I feel like we're moving from the original topics and my original intent. I couldn't even make it 20 seconds before I had to stop that video, that is exactly the idiocy I wish to avoid. Unfortunately, unbelief has become trendy in a way I find repugnant, loud imbicils ruin the appearance of the collective and soil the points calmly raised by the many great minds who dared to think. Individuals like this man are proof, however, that even, and in some cases especially, that individuals who supposedly champion reason can be complete idiots. This is not what Christopher Hitchens, or Bertrand Russell, or many or the other great minds who fought not only for the rights is unbelievers, but against the actual harm of religion, would have envisioned for their self-proclaimed co-thinkers. This is just a travisty to watch and it almost made me cringe as much as the arrogant call from Richard Dawkins and Daniel Dennett that atheists should elect to call themselves "brights". Though I consider myself a minor intellectual, though nowhere near the footing of the noteworthy atheists not only of our time, but of times past, I still find that I must get validation of my claim by either calmly and rationally debating with those of faith (and at a bare minimum, hold my own in a serious set of inquiry and a provocative exchange of ideas), or by having a work published and reviewed objectively as a good and sound claim. As I haven't accrued the knowledge necessary to write anything which will introduce new and relavant information to the topics across a spectrum, I must, for now, make do with the former rather than the latter. If you would like to discuss this video, please do so in an intelligable manner and do so seriously. I only elected to put this "club" in CTFG because SD has no appeal to me anymore, and I would like it discussed seriously regardless of the placement.
Yo, I've been de-converted for maybe five months now. Beforehand, I was a devout, biblical baptist. Thanks to the discovery of 'CultOfDusty' a YouTube comedian and 'TheAtheistExperience' here I am today.
Well, I suppose is time for a topic to discuss, so why not consolation within a godless worldview. How can we, as unbelievers and skeptics alike find a type of consolation on par with the thought that there's an all-powerful being watching over us looking after our best interest? I personally choose to rely on solidarity within our communities, there may not be a God, but there are people who do care. I'm interested in hearing what other routes have been explored by you, my cothinkers, and by other individuals with a secular worldview.
So, I can see that my prior point of discussion was more or less flatly rejected, I'm bumping to simply insure that everyone has had a chance to consider it, if there are no replies by tomorrow afternoon, I'll change the subject in an edit in the spoilered section.
I didn't reply because I have no idea how to put it in a coherent manner but since I'm waiting for a long download to finish and the topic needs someone to bite the bullet here goes.
But all in all, I was uncomfortable with the idea of an omnipotent being stalking my ass to begin with, which eventually led me to reason that the concept of destiny inherently undermines the idea of (most) religion.
Now that's not to say I have some other source of consolation. I can't find it in others since 1) I never had many friends and 2) people who can actually make me feel I'm opening up without also making me feel isolated and/or hypocritical are rare and 3) as it happens, those that do don't give me any more consolation than what I somehow developed through this life. I suppose I just somehow learned to be comfortable with what I have and don't, my likes and dislikes, and all that. To me it always boils down to what I think and my current mental state. Like... I may be depressed as fuck now but that doesn't change the fact that I'll be fine later. But still, at the moment I am depressed. But I'll be fine and at some later time feel shit again... etc. I have a problem? I solve it or fail trying. And either learn and accept my mistakes along the way or keep regretting it (this fortunately never happened in anything significant thus far). And regardless of how I live, how I suffer and so on, when I die I die. That's just all there is to it. Although that doesn't mean I can just resign my life to whatever it is, as even in this resignation I still have things I love and things I hate. I like striving for the life I yearn to live.
Okay, I dunno if it makes sense or I'm ranting crap. Now, back to fucking Linux Mint and Nvidia refusing to behave.
Just like the object of many faiths, I'm resurrecting this thread, however, rather than redeeming humanity or any other ridiculous nonsense I'm doing so with purpose. I have an upcoming debate on a lower level with a pastor who takes issue with apostates such as myself. Though I'm confident in my ability to debate effectively, I'd rather win a decisive victory with no room for errors. The audience will primarily be composed of his congregation, so they will be relatively biased. I have months to prepare as I don't intend on visiting Colorado for some time, but considering my natural disadvantage, I won't risk it. The topic is morality, its origins and applications, the trustworthiness of secular humanism, and the link between religiosity/unbelief to social ills. Any suggested readings, resources or simple helpful advice?
Just like the object of many faiths, I'm resurrecting this thread, however, rather than redeeming humanity or any other ridiculous nonsense I'm doing so with purpose. I have an upcoming debate on a lower level with a pastor who takes issue with apostates such as myself. Though I'm confident in my ability to debate effectively, I'd rather win a decisive victory with no room for errors. The audience will primarily be composed of his congregation, so they will be relatively biased. I have months to prepare as I don't intend on visiting Colorado for some time, but considering my natural disadvantage, I won't risk it. The topic is morality, its origins and applications, the trustworthiness of secular humanism, and the link between religiosity/unbelief to social ills. Any suggested readings, resources or simple helpful advice?
I'm not sure if you want to contact the Atheist Community of Austin, as I'm pretty sure they've had someone touch the subject of secular morality vs religious morality, and such.
Just like the object of many faiths, I'm resurrecting this thread, however, rather than redeeming humanity or any other ridiculous nonsense I'm doing so with purpose. I have an upcoming debate on a lower level with a pastor who takes issue with apostates such as myself. Though I'm confident in my ability to debate effectively, I'd rather win a decisive victory with no room for errors. The audience will primarily be composed of his congregation, so they will be relatively biased. I have months to prepare as I don't intend on visiting Colorado for some time, but considering my natural disadvantage, I won't risk it. The topic is morality, its origins and applications, the trustworthiness of secular humanism, and the link between religiosity/unbelief to social ills. Any suggested readings, resources or simple helpful advice?
I'm not sure if you want to contact the Atheist Community of Austin, as I'm pretty sure they've had someone touch the subject of secular morality vs religious morality, and such.
I know about them, yet the idea somehow didn't dawn on me. I'll give it a shot, thanks.
Edit: I think I broke up with my trip to Colorado, so it may not happen, but I'm going to try for an online exchange or something.
I had no idea this existed. As an atheist, I want in. Not only am I prepared to argue against religion but I'm also prepared to argue agains deism, that being an atheist is NOT less rational than being agnostic and that religion should NOT be respected.
I had no idea this existed. As an atheist, I want in. Not only am I prepared to argue against religion but I'm also prepared to argue agains deism, that being an atheist is NOT less rational than being agnostic and that religion should NOT be respected.
Welcome to the club. Shall we use your declaration of readiness as a topic for discussion?
I had no idea this existed. As an atheist, I want in. Not only am I prepared to argue against religion but I'm also prepared to argue agains deism, that being an atheist is NOT less rational than being agnostic and that religion should NOT be respected.
Welcome to the club. Shall we use your declaration of readiness as a topic for discussion?
I did say I wanted in quite quickly but I have no idea what I'm suppose to do know lol Yeah, use it as a topic for discussion I guess.