Touhou Game Club
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brok3n butterfly wrote...
Stage 4 bosses usually are meant to be giant hurdles right? Rather, its where the difficulty difference between easy and normal really becomes apparent. The gifs on the grenades were 6 times slower and the one on grazing was the same I think. Have you tried your hand against Mamizou yet? If Mokou is the easiest then the local tanuki should be 2nd easiest.
Regarding UFO normal, I gave it shot today (Reimu+Needles). The bullets weren't the hard part. I was surprised that Murasa speeds up as the spell progresses. I got to the last spell against Shou and inadvertently timed out the green rotating laser spell.
The kind of dense circle bullets that come up in stage 4 and 5 in really stupid quantities is just a pain in the side. Lastly, Reimu with needles is really strong and the bomb is a pleasure to use.
Random idea: try Murasa's timeout card unfocused. The speed boost you get will likely help keep the angry sailor away since the actual bullet pattern is simple.
I've tried Mamizou, and she is the second easiest. Third easiest would be Ran, if I could figure out how to get past that Ultimate Buddhist spellcard of hers... But Mokou's Volcano spellcard will trip me up until I practice my way past it... it makes it really easy since you can practice spellcards on both IN and TD, hence the easier Extra Bosses...
You freaking suck... I've tried everything against Mother-Fucking-Murasa's timeout card at the end... I still horribly lose all my lives to it.
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Zanchan wrote...
I've tried Mamizou, and she is the second easiest. Third easiest would be Ran, if I could figure out how to get past that Ultimate Buddhist spellcard of hers... But Mokou's Volcano spellcard will trip me up until I practice my way past it... it makes it really easy since you can practice spellcards on both IN and TD, hence the easier Extra Bosses...You freaking suck... I've tried everything against Mother-Fucking-Murasa's timeout card at the end... I still horribly lose all my lives to it.
Ran's Ultimate Buddhist is supposed to play like Sinker Ghost, or so I've read. Trying to get inside the rings before they move appears to only lead to certain death. It looks like it requires a combination of unfocused and focused moves to all corners of the screen sequentially. Quite a pain in the side but given her other spells it follows her style. Her "anchor" spells can be won by using focused attacking + quick unfocused dodge + focused tight dodge repeatedly. Stage 5 is more of the same tight dodging.
As for surviving Sinker Ghost, spam your bombs (deathbombs ideally) and remember dying gives back two bombs until you can survive it without a problem. If you need them use the UFO's. Nue will drop a life if you dont bomb her and a bomb if you bomb her. The main stage is similar to MoF's stage 3 and you can get a handful of UFO's to really help. I got 4 at some point which made the stage a walkthrough.
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brok3n butterfly wrote...
Ran's Ultimate Buddhist is supposed to play like Sinker Ghost, or so I've read. Trying to get inside the rings before they move appears to only lead to certain death. It looks like it requires a combination of unfocused and focused moves to all corners of the screen sequentially. Quite a pain in the side but given her other spells it follows her style. Her "anchor" spells can be won by using focused attacking + quick unfocused dodge + focused tight dodge repeatedly. Stage 5 is more of the same tight dodging. As for surviving Sinker Ghost, spam your bombs (deathbombs ideally) and remember dying gives back two bombs until you can survive it without a problem. If you need them use the UFO's. Nue will drop a life if you dont bomb her and a bomb if you bomb her. The main stage is similar to MoF's stage 3 and you can get a handful of UFO's to really help. I got 4 at some point which made the stage a walkthrough.
Ultimate Buddhist isn't anything like Sinker Ghost. You're thinking of the spellcard before Ultimate Buddhist... Princess Tenko -Illusion-. I can get past that easily, because you can hit Ran and make the spell card stop.
And yes, I know all that... It still doesn't matter for me, cuz I try bombing but die instead. And I have no clue why you brought Nue and MoF into the discussion...
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Zandorf wrote...
That truly was a touching story... T^T
Ohhoho, good to know that you've read it, Zandwarf. Don't you also think that the story is written so neatly to the extent that you can believe it's possible to be canon?
brok3n butterfly wrote...
Old-hag is more fitting.Its not obsession, she just has a good feel of power and speed and Kefit used her for a perfect run. You should be very familiar with false worship there, god-lacking-a-religious-sect.
Pomf =3
Your lack of faith disappoints me, Sashimi. Alice is a nice character who needs genuine affection.
brok3n butterfly wrote...
Stage 4 bosses usually are meant to be giant hurdles right? Rather, its where the difficulty difference between easy and normal really becomes apparent. Regarding UFO normal, I gave it shot today (Reimu+Needles). The bullets weren't the hard part. I was surprised that Murasa speeds up as the spell progresses. I got to the last spell against Shou and inadvertently timed out the green rotating laser spell and you can get a handful of UFO's to really help. I got 4 at some point which made the stage a walkthrough. .Yes, more precisely you can say stage 4 is usually where the real deal is starting to show itself. I assume the key point of you surviving Murasa's timeout is UFO's contributions since you seem capable to make use of it properly, don't forget that Zandwarf is still unable to utilize it yet. Not intending to offend you, but I didn't expect that you could pull a feat to reach Shou's final spellcard in your first attempt. Good job, BiBi. What do you think about Shou and Nazrin?
Zandorf wrote...
And I have no clue why you brought Nue and MoF into the discussion...Because Nue is the midboss of stage 4 UFO. Just like what BiBi said, she will drop a life if you don't use bomb against her. Of course that also means you mustn't die either.
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FreeOtakuGhost36 wrote...
Old - Jenkins wrote...
jenny,we should use this as a pair avy during V-day.
Spoiler:
Oh my, Pattsuan so bold. If it's only for valentine day, then sure sure.
Think I can get a better resolution version, leave it to me for the making.
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Zanchan wrote...
Ultimate Buddhist isn't anything like Sinker Ghost. You're thinking of the spellcard before Ultimate Buddhist... Princess Tenko -Illusion-. I can get past that easily, because you can hit Ran and make the spell card stop.And yes, I know all that... It still doesn't matter for me, cuz I try bombing but die instead. And I have no clue why you brought Nue and MoF into the discussion.
Ah yes thats the one. Yukari has a similar piece. You could purposefully timeout it just for practice but that would undermine the purpose.
As for MoF and UFO
Stage 3 MoF: picture
Stage 4 MoF: picture
Stage 4 UFO similar to Stage 3 MoF: picture
Stage 4 UFO similar to Stage 4 MoF: picture
I was suggesting similar parts of a hopefully easier stage to practice so that you can grab UFO's without any issues. Like Jenkins said, the glowing ball is Nue in unidentifiable form.
Raw fish wrote...
Pomf =3Your lack of faith disappoints me, Sashimi. Alice is a nice character who needs genuine affection.
Too many sushi jokes. Alice is fine for fighting and doll making. Zafhner has the affection covered.
The Real Deal wrote...
Yes, more precisely you can say stage 4 is usually where the real deal is starting to show itself. I assume the key point of you surviving Murasa's timeout is UFO's contributions since you seem capable to make use of it properly, don't forget that Zandwarf is still unable to utilize it yet. Not intending to offend you, but I didn't expect that you could pull a feat to reach Shou's final spellcard in your first attempt. Good job, BiBi. What do you think about Shou and Nazrin?Stage 4 is just evil, in every game. I haven't been able to survive the timeout for the bonus. Its worth at least one life/bomb right now. Give it a few weeks of playing and I should figure it out. It took determination to get that far. Mostly because you can't practice a stage without clearing it first. So I kept continuing until I got it. Dragging anchor is where I started continuing.
Stage 5 is one thing. Nazrin is another. Shou is something else entirely. Stage 5 wasn't particularly special, it felt short. Nazrin is more irritating tight dodges. There's a trick to Shou's laser mind-games. No comment on that rotating laser nightmare yet. In general though, those two should just go away and let us skip to Byakuren.
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Old - Jenkins wrote...
Because Nue is the midboss of stage 4 UFO. Just like what BiBi said, she will drop a life if you don't use bomb against her. Of course that also means you mustn't die either. brok3n butterfly wrote...
Ah yes that's the one. Yukari has a similar piece. You could purposefully timeout it just for practice but that would undermine the purpose. As for MoF and UFO
Stage 3 MoF: picture
Stage 4 MoF: picture
Stage 4 UFO similar to Stage 3 MoF: picture
Stage 4 UFO similar to Stage 4 MoF: picture
I was suggesting similar parts of a hopefully easier stage to practice so that you can grab UFO's without any issues. Like Jenkins said, the glowing ball is Nue in unidentifiable form.
How do you know that's Nue? It looks like a giant spirit ball to me... Like the one that appears in TD in stage 1...
Oh, those MoF situations won't help, unless I play them on Hard or Lunatic difficulty...
Old - Jenkins wrote...
Ohhoho, good to know that you've read it, Zandwarf. Don't you also think that the story is written so neatly to the extent that you can believe it's possible to be canon? It does make me think it is canon, and the creepiest part was the eyes of the Aki sisters when they said they were going to go to Gensokyo...
Old - Jenkins wrote...
brok3n butterfly wrote...
Stage 4 bosses usually are meant to be giant hurdles right? Rather, its where the difficulty difference between easy and normal really becomes apparent. Regarding UFO normal, I gave it shot today (Reimu+Needles). The bullets weren't the hard part. I was surprised that Murasa speeds up as the spell progresses. I got to the last spell against Shou and inadvertently timed out the green rotating laser spell and you can get a handful of UFO's to really help. I got 4 at some point which made the stage a walkthrough. .Yes, more precisely you can say stage 4 is usually where the real deal is starting to show itself. I assume the key point of you surviving Murasa's timeout is UFO's contributions since you seem capable to make use of it properly, don't forget that Zandwarf is still unable to utilize it yet. Not intending to offend you, but I didn't expect that you could pull a feat to reach Shou's final spellcard in your first attempt. Good job, BiBi. What do you think about Shou and Nazrin?
Seriously? I feel like I should be offended by these comments... I still don't understand the concept of using those damned UFOs to clear bullets... I'm more worried about having enough lives, rather than clearing the screen of bullets. I try to only go for the red mini-UFOs...
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brok3n butterfly wrote...
Alice is fine for fighting and doll making. Zafhner has the affection covered.The more the merrier, Salami. Don't let Zafira alone like Alice.
brok3n butterfly wrote...
Stage 4 is just evil, in every game. I haven't been able to survive the timeout for the bonus. Its worth at least one life/bomb right now. Give it a few weeks of playing and I should figure it out. It took determination to get that far. Mostly because you can't practice a stage without clearing it first. So I kept continuing until I got it. Dragging anchor is where I started continuing.Yes, like for one good example is Prismriver Sisters in Perfect Cherry Blossom. Not saying the first 3 bosses are weak or anything like that, it's just Prismriver, especially Merlin, are rather tricky to deal with in every first attempt. Speaking of your Unidentified report, it appears that you didn't suffer much difficulty against Ichirin; how does Unzan's fist taste?
brok3n butterfly wrote...
Stage 5 is one thing. Nazrin is another. Shou is something else entirely. Stage 5 wasn't particularly special, it felt short. Nazrin is more irritating tight dodges. There's a trick to Shou's laser mind-games. No comment on that rotating laser nightmare yet. In general though, those two should just go away and let us skip to Byakuren.Byakuren is like sūtra, she shall be granted to you once you finish all of the trials beneath her throne, just like in Journey to the West. Stage 5 in UFO in my opinion is far easier than the stage 4. As long as you can keep killing the fairies while maintaining a rather safe distance, then stage 5 will be the stage where you're able to replenish the loss from previous stages. Better save your strategy against Shou's curvy lasers for Shou only, Byakuren's aren't that simple to deal with. In fact, I think your experience and stocks (bombs, life count) are the only things that can save you there; not by trick or get-go strategy.
Zandorf wrote...
Seriously? I feel like I should be offended by these comments... I still don't understand the concept of using those damned UFOs to clear bullets... I'm more worried about having enough lives, rather than clearing the screen of bullets. I try to only go for the red mini-UFOs...There there, Zandolan, here we're only having a friendly laidback discussion; don't get worked up just yet, save your spirit for the next spring event. Why would you get offended though, that statement wasn't aimed at you. Anyway, the day when we can have UFO as the main course of event is still a relatively long time to go, so take it easy there.
Just to let you know, I also suffered the same problem as you back then. That, or I was even worse since I didn't even know how to time my deathbombs properly.
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Delicatessen wrote...
The more the merrier, Salami. Don't let Zafira alone like Alice.That would be against the rules of the waifu game. Those sacred rules can never ever be violated.
Zanchan wrote...
How do you know that's Nue? It looks like a giant spirit ball to me... Like the one that appears in TD in stage 1...Oh, those MoF situations won't help, unless I play them on Hard or Lunatic difficulty..
Reimu mentioned Nue is the orb.
Then play on lunatic. Savor the challenge.
Zanchan wrote...
Seriously? I feel like I should be offended by these comments... I still don't understand the concept of using those damned UFOs to clear bullets... I'm more worried about having enough lives, rather than clearing the screen of bullets. I try to only go for the red mini-UFOs...I didn't intend to offend you. Sorry. This is going to be what Jenkins said again. Memorize the stage and what parts you dont like. Time UFO's to occur during those parts.
Deli Meat God wrote...
Yes, like for one good example is Prismriver Sisters in Perfect Cherry Blossom. Not saying the first 3 bosses are weak or anything like that, it's just Prismriver, especially Merlin, are rather tricky to deal with in every first attempt. Speaking of your Unidentified report, it appears that you didn't suffer much difficulty against Ichirin; how does Unzan's fist taste?Prismrivers can die like Seiga and several other stage 4 bosses. Come to think of it, Aya and certain kinds of Satorin ware comparatively easy for stage 4 bosses. Ichirin's last spell took a bomb and one of her non-spells required legit effort. Other than those it was a slightly denser rehash of easy mode.
In UFO how do you feel about Marisa+Shortwave? Its a bit strange because she can attack everywhere which is useful at times in later stages but because the area is so big she isn't that strong unfocused with single enemies.
Deli Meat God wrote...
Byakuren is like sūtra, she shall be granted to you once you finish all of the trials beneath her throne, just like in Journey to the West. Stage 5 in UFO in my opinion is far easier than the stage 4. As long as you can keep killing the fairies while maintaining a rather safe distance, then stage 5 will be the stage where you're able to replenish the loss from previous stages. Better save your strategy against Shou's curvy lasers for Shou only, Byakuren's aren't that simple to deal with. In fact, I think your experience and stocks (bombs, life count) are the only things that can save you there; not by trick or get-go strategy.Stage 5 is the light on the other side of hell (stage 4). Those weird faires that throw stuff at you are my favorite part of stage 5. Byakuren's Light Malestrom card I'm planning on bombing. Same for the nonspell where she circles the screen. In fact, the only cards I will feel bad about bombing on are Flying Fantastica and Devils Resuscitation.
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Old - Jenkins wrote...
There there, Zandolan, here we're only having a friendly laidback discussion; don't get worked up just yet, save your spirit for the next spring event. Why would you get offended though, that statement wasn't aimed at you. Anyway, the day when we can have UFO as the main course of event is still a relatively long time to go, so take it easy there. Just to let you know, I also suffered the same problem as you back then. That, or I was even worse since I didn't even know how to time my deathbombs properly.
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Oh, I don't think I'd ever participate in a UFO event... not until I figure out how to 1cc the game...
I know how to time my deathbombs... it's just that the game doesn't like taking how quickly I press the button...
SPOILER!!!! lol.
I did try playing on lunatic once... never again, on MoF.
brok3n butterfly wrote...
I didn't intend to offend you. Sorry. This is going to be what Jenkins said again. Memorize the stage and what parts you dont like. Time UFO's to occur during those parts. I was joking... and kinda more aimed at Jenkins, cuz he's the one that said to "don't forget that Zandwarf is still unable to utilize it yet".
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brok3n butterfly wrote...
That would be against the rules of the waifu game. Those sacred rules can never ever be violated.It's been violated several times, fishie batso. (nice avatar)
brok3n butterfly wrote...
Prismrivers can die like Seiga and several other stage 4 bosses. Come to think of it, Aya and certain kinds of Satorin ware comparatively easy for stage 4 bosses. Ichirin's last spell took a bomb and one of her non-spells required legit effort. Other than those it was a slightly denser rehash of easy mode.No, don't bring Seiga here, you die. Yes, they are actually quite good, but certainly not on-par with the others in the same level. Satori is another story, but Aya's lack of threat is justified by the plot and MoF's overall difficulty. Say, BiBi, it seems you're better than me now; Ichirin dealt a quite serious damage to my confidence back then, losing 2 lives became a regular thing to suffer.
brok3n butterfly wrote...
In UFO how do you feel about Marisa+Shortwave? Its a bit strange because she can attack everywhere which is useful at times in later stages but because the area is so big she isn't that strong unfocused with single enemies.From what I can remember, all of Marisa's superiorities have been slighlty nerfed in UFO. That said, aside from her lovely outfit, there's really just no saving grace for her. Shortwave is the spellcard that grants you the ability to shoot from your ass, right? It doesn't stick well with my way of playing, not to count how awful the bomb is.
brok3n butterfly wrote...
Byakuren's Light Malestrom card I'm planning on bombing. Same for the nonspell where she circles the screen. In fact, the only cards I will feel bad about bombing on are Flying Fantastica and Devils Resuscitation.You must mean "Devil's Recitation", that's one accursed spellcard which took 3 of my lives. Don't feel bad, Flying Fantastica is a nice spellcard; Virtue of Wind God cannot even hold a candle against it.
Zandorf wrote...
I was joking... and kinda more aimed at Jenkins, cuz he's the one that said to "don't forget that Zandwarf is still unable to utilize it yet".What, how could you take offense from something you've admitted? Here, have a blast at your dick.
Spoiler:
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Old - Jenkins wrote...
brok3n butterfly wrote...
Prismrivers can die like Seiga and several other stage 4 bosses. Come to think of it, Aya and certain kinds of Satorin ware comparatively easy for stage 4 bosses. Ichirin's last spell took a bomb and one of her non-spells required legit effort. Other than those it was a slightly denser rehash of easy mode.No, don't bring Seiga here, you die. Yes, they are actually quite good, but certainly not on-par with the others in the same level. Satori is another story, but Aya's lack of threat is justified by the plot and MoF's overall difficulty. Say, BiBi, it seems you're better than me now; Ichirin dealt a quite serious damage to my confidence back then, losing 2 lives became a regular thing to suffer.
Can't forget about Patchouli. Hardest Stage 4 for me after Murasa. Oh, and then there's either Reimu or Marisa on IN... really easy.
Old - Jenkins wrote...
Zandorf wrote...
I was joking... and kinda more aimed at Jenkins, cuz he's the one that said to "don't forget that Zandwarf is still unable to utilize it yet".What, how could you take offense from something you've admitted? Here, have a blast at your dick.
Spoiler:
Because, you weren't supposed to make me feel any worse about something I've already admitted and feel horrible about.
Unrelated Note: I'm going to be Kyouko Kasodani for the PCB spring event... did a random lot pick out of 80 characters to see who I'd be...
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Zandorf wrote...
Because, you weren't supposed to make me feel any worse about something I've already admitted and feel horrible about.Don't be too sensitive, I didn't even say it to you nor to rub it on your face; I just told BiBi to put that point into consideration before giving you any tips for playing UFO.
Zandorf wrote...
Oh, and then there's either Reimu or Marisa on IN... really easy.This one needs elaboration. It's fair to say that Reimu and Marisa did a very good job as the 4th boss in IN.
What makes you think they're really easy?
Zandorf wrote...
I'm going to be Kyouko Kasodani for the PCB spring event... did a random lot pick out of 80 characters to see who I'd be...Quite a sudden revelation. Hold your horse, Zandwarf. It's still 1 or 2 month(s) away for the spring event to be announced.
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Zanchan wrote...
I did try playing on lunatic once... never again, on MoF.This was you?
Old wrote...
It's been violated several times, fishie batso.You can't violate the rules. Eiki will not smile on you when your judgment arrives.
J wrote...
No, don't bring Seiga here, you die. Yes, they are actually quite good, but certainly not on-par with the others in the same level. Satori is another story, but Aya's lack of threat is justified by the plot and MoF's overall difficulty. Say, BiBi, it seems you're better than me now; Ichirin dealt a quite serious damage to my confidence back then, losing 2 lives became a regular thing to suffer.Seiga was terrible back during the TD event. Like Murasa is to Zanchan right now, she would claim all of my lives. By MoF's overall difficulty you mean Kanako. How hard is Suwako? Her last spell looks like a pain. I really doubt I'm better than you, I just have the flames of the fallen phoenix on my side for now.
E wrote...
From what I can remember, all of Marisa's superiorities have been slighlty nerfed in UFO. That said, aside from her lovely outfit, there's really just no saving grace for her. Shortwave is the spellcard that grants you the ability to shoot from your ass, right? It doesn't stick well with my way of playing, not to count how awful the bomb is.Yes, shortwaves shoot in all directions. The bomb is terrible compared to master spark (which you can actually move around when using). When you put it that way, Marisa's usual power was given to Sanae in UFO and Youmu in TD.
N wrote...
You must mean "Devil's Recitation", that's one accursed spellcard which took 3 of my lives. Don't feel bad, Flying Fantastica is a nice spellcard; Virtue of Wind God cannot even hold a candle against it. Yes thats the name for it. Although you may need a resuscitation to get through it. Fantastica is easily the most visually appealing card in UFO.
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Old - Jenkins wrote...
Don't be too sensitive, I didn't even say it to you nor to rub it on your face; I just told BiBi to put that point into consideration before giving you any tips for playing UFO. Oh... I have... hypersensitivity! lol.
Old - Jenkins wrote...
This one needs elaboration. It's fair to say that Reimu and Marisa did a very good job as the 4th boss in IN. What makes you think they're really easy?
Sure, they do a good job... But I've never lost a life when fighting Reimu on IN, and nowadays I don't lose a life when fighting Marisa either.
Old - Jenkins wrote...
Zandorf wrote...
I'm going to be Kyouko Kasodani for the PCB spring event... did a random lot pick out of 80 characters to see who I'd be...Quite a sudden revelation. Hold your horse, Zandwarf. It's still 1 or 2 month(s) away for the spring event to be announced.
Ahhhrrrraaaahhggghhhh! I want spring to come!!!! T^T
So cold...
brok3n butterfly wrote...
This was you?Ah hah hah! No, that isn't me. The dude didn't even know how to focus. Ah hah hah hah hah!
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I never thought I'd live to see the day Jencat goes "pomf =3"
You can't violate the rules. Eiki will not smile on you when your judgment arrives.
Alice deserves a proper fanbase that doesn't only see her as a marisa fangirl.
[size=10]But fans that fawn over Alice will have to step over my dead body.[/h]
[size=9]Twice.[/h]
Ahhhrrrraaaahhggghhhh! I want spring to come!!!! T^T
So cold...
I'm sure Lily White shares the exact same sentiment - but alas the seasons do not shift easily~
brok3n butterfly wrote...
Old wrote...
It's been violated several times, fishie batso.You can't violate the rules. Eiki will not smile on you when your judgment arrives.
Alice deserves a proper fanbase that doesn't only see her as a marisa fangirl.
[size=10]But fans that fawn over Alice will have to step over my dead body.[/h]
[size=9]Twice.[/h]
Zandorf wrote...
Old - Jenkins wrote...
Quite a sudden revelation. Hold your horse, Zandwarf. It's still 1 or 2 month(s) away for the spring event to be announced. Ahhhrrrraaaahhggghhhh! I want spring to come!!!! T^T
So cold...
I'm sure Lily White shares the exact same sentiment - but alas the seasons do not shift easily~
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Zafhner wrote...
Zandorf wrote...
Ahhhrrrraaaahhggghhhh! I want spring to come!!!! T^T
So cold...
I'm sure Lily White shares the exact same sentiment - but alas the seasons do not shift easily~
If you go south, they do. I'm far enough north, that it makes sense.
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Zafhner wrote...
I never thought I'd live to see the day Jencat goes "pomf =3"Jenkins wrote...
W-What are we going to do on the bed Zafhner?Zafhner wrote...
Alice deserves a proper fanbase that doesn't only see her as a marisa fangirl.But fans that fawn over Alice will have to step over my dead body.
The bold indicates the heart of a true follower. The red is the color of the flame symbolizing your desire. Protect your beloved puppet master from the leering eyes of perverted touhou-otaku.
Alice is an interesting character. A youkai magician that is more human than most youkai. She isn't the type to get involved in incidents so we don't see as much of her as we could. By a large margin though she isn't just a Marisa fangirl/yuri partner.
Zanchan wrote...
So cold...Get a kotatsu. Rumors say they are warm.