drakanity wrote...
Lol, I find it funny that some of you guys think you are supporting the artist when you are buying off YJA...
Buying from their web reception is fine. But buying from YJA is no different than buying a bootleg (unless the seller sells it directly on there which most don't). You're just promoting price gougers. If you're really supporting them, you'd go and buy it yourself at the event. Why don't you do that? Because it is expensive to pay someone to special proxy for you or fly there yourself. So that's the exact same concept as if someone were to want to buy a bootleg because they don't want to pay the overinflated prices. So there seems to be a double standard involved here. Just because it would cost way more to obtain it legitimate, some of you think buying secondhand is helping the artist.
Just like the whole issue with used games. The developers and publishers get nothing off used games. Just saying.
The way some of you post though (maybe it is the way you worded it) make you look very hypocritical. A lot of you think there is a morality issue, yet I bet most, if not all of you, have downloaded a song, program, game, anime, watched video streams of copyrighted works that wasn't posted by the copyright owner, or something else similar at one time and think it is ok. A blind eye is turned here because some of you are just crazy and passionate about this.
Now if you bring in the fact that bootleggers make money off it, that's definitely something to look down upon. But dakis and figures, unlike digital software, are not 1 to 1 copies. So in theory, you can say that it is a customized version. You are paying for the material and ink they use.
There's a reason why many artist sites don't have long web receptions (if at all), and only sell at events that are only a few days. You may want to do some homework if you have no idea why this is. But basically, the original artists pay no money for the characters they use. So they are actually profiting off another person's work just like a bootlegger would do. While not exactly the same situation, the basic concept is the same, however.
Don't mistake me with saying I'm supporting bootlegs though. I'm neither for nor against it. I'm just pointing out how wrong some of you are with your thought process. You may want to re-read my post if you don't understand what I wrote.
alamarco wrote...
I don't agree with that at all.
With bootlegs you aren't supporting the original artist at all. No money is going to the original artist. No matter where you buy a bootleg the original artist is not going to get compensated.
With purchases on YJA money has already went to the original artist. So you did support them because if no one bought them from YJA the sellers would eventually stop purchasing these items and the original author would eventually make less.
Sure, you are not buying from the original artist directly, but you are purchasing the original hence the author has been compensated in one way or another.
What you are doing is just justifying the method you use even though it is the same thing in principal.
There is no difference to paying someone to go to events or paying someone who already went to the event on YJA. Just like on YJA there can be price gouges on paying someone to go to the event.
Note in this post when I refer to original artist I'm referring to the cover maker, not the author who created the character.
I guess you don't understand it then. Look at my used games example. A sale is already a sale. They don't get anything additional. The artist is not getting anything from you. You can't indirectly relate them as saying you paid the artist just because someone else bought it. There is definitely a difference because someone who went to the event was planning to buy it. Paying someone to buy it for you means that person going for you was not going to buy it in the first place. If you can't see the difference, you may want to take your fan goggles off. Go ahead and justify it any way you want.
This post was actually geared toward some of the other people who think they are supporting the artist by buying from YJA. People here want to share information. Yet there is some misinformation and that's why I posted. But it seems someone got butt hurt over it giving me a -1 rep. Great job, thinking it is going to hurt me lol. Not that I care; but as expected, that's a typical fanboi response over something they don't want to hear, even if it is the truth.
I am a little confused as to what sparked this whole thing. I don't remember anyone saying that they thought buying covers off of YJA
was directly supporting the artist, I am farily certain that I didn't, and it's pretty obvious that auction sales don't directly support the artist...unless of course, that it's the artist's YJA account. ;)
And if airline tickets to Japan were that cheap, then yes, I know that I for one, would have no problem just jumpin' on the old airplane and taking a quick, inexpensive trip to Japan to buy a dakimakura or tweleve. Unfortunately, that is not the case. So what are your options if you want an event-exclusive cover? Answer: start scouting for auctions. And like Alamarco said,
alamarco wrote...
... With purchases on YJA money has already went to the original artist. So you did support them because if no one bought them from YJA the sellers would eventually stop purchasing these items and the original author would eventually make less.
Sure, you are not buying from the original artist directly, but you are purchasing the original hence the author has been compensated in one way or another.
What you are doing is just justifying the method you use even though it is the same thing in principal.
There is no difference to paying someone to go to events or paying someone who already went to the event on YJA. Just like on YJA there can be price gouges on paying someone to go to the event.
Note in this post when I refer to original artist I'm referring to the cover maker, not the author who created the character.
the artist already received money from another source/party, so the cover has been sold regardless, and the person who purchased the cover lucks out and pockets a little extra coin for their efforts. You see this happening at just about every convention with just about every sort of collectible imaginable, licensed or unlicensed. And if the dakimakura artist places an order for a set numbers of covers to be printed or has a limited quantity that sells out, then he/she reaches their max goal/profit regardless of who purchases the cover. I've asked a particular artist if he had any covers left over from C82, and he sold out, but you know what, I found one on YJA bought it and told him that I did, because I liked his work and wanted to show him that I appreciated it and while I couldn't be there to purchase it, I'm willing to go the extra length to support him, even if that doesn't mean that I didn't support him financially. Exposure can be "support" as well. Were you perhaps confusing that for financial support?
In my opinion, the use of video games as a comparison to dakimakura isn't really a valid example due to the fact that most video games are readily available, mass produced, and easily accessible to purchase in just about every territory by just about any consumer (sans Germany and Australia - they are pretty strict on mature content). So when you purchase used video games when the same brand-new video games are simultaneously and readily available, then yes,
THAT would directly affect the property holder. But this is not the same thing. If one was to buy a cover off of YJA while the artist was still selling the same cover on his/her site, then yes, this comparison would be valid.
Either way, whatever, we're all just here to share our love for dakimakura, yeah? With the exception of the occasional troll that pops in the thread. I don't give a rip about them. I'll still do my thang. :)
EDIT: Didn't see your last post, Alamarco, but I agree with your point on a "sale is a sale." ...especially when there is a limited quantity or time frame for which to purchase. That is really the point I am trying to make in my post. :)
DOUBLE EDIT: Too much time went into this goddamn post. ;P