from. Maybe even the event it was originally released at?
It's not that it's oversimplified. It's that it's wrong. Doujinshi can be original, or in the FAKKU definition, Manga. Manga can probably also use established series given appropriate permissions from the original creators, although I doubt it would be worth their while commercially in most cases.
Dividing into original and derivative works is a good idea. Using the words Manga and Doujinshi to label those is not. Those have specific meanings, even if a large portion of the hentai population isn't entirely clear on them. Those meanings have been explained sufficiently by others, so I won't go into it. FAKKU being so large, it will only help to propagate false definitions if this labelling goes through.
Label them as Original and Licensed Series, or something similar. I really don't recommend trying to repurpose existing words to mean something they don't.
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instead of making a different category between a doujinshi and original, i'd rather if you compile a finished tankoubon into a single file rather than download it each chapter
but meh... i already got other site for that purpose, either way keep up the good work
but meh... i already got other site for that purpose, either way keep up the good work
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Imari wrote...
Label them as Original and Licensed Series, or something similar. I really don't recommend trying to repurpose existing words to mean something they don't.
what's the different between these two words? rather than that,i think 'manga' and 'doujinshi' are much easier to divide these two kinds of book
