2016 is looking grim

I didn't know about the Fire Emblem censorship. This greatly displeases me

I already tore up your stupid presidential thread in Random section, you and the other Sanders dick suckers couldn't justify his shitty thoughts and actions.
Big corporation already transfer their assets out of State btw or just reinvest to avoid taxation. They've been doing this since forever, and Comrade Sanders is delusional if he thinks he's going to help anyone with idiotic economic and foreign policies.

We're talking about a man who believes the wage gap exist despite being debunked many times for the last 40 years.

A man who doesn't understand how the 08' crashed despite voting in favor of what caused it several times.

He doesn't understand the concept of debt.

He doesn't understand how the supreme court works and thinks he can stack judges in favor if he wins the presidency.

He thinks homes earning less than 60% of median income in that country are those in poverty, not taking into account what the median income is to push bogus statistics about children in poverty in the US.

He doesn't understand why Billionaires are paying the same amount into Social Security as someone who makes significantly less but doesn't question why they also receive the same amount.

He doesn't understand that raising minimum wage is actually part of the reason why the there's such high disparities between white and black unemployment rates.

Doesn't understand collateral and the difference between getting a mortgage and getting a student loan.

And let's not forget his stupid admiration for Chinese health system and rights granted to pregnant mothers despite their numerous human's right violations.

How about you try being skeptical?



>he' right wing leaning
>He's the only one who doesn't act like a bitch

You do realize you look like a simpleton talking out of his ass when you say stupid things you don't know anything about, right?

Also Sanders is the biggest pussy next to Jeb Bush. He let Black Lives Matter protesters hijack his event because he's a white guilt ridden progressive leftist.

Better than the Dominionist candidates. Freaky for overlord 2017

What will you bring to the country as overlord?

Executions of the heretics and free ramen. Healthcare since you weebs don't do well in the basements with vitamin sun and takeout sushi. Great wall of Canada to keep the heat in the winter. Make Mexico pay for it. Make apple pay taxes. And enstate the first night primae noctis.

I have an idea of government by council but it doesn't exist in theory. Not soviet, but federal republic electoral council democracy. Executive branch by a group. Think city council but fuck the mayor.

Maybe you're right, IDK. I'd have to check your sources for the claims you're making, which you haven't provided (also, I'm aware that companies do shady tax evasion practices already, I'm not denying that in the least. I was just gonna follow up by mentioning that the reason many of them do that is because the country isn't socialist enough. They don't want to have to pay their employees benefits such as healthcare, so they set up sweatshops overseas.). I'm willing to be a skeptic, but the policies are too appealing:

-Replace fossil fuels with alternative energy
-Universal Healthcare
-Free College admission
-Making private prisons illegal


Rather than vote for someone who'd rather settle for less, I prefer voting for someone who actually wants to make a difference for the country. I'll look into what you said, but like I can't take Sanders words at face value, I can't take yours at face value either.

I don't agree with Socialized healthcare. Look at his plan. It's very expensive and he's going to raise taxes on everyone and still won't be enough to pay off his plan. Even he's not entirely sure how much that's going to cost and has been super wrong in his prediction. Some believe it's going to exceed his 18.5 Trillion proposal by a lot.

And personally, I think a freer market will do people better. Part of the reason why medicine and treatment is so expensive in our healthcare is because govt. intervention, not the lack of it.

Free college is going to make it harder for poorer people to get jobs while forcing them to pay other people to get skills they don't. Look at tuition and how much higher it's gotten since govt. started to subsidize higher education. It's not sustainable and it's not unreasonable for people to not want to pay into that.

And I do agree there needs to be a phase out of for profit private prisons but seeing as how our criminal justice system is broken that needs priority. The relationship between less crimes are more people in prison isn't a correlation since they're both linked to each other directly.

Same with clean energy sources. Market and the people need to take initiative, not Uncle Sam.

As for the sources, you probably already have Sander's page bookmarked but a lot of things he says were in the debates and his twitter.

Also I don't care if you don't take my statements of him at face value but YOU need to be way more critical of him, and no, him promising free shit isn't a good reason to even remotely care about him. He is a demagogue and I don't think there is "free lunch".

Min. wage is garbage and acts as a floor into the market.

You want more sources though, right?

Sanders is very pro-war and intervionist state. He's voted to keep Guantanamo bay open. He's voted for having no fly zones in Libya. He's voted to expand the military industrial complex several times.




http://votesmart.org/bill/2657/8170/27110/military-construction-fiscal-year-1994-appropriations-bill#.Vqf_H-w8KJJ

http://votesmart.org/bill/2732/7934/27110/bernie-sanders-voted-yea-passage-with-amendment-s-j-res-45-authorization-for-use-of-%20%20us-armed-forces-in-somalia#7934

http://votesmart.org/bill/2678/8171/27110/bernie-sanders-voted-yea-passage-hr-4453-military-construction-fy95-appropriations-%20%20bill#8171

http://votesmart.org/bill/2871/8546/27110/foreign-operations-fy98-appropriations-bill#.VbC4T7NViko

http://votesmart.org/bill/2907/8173/27110/military-construction-fy99-appropriations-bill#.VbC5t7NViko

http://votesmart.org/bill/2924/8126/27110/bernie-sanders-voted-yea-passage-hr-4655-iraqi-liberation-act-of-1998#8126

http://votesmart.org/bill/3010/8577/27110/military-construction-fy2000-appropriations-bill#.VbC6LbNViko

http://votesmart.org/bill/3025/8078/27110/foreign-operations-fy2000-appropriations-bill#.VbC827NViko

http://votesmart.org/bill/3122/8511/27110/department-of-defense-appropriations-fiscal-year-2003#.VqgZh-w8KJJ

http://votesmart.org/bill/3196/8076/27110/foreign-operations-appropriations-fy-2004-bill#.VqgavOw8KJJ

http://votesmart.org/bill/3224/8003/27110/defense-department-fy2005-appropriations-bill#.VbDGcrNViko

http://votesmart.org/bill/3287/8005/27110/defense-department-fy2006-appropriations-bill#.VbDGpLNViko

https://votesmart.org/bill/3333/8007/defense-department-fy2007-appropriations-bill#.VbHoJbNViko

http://votesmart.org/bill/4562/15963/27110/national-defense-authorization-act-for-fiscal-year-2008#.VbDHI7NViko


http://votesmart.org/bill/10309/28179/27110/2009-2010-defense-appropriations#.VbDJuLNViko

http://www.bobcesca.com/blog-archives/2009/05/sanders_on_the.html


https://www.congress.gov/bill/112th-congress/senate-resolution/85/cosponsors

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/24583-bernie-sanders-doubles-down-on-f-35-support-days-after-runway-explosion

I appreciate the sources you provided, and I did my own digging while waiting for your response. As you say, the numbers regarding how much it'll cost to pay for free college doesn't add up. Universal Healthcare might not be such a good idea either since it'll probably stunt the growth of medical advancement in the U.S. The doctors and medicine makers maybe greedy, but dammit they do a hell of a job. People from all over the world transfer to U.S hospitals just to get the treatment they need. Mess with those guys wallets and they'll probably boycott or something. No comment on minum wage, I'm not concerned about that right now. I am upset that he's pro war, I was under the impression he was subtle about going straight into wars.

I'll think long and hard about this since the only reason why I considered voting for him was because his policies would've benefitted my niece if they succeded.

Cruz, the world already has enough Vladimir Putins acting as heads of state. We don't need any more of them.

My weeny's the biggest~!!

I think everyone wants their loved one to be successful, safe and healthy. I want that and for people to retain their rights and privileges that were granted to them by the constitution too. Maybe it's because of my Classic Liberal bias but I don't think having more war mongers who want bigger & invasive govt. role in the lives of everyone is going to get us there.

That's why I understand why so many people are flocking to Bernie. He seems to be outside of that status quo (he really isn't) and he promises change. The US is already in serious shit with all this debt we've obtained and all these conflicts that are spreading us thin. The future looks bleak and doing more of the same in bigger quantities isn't a viable solution.

As for the healthcare remarks, I don't think doctors are inherently greedy or that all big pharma companies are in it for the $$$.
Trying to help patients in the current system is hard for a lot of doctors. Here's a video that made me do a bit of research on Health care in the past.(BUT please be aware the non-doctor guy in the video is for the most part and alt-right political commentator. Dr. Jeffrey Singer is an alright dude who genuinely care about his patients and the welfare of people)



Are you mistakenly thinking I'm supporting/voting for another collectivist/authoritarian shit show?

I don't think I've ever said anything that implies that remotely unless you think if I don't vote for X candidate, I'm automatically Y.

I hope that's not the case. You already have an idea of what I think about Chump.

Are you mistakenly thinking I'm supporting/voting for another collectivist/authoritarian shit show?

I don't think I've ever said anything that implies that remotely unless you think if I don't vote for X candidate, I'm automatically Y.[/quote]

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I must be really bored to even think about joining this conversation.

Ever since I got kicked out of uni, things have been rough, but life's on the up-and-up. I kept both my jobs, found a new apartment, and well, I finally have enough time to start writing again (Well, at least on my days off).

As for politics, I really don't give a shit, but let's do this in order, just because I'm bored and what to chime in. If I'm wrong about something, I don't really care, I'm just here to fan the flames for fun:

@cronabaka There are a few things wrong with this - aside from the fact that none of the candidates are Russian and what you're saying is obviously just a poorly-executed bad joke.

This statement is also very out of left field, since Vladimir Putin actually has nothing to do with our elections, and anyone that uses him or his policies as a specific example for something to aid their election chances is not doing themselves ANY favors.

@cruz737 The only thing I can say is... you know your shit regarding a lot of political and economical stuff, but it would help your case to explain things to others if you could track down more .gov or .edu sources (government approved or academically accredited) ... These sources have MANY of their own flaws but it's a lot harder to make arguments about their content's accountability (due to how .com sites are, a lot of them will use a lot of information from unofficial sources at times, however that is not the case with the examples you presented here, which do provide decent [and in some cases, very accurate] statistics) due to the nature of government and education sites having to follow stricter guidelines regarding their content.

That being said politics and such aren't my cup of tea, so I'll just leave those debates to the professionals, and let what happens, happen.

Honestly, I couldn't give 2 shits about who the next president is. As soon as I have a chance to flee to the weeb country forever, I'll take it.

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I must be really bored to even think about joining this conversation.

Ever since I got kicked out of uni, things have been rough, but life's on the up-and-up. I kept both my jobs, found a new apartment, and well, I finally have enough time to start writing again (Well, at least on my days off).

As for politics, I really don't give a shit, but let's do this in order, just because I'm bored and what to chime in. If I'm wrong about something, I don't really care, I'm just here to fan the flames for fun:

@cronabaka There are a few things wrong with this - aside from the fact that none of the candidates are Russian and what you're saying is obviously just a poorly-executed bad joke.

This statement is also very out of left field, since Vladimir Putin actually has nothing to do with our elections, and anyone that uses him or his policies as a specific example for something to aid their election chances is not doing themselves ANY favors.

@cruz737 The only thing I can say is... you know your shit regarding a lot of political and economical stuff, but it would help your case to explain things to others if you could track down more .gov or .edu sources (government approved or academically accredited) ... These sources have MANY of their own flaws but it's a lot harder to make arguments about their content's accountability (due to how .com sites are, a lot of them will use a lot of information from unofficial sources at times, however that is not the case with the examples you presented here, which do provide decent [and in some cases, very accurate] statistics) due to the nature of government and education sites having to follow stricter guidelines regarding their content.

That being said politics and such aren't my cup of tea, so I'll just leave those debates to the professionals, and let what happens, happen.

Honestly, I couldn't give 2 shits about who the next president is. As soon as I have a chance to flee to the weeb country forever, I'll take it.

I heard about Fire Emblem's cencorship.... I don't see petting can turn you into a misogynist~

I believe they call random people to poll. Dunno the specifics about how they conduct the polling but I can give you a few organizations: most major news organizations(Gallup, CNN, Fox,...), the candidates themselves pay for polling, and I would not be shocked if the GOP and DNC did their own as well. The "unproven numbers" probably rely on trust; if someone trusts CNN then they are more likely to trust their numbers.

me pls

lets get milkshakes too

On the bern subject, I have my doubts free healthcare, education and the likes will cost anywhere near the trillions.

From an outside perspective, he does seem like the best candidate from what I've seen. America lacks quite a lot of things that other first world countries have (Healthcare that isn't shit, accessible education, etc. Granted, if the education isn't on a similar route to us, where you pay it back out of your earnings automatically after you earn over a certain amount, I can see it being a bit odd. But, eh)
On the other end of the scale though, trump is a joke to most countries from what I've seen. Still trying to figure out how he expects mexico to pull 30bill out of their arse for a wall, and how he thinks it'll solve the issue a fence didn't.

Still, shitty politics aside, year hasn't been too awful so far

I've been enjoying the year thus far. But then again, I don't really go by the whole "new year, new changes, new start, etc". Like many I know personally had a shitty 2015, and are obviously not enjoying 2016 anymore so. Bad things can tend to happen conveniently at once, but on the flip-side, many good things can also happen in succession as well.

Personally, I like to keep busy, and keep myself occupied with fun things on my down time. I feel it keeps me more focused, level headed, and helps me not dwell too much on the negatives.