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high_time wrote...
looks like someone's having fun expressing their opinions.I'm passionate about that topic (aesthetics and art). That last bit was written when I was exhausted. Probably shouldn't do that again.
d(^_^)(^_^)d wrote...
The Logophile wrote...
I have a dear, dear adoration for English, and languages in general, and seeing a prescription of "you can't use adverbs or adjectives", "you can't have an ornate style", or "you can't use archaic/obsolete words". That's insulting to me and English, and any other language. We have these words; we have the right to use them. They should cherished not contemned. They are flames that we can rekindle and bring life back to and show, as if on the theatre's stage, to the world if we are just willing to find them and use them. That's a good point, but these little rules have some truth to them, kind of like urban legends. Following them can help people improve as a writer by forcing them to come up with different ways to get a point across. And of course, we have obvious examples like "running quickly" that illustrate why the rules shouldn't be forgotten, but you're right. They are by no means absolute.
I agree. "Running quickly" could simplified into a simple verb (e.g. dash, dart, hurry, etc.). However, some words have slightly different denotations (and connotations), so "running quickly" might be the best choice in a given instance. On a side note, I wonder if there's a word for "running slowly".
Anyway, I started another short story a few days ago. I haven't worked on it too much. It was inspired by the word "cleave", wonderful word. I'll explain why:
Cleave has a number of different past tense and participles:
Past tense (V-ed1): cleaved, cleft, clove
Past participle (V-ed2): cleaved, cleft, cloven.
It can be conjugated as a regular verb (cleave, cleaved, cleaved) or irregular verb (cleave, cleft/clove, cleft/cloven). Finally, cleave is it's own antonym (called an auto-antonym or contranym).
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The Logophile wrote...
On a side note, I wonder if there's a word for "running slowly".Walking?
Xenon wrote...
Of which I am so sorry! I just remembered a couple days ago that I promised you that I would months ago and just forgot. I even kept it open in a tab to remind myself, and then my computer died and that's really been taking up my time this week. So, I will get to that as soon as possible.Don't worry about it. Read it when you feel like it.
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d(^_^)(^_^)d wrote...
The Logophile wrote...
On a side note, I wonder if there's a word for "running slowly".Walking?
I don't think so. There's a difference, at least in my head, between walking and running slowly. A person can walk, run (quickly), and run slowly. I suppose a really extreme example of running slowly might be the Postman from Majora's Mask. Actually, checking the thesaurus entry of "jog" states "run slowly". So I guess that solves that mystery.
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May I join this club?
I am trying my hand at writing a story
With very little luck since I really have no clue what I'm doing |3
I am trying my hand at writing a story
With very little luck since I really have no clue what I'm doing |3
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The Logophile wrote...
I'm passionate about that topic (aesthetics and art). That last bit was written when I was exhausted. Probably shouldn't do that again.
well don't worry 'bout it. at least it makes the place less dead.
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grimmwolf wrote...
May I join this club?I am trying my hand at writing a story
With very little luck since I really have no clue what I'm doing |3
Of course. We won't try to steal your lunch money except of Shark. Right, Shark? Oh wait. I forgot we killed him.
Welcome, friend.
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leonard267
FAKKU Non-Writer
grimmwolf wrote...
May I join this club?I am trying my hand at writing a story
With very little luck since I really have no clue what I'm doing |3
Me neither. You should look at what I have produced for the past 3 years.
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what is a story.
i can only think in freudian terms as a matter of literally confirming our sexual fetishes both conscious and subconsciously.
on that peculiar definition this could also be classified as erotic fiction
i can only think in freudian terms as a matter of literally confirming our sexual fetishes both conscious and subconsciously.
on that peculiar definition this could also be classified as erotic fiction
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leonard267
FAKKU Non-Writer
^ I did say that it felt as you are making some kind of allusion to the uglier parts of the human anatomy but then upon skimming through it again it felt like reading Edgar Allan Poe.
For those of you who don't know, I hate Edgar Allan Poe but he is a brilliant author.
For those of you who don't know, I hate Edgar Allan Poe but he is a brilliant author.
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as far as I know it's more aiming to be lovecraftian though =)
sometimes the stories arouse me because how the words could have subconscious effect that makes me aroused. regardless of how it's being sexual in nature or not. i have a habit of being really bored when I tried to make a point, and when I don't try to make a point at all it becomes so absurd no one can understand it lel
kafka's writings do arouse me even if I at many occasions did not know what he's talking about.
it reminds me that even know I still haven't read Poe's handicrafts because of laziness. I have come to a tendency that I tend to be attracted to moe lesbian anime girls pleasuring each other in a subtle way rather than wallowing in the deep and insightful repertoire of literature extraordinaire.
guess at times I felt many things should be viewed in a sexual way, or even sexualized. I remember when I read Hemingway's novel and because of the dialogues that seem like today's anime, I even change the protagonist to a moe trap and the love interest is a magical girl.
sometimes the stories arouse me because how the words could have subconscious effect that makes me aroused. regardless of how it's being sexual in nature or not. i have a habit of being really bored when I tried to make a point, and when I don't try to make a point at all it becomes so absurd no one can understand it lel
kafka's writings do arouse me even if I at many occasions did not know what he's talking about.
it reminds me that even know I still haven't read Poe's handicrafts because of laziness. I have come to a tendency that I tend to be attracted to moe lesbian anime girls pleasuring each other in a subtle way rather than wallowing in the deep and insightful repertoire of literature extraordinaire.
guess at times I felt many things should be viewed in a sexual way, or even sexualized. I remember when I read Hemingway's novel and because of the dialogues that seem like today's anime, I even change the protagonist to a moe trap and the love interest is a magical girl.
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leonard267
FAKKU Non-Writer
high_time wrote...
as far as I know it's more aiming to be lovecraftian though =)sometimes the stories arouse me because how the words could have subconscious effect that makes me aroused. regardless of how it's being sexual in nature or not. i have a habit of being really bored when I tried to make a point, and when I don't try to make a point at all it becomes so absurd no one can understand it lel
kafka's writings do arouse me even if I at many occasions did not know what he's talking about.
it reminds me that even know I still haven't read Poe's handicrafts because of laziness. I have come to a tendency that I tend to be attracted to moe lesbian anime girls pleasuring each other in a subtle way rather than wallowing in the deep and insightful repertoire of literature extraordinaire.
guess at times I felt many things should be viewed in a sexual way, or even sexualized. I remember when I read Hemingway's novel and because of the dialogues that seem like today's anime, I even change the protagonist to a moe trap and the love interest is a magical girl.
That was exactly how it felt like. I only skimmed a little of Edgar Allan Poe's work. It concentrates on minute details like how you described that house of horrors with the aborted foetuses and the holes. It concentrates on what the protagonist is thinking.
I find it all unnecessary. All that is needed to be described are the events that take place in the story. The emotions, the descriptions will follow naturally. For example, I think Edgar Allan Poe wrote about someone who was incarcerated. I had to go through the tedium of reading about that person's emotions. I would much rather read about where he was imprisoned, why he was imprisoned and the problems he would encounter trying to escape from prison.
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leonard267 wrote...
That was exactly how it felt like. I only skimmed a little of Edgar Allan Poe's work. It concentrates on minute details like how you described that house of horrors with the aborted foetuses and the holes. It concentrates on what the protagonist is thinking.
I find it all unnecessary. All that is needed to be described are the events that take place in the story. The emotions, the descriptions will follow naturally. For example, I think Edgar Allan Poe wrote about someone who was incarcerated. I had to go through the tedium of reading about that person's emotions. I would much rather read about where he was imprisoned, why he was imprisoned and the problems he would encounter trying to escape from prison.
I guess that's a given when we want to have something we want to understand rather than simply get us entertained but we don't even know what it's about. at times I felt like, my brain needs to be aroused first by the words, enough to get me interested in reading the actual information.
if I'm not that interested, most likely I probably won't understand the story, even if it's actually written in a way that's easy to understand.
though it's nice if both could somehow try to balance both aspects of being entertaining and being straight to the point. but for me I guess I write like I'm merely describing my imagination just to entertain myself rather than making a point.
or yeah, there's no need for point because it's not the story's point thus it's deemed kind of unimportant by the author rather than freely expressing their imaginations. how should we put it, maybe it's more like a style, preferences that stick with the author's liking, or it could be worded something else.
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well I guess the similar way can be said when I write monologues. many times I find myself highly focused on a single aspect and forgetting another.
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leonard267
FAKKU Non-Writer
high_time wrote...
leonard267 wrote...
That was exactly how it felt like. I only skimmed a little of Edgar Allan Poe's work. It concentrates on minute details like how you described that house of horrors with the aborted foetuses and the holes. It concentrates on what the protagonist is thinking.
I find it all unnecessary. All that is needed to be described are the events that take place in the story. The emotions, the descriptions will follow naturally. For example, I think Edgar Allan Poe wrote about someone who was incarcerated. I had to go through the tedium of reading about that person's emotions. I would much rather read about where he was imprisoned, why he was imprisoned and the problems he would encounter trying to escape from prison.
I guess that's a given when we want to have something we want to understand rather than simply get us entertained but we don't even know what it's about. at times I felt like, my brain needs to be aroused first by the words, enough to get me interested in reading the actual information.
if I'm not that interested, most likely I probably won't understand the story, even if it's actually written in a way that's easy to understand.
though it's nice if both could somehow try to balance both aspects of being entertaining and being straight to the point. but for me I guess I write like I'm merely describing my imagination just to entertain myself rather than making a point.
or yeah, there's no need for point because it's not the story's point thus it's deemed kind of unimportant by the author rather than freely expressing their imaginations. how should we put it, maybe it's more like a style, preferences that stick with the author's liking, or it could be worded something else.
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well I guess the similar way can be said when I write monologues. many times I find myself highly focused on a single aspect and forgetting another.
I am a reader of non-fiction that is why I don't appreciate the art of forming sentences as much as that of story telling. I can't read a story that has no plot. It is not the beauty of the words that delights me, it is what they convey.
I love Sandbox Modo because of its anecdotes. (That said, when it comes to writing, it is the anecdotes that I pay the most attention to) There is no need for grandiose embellishment just a simple description of what is happening to the protagonist. What goes on in the head of the protagonist can be guessed.
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leonard267 wrote...
I am a reader of non-fiction that is why I don't appreciate the art of forming sentences as much as that of story telling. I can't read a story that has no plot. It is not the beauty of the words that delights me, it is what they convey.
I love Sandbox Modo because of its anecdotes. (That said, when it comes to writing, it is the anecdotes that I pay the most attention to) There is no need for grandiose embellishment just a simple description of what is happening to the protagonist. What goes on in the head of the protagonist can be guessed.
I'm not a fan of fancy words and over-furnished descriptions either, but I guess I abode by the saying, when you want to learn something, it's best to have fun with it. other than catching my interest first, I guess the rest of them plays out similar way to what you do.
personally I find monologues to be flexible and easier to write because all I have to do is conveying a point, no need for the extras. though if it were for entertainment, maybe I'll do something else. or write something particularly silly when it comes to monologues.
well I think Sandbox Modo mostly happens in first person though, although when I think about it again, it plays similar to what you said. but I guess my subjects changes over time lol
most of the things I wrote nowadays only consists of very short chapters such as these. idk maybe i should put on more effort
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leonard267 wrote...
That was exactly how it felt like. I only skimmed a little of Edgar Allan Poe's work. What work of his did thou skim? I think thou'd like Poe's "The Cask of Amontillado". It's pretty short and not overly poetic.
leonard267 wrote...
I find it all unnecessary. All that is needed to be described are the events that take place in the story. The emotions, the descriptions will follow naturally. leonard267 wrote...
I am a reader of non-fiction that is why I don't appreciate the art of forming sentences as much as that of story telling. I can't read a story that has no plot. It is not the beauty of the words that delights me, it is what they convey. We are just complete opposites, aren't we? Although I do agree that the elegance of words shouldn't be all that there is to a work/story.
leonard267 wrote...
For example, I think Edgar Allan Poe wrote about someone who was incarcerated. I had to go through the tedium of reading about that person's emotions. I would much rather read about where he was imprisoned, why he was imprisoned and the problems he would encounter trying to escape from prison. I think that's the point. It's not so much about the story but rather the person. Poe didn't have the best life. He was an alcoholic, maybe bipolar, and was distraught over the loss of women whom he loved throughout his life.
high_time wrote...
most of the things I wrote nowadays only consists of very short chapters such as these. idk maybe i should put on more effort Don't worry about it. My main work has been waiting for completion for over 6 years. I've started several short stories, unfinished, and two essays, also unfinished. Right now, I'm essentially training: reading and vocabulary, only 875 words to memorize and write sentences for.
Would anyone be interested in a Topic on grammar? If people are interested, I'll likely place it in Writing and Fanfiction, but, first, people need to be interested.
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as for me i'm mainly do these short-writeups to figure out something. expressing some points so I can discover things I haven't really think about. and thus it can better my life =D
for writing stories my main focus is mainly about having fun. like trying to adapt a version of a dream journal and develop things from it. just write whatever without trying to make sense of it. I have problems with making sense of my stories and it somehow becomes a hindrance when all I want to do is just merely describing things as I imagine in my head.
i think d or xenon would be more interested in grammar thingies.
for writing stories my main focus is mainly about having fun. like trying to adapt a version of a dream journal and develop things from it. just write whatever without trying to make sense of it. I have problems with making sense of my stories and it somehow becomes a hindrance when all I want to do is just merely describing things as I imagine in my head.
i think d or xenon would be more interested in grammar thingies.
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high_time wrote...
i think d or xenon would be more interested in grammar thingies.If we make a topic about grammar, I'll participate in it, but it's not like it's a subject I'm interested in because I find it fun. It's just necessary, so I know a thing or two about it.
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xninebreaker
FAKKU Writer
Xenon wrote...
In other news, I played To the Moon recently. It's on Steam and it's a literary field trip. A wonderful story.I remember reading that maybe a year or so ago. That was indeed quite the read. I thought the music was phenomenal, you don't get that kind of quality very often.
On the note of stories on Steam, the visual novel Narcissu has recently been put up for free on Steam. If you've got time, it's a great piece of work to read. I'm quite glad that Steam picked it up.
leonard267 wrote...
Did you read high and my response to your prompt? That said high has come up with another prompt.I'll have to get to it soon then. Been relatively busy as of late.
The Logophile wrote...
Would anyone be interested in a Topic on grammar? If people are interested, I'll likely place it in Writing and Fanfiction, but, first, people need to be interested.I find the recent conversations about grammar to be far too advanced for me, but I do find enjoyment from attempting to learn. That said, I am one that would be interested. Though, if you are looking for it to be come an active thread, even a handful of people will be hard to find.
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Xenon
FAKKU Writer
The Logophile wrote...
Would anyone be interested in a Topic on grammar? If people are interested, I'll likely place it in Writing and Fanfiction, but, first, people need to be interested.Oh, absolutely. I believe it to be paramount for any aspiring writer. Judging by your name and knowledge of articles and prepositions, in addition to conjugations and participles, I believe the knowledge you would be able to share with us could be very educational for everyone in the section. We might even sticky it.
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d(^_^)(^_^)d wrote...
If we make a topic about grammar, I'll participate in it, but it's not like it's a subject I'm interested in because I find it fun. It's just necessary, so I know a thing or two about it.
i for myself do not view grammar as an importance. i don't really speak english in my country and such. the only think to do is i understand what I write. the forcing of proper grammar usage makes my writings kinda emotionless and i hate it. i like to view broken english as a symbol of characteristic in my writings, make things fun and warm. when something is written to proper it can rob the soul of the original writing.
yes, i dislike making edits because of that reason. i don't really care for making good writings either since i'm not aiming for publishing. too much work and too less reward. i guess i also disliked being told to write in a manner i hate.
well as far as i know proper grammar makes things understandable. but i've read few stories with those they call great grammar but still having a hard time understanding things. while some others with broken english i find it easy to understand.
maybe people should focus more on developing their storytelling or simply try conveying a point. i think the grammatical thing can improve by itself as they have fun while they write.
i sometimes find it irritating when people comment too much on grammar and not really the story itself. though it's not really i ignore things 'bout grammar completely. i just stick to the reasonable extents that i find comfortable.