Do Women Really Want To Kill Men?

And I see your point good sir. There are bad points in feminism but some good points… just need to find them. But as I said we label all the aspects of feminism well feminism, from the near middle ground to the extreme. Unfortunately that is how we do it. I sometimes think they are either trying to show us up… or replace us. One or the other… or they're trying to get attetion and I hope they aren't.

I see your point and unfortunately, the feminists would say that all of that are the roles male subjugated them to yet praised them for. I hold the belief of you that women are a sacred people, and they need to see that, but they think it's us [males] trying put them back into their former roles. It's not going to be easy to compromise with either side.

Oh, this just ridiculous! Double-standards are too fucking rampid. Ugh, why can't it end? I'm tired of seeing the fighting of opinions and convictions.

Because it's my duty and our duties as Men. A female's beauty is most sacred, and no, throwing away her life or the life of her newborns or her own sacred sexual beauty in the name of "It's my body", is not beauty. It's discrimination against the female!

"It's my duty"? Wow, that's sick: the lives of women are not for men to control or dictate, just as the lives of men are not for women to control/dictate.
To say that it's your "duty" to protect female-kind is a backwards, chivalry-based notion. And surely you realize that chivalry, by definition, stems from wanting to care for those "too weak to fend for themselves". Really?

It's not discrimination against the female for a FEMALE to chose her own way to BE FEMALE.

Female is a sex. Nothing more. It does not require femininity, feminine social norms, or feminine stereotypes of behavior.

Feminine =/= exclusive to the female sex, nor should it be forced upon it.

Barbie series was out in mass production, and so invoked the imagination of a young girl.

I refuse to bare her in a world, where as she grows up she's told that it's okay to kill a child in the name of her own "right". She deserves much better than that

There's no equality to be had in the defile of the sacred feminine, just so that they can "feel" equal to men. And gee, just how equal indeed....Relationships and marriages are at an all-time worst, women are choosing "bad boys" that frankly don't and shouldn't fit them at all.

The average female worker might be paid a couple of dollars less but this is the exact problem with Feminism: It's symbolic at best, is that dollar or two really discriminatory?

It's absolutely discrimination for the female to 'choose' to destroy herself, she's belittling her own qualities, just to chase after a dream of becoming 'equal' with a male.

I merely defend the rights of females to be females, as is their inherent nature and it's their ultimate form of existence.

And from a selfish perspective, if we wanted to date a guy, we would. There's a reason we wanna date gals, gals. It's because you're gals.

I'm just dropping in to argue against a few points made by LustfulAngel.





Never did I actually argue they should aspire to look like a barbie doll, or anything else for that matter. What I argued was, for all of the negatives that might have been involved, the toy invoked imagination in the feminine. And if you haven't noticed(and I'm sure you have), we have such a lack of advertisement today for similar products for young women to be able to engage their imagination.





Nevermind my beliefs, I politically state it to be law. In any other case, where a person would deliberately and intentionally end the life of another, we call it capital murder. This isn't a topic as it regards Abortion and let's not detract it, this is about how such factors in feminism has destroyed the feminine. But if I were president, abortion would be outlawed as capital murder. I will, of course invoke the necessary "medical issues", that has remained as the lone justification for this murder. It is however, my hope that within 5-10 years time that we find a medical solution that will abdicate that remaining excuse for this utterly horrific practice.

I find it absolutely silly that you proclaim I would be "oppressing" my would-be daughter, without recognizing the fact that abortion is the pernament oppression of the fetus's right to life. Nor do I consider it oppression at any rate, parents felt the need to regulate their children and keep them from making the wrong decisions. I refuse to allow my future daughter to think it's okay to be a murderer, as long as the life is in her sanctity. Hell, I will invoke within her the social responsibility she has, that the very fact that it's in her sanctity compels a humane duty upon her to naturally go through the pregnancy process.

To show everyone the deadly results of feminism, this quote is absolutely perfect: "When you grow a uterus, feel free to throw that opinion around. Until then, it is null and void."

She's implying that the social rights and responsibilities to protect a child are null and void, for a male because he doesn't have to go through the "pain" of childbirth. This is such an offensive statement that it borderlines on shocking how acceptable it is and how mainstream it is.

A Question: No less then a century ago, could a female have even contemplated uttering the words that you just spoke? Once upon a time, the pain of childbirth was offset by the wonders and the excitements of building a family with a loved one. Now you just view it as disposable, like the child itself. Also, you make the incorrect, naieve and intellectually foolish mistake of implying that the male doesn't go through the same pain.

Yes, we so enjoy you having your intestines ripped out by the baby's movements. It makes us scream in ecstasy when you're in pain. Far from it, but rather a true male would encourage his significant other as she's giving birth, being by her side and sharing the moment where the fruits of their love and labor have been fulfilled.

Or at least, that's how it was until the advent of feminism, the curse and degeneration of the female.





I fundamentally disagree, if it were merely about a woman's social rights then the movement would've had more progression then it actually had. But even if silently, I firmly believe there isn't a man so cowardly enough and without moral to simply stand there and watch the destruction of the feminine. The "It's your body" stance has led to a femininity that no longer exists. To an open sexuality that makes the female's former beliefs in love, absolutely meaningless.

Why should a male be loyal and faithful if a woman doesn't hold that stature to herself? Once upon a time, a woman's trust was the hardest to gain and thereby, the prize for which any male could pridefully say he obtained. Likewise, in just returns the male's infinite protective love for his female counterpart is what allowed humanity to prosper into the 21st century.

With the divisiveness and the lack of feminine beauty in this and likely future generations, I have fear for the human race. It's already happening in Japan and soon other parts of the world.



It's absolutely discrimination for the female to 'choose' to destroy herself, she's belittling her own qualities, just to chase after a dream of becoming 'equal' with a male.

You are attempting to argue that when women choose to dress, act, or portray themselves in a way that is contradictory to your idea of 'feminine', that she is discriminating against herself. That's completely absurd. A woman has a right to be who she is, just as men have rights to be who they are. Equal pay should be a given, it should be mandatory, it shouldn't be an issue to begin with. Yet you are saying it is a 'dream', which makes it sound as if you think this whole issue is just 'silly'.

We deserve the same pay for the same work. Plain and simple. Cut and dry. It is not enough to be equal in theory. We deserve to be equal in practice, as well.

I merely defend the rights of females to be females, as is their inherent nature and it's their ultimate form of existence.

You're not defending any rights, you're saying that it is a woman's job to be delicate, make the babies, and put on makeup. You very literally said that that is our reason for existing. To be pretty to look at, soft to touch, and gentle to speak to.

If not all men are bulky, muscly alphas with hyper-virility, why is it okay for you to say that all women should be made of porcelain and gemstones?

And from a selfish perspective, if we wanted to date a guy, we would. There's a reason we wanna date gals, gals. It's because you're gals.

Never did I actually argue they should aspire to look like a barbie doll, or anything else for that matter. What I argued was, for all of the negatives that might have been involved, the toy invoked imagination in the feminine. And if you haven't noticed(and I'm sure you have), we have such a lack of advertisement today for similar products for young women to be able to engage their imagination.

I find it absolutely silly that you proclaim I would be "oppressing" my would-be daughter, without recognizing the fact that abortion is the pernament oppression of the fetus's right to life. Nor do I consider it oppression at any rate, parents felt the need to regulate their children and keep them from making the wrong decisions. I refuse to allow my future daughter to think it's okay to be a murderer, as long as the life is in her sanctity. Hell, I will invoke within her the social responsibility she has, that the very fact that it's in her sanctity compels a humane duty upon her to naturally go through the pregnancy process.

A Question: No less then a century ago, could a female have even contemplated uttering the words that you just spoke? Once upon a time, the pain of childbirth was offset by the wonders and the excitements of building a family with a loved one. Now you just view it as disposable, like the child itself. Also, you make the incorrect, naieve and intellectually foolish mistake of implying that the male doesn't go through the same pain.

Or at least, that's how it was until the advent of feminism, the curse and degeneration of the female.

To an open sexuality that makes the female's former beliefs in love, absolutely meaningless.

Why should a male be loyal and faithful if a woman doesn't hold that stature to herself? Once upon a time, a woman's trust was the hardest to gain and thereby, the prize for which any male could pridefully say he obtained. Likewise, in just returns the male's infinite protective love for his female counterpart is what allowed humanity to prosper into the 21st century.

With the divisiveness and the lack of feminine beauty in this and likely future generations, I have fear for the human race. It's already happening in Japan and soon other parts of the world.

Feminism is a movement that has enjoyed it's economic success, at the peril and the downfall of that which was once the female's greatest strength.

What I said was a dream was obtaining the same social outlook as a male, that is to say to be looked at in exactly the same fashion or to act exactly the same as a male. It doesn't make you equal, there'll never be "equality" if feminism continues to pursue this failed path.

It's not a woman's "job" to be anything, but rather it's the ideal that woman uphold themselves to. An ideal that before the advent of feminism, they themselves wanted to uphold themselves to.

I'll say this: If the feminine continue to insist on destroying themselves, then I no longer feel the need to fulfill my responsibilities as a male. Why should I love someone who doesn't love themselves? You have to first love yourself, before you can love another person. If the female no longer loves themselves, then I no longer love them.

Again, men simply just don't date anybody, I wouldn't date someone whose artificial, or who wears a bunch of "makeup" and is cute. I would date a woman whose true to herself, and that woman today is simply nonexistent in today's world.

Partially, I'll admit that I don't watch that much television. But I do remember, that when I was a kid, back in the 90's childhood was most attentive in America. Not just for the feminine, but for the masucline as well. Invoking us both into our respective worlds, bringing out our best qualities. Today, that doesn't exist nearly as much. It's more of a social issue and where our priorities lie today.





Circumcision, it happened before we even opened up a peep :D. Let's not have the pot call the kettle black. I think because that men have a stronger sense of livelihood than the feminist who supports abortion. Also, because males also realize this: Abortion threatens our very existence.

We have no say while we're in your fetus, while you butcher and murder us we have absolutely no defense. It's the worst kind of murder, at least when an adult commits a crime of murder versus another adult, that adult has the *potential* to fight back.

I find it ironic, that women defend the "right" to choose, while ignoring the right of the fetus to it's own life. This "right" to choose could have very well killed me, before I even took my first step in the world. I'm anti-abortion as I realized that fact, that life no longer has sanctity, no longer is the womb a natural defense.

I have no intention of being a father, if I should look the other cheek at the same time while hundreds of thousands of lives are being mercilessly butchered, because a woman decided that she was the maker of her child's fate.

The banning of abortion, is not to make the male the maker of a child's fate, it is the moral highroad that no man or woman should be the maker of a child's fate. The only one who can determine that child's fate, is the child him/herself as it grows into the world. Provided of course, the female "allows" the child to get the right to that choice.

I don't see how you can't find that sickening. Is it not possible for you to imagine yourself murdered before the opportunity of life came before you? Can you not imagine the dread and the sorrow you'd feel? Think for a moment, of the crucifying pain the fetus feels as it undergoes this procedure.








Ah, I forgot this argument please excuse me. Rape and molestation is most certainly tragic, ironically for the very same reasons that the feminine is special. I alluded to the fact that a woman's body is her ultimate treasure and should be the one thing she should always hold true. So I can feel a woman's pain in this regard, I've always believed rapists should be dealt the death penalty in much the same way serial murderers are.

However, this is not justification for the murder of a fetus. Quite to the contrary of a female's fairy tale as it regards birth, the fetus will not develop to look anything like the perpetrator. He might have the same eyes, heck maybe even the same nose. But look, his cheeks are fundamentally shaped differently. His hair is utterly a different color(Of course, we're not going to see the baby shape out like this because the baby's not going to last that long.)

The female can choose to be morally devastated at her being raped and impregnated. Or, she can equally choose to see this child as a blessing(there have been some women who were strong enough to make this decision. Not only strong enough obviously as it pertains to the mental stress. But also as it pertains to society who would so gladly push her to put the baby under the gutter).

Murder, is murder, is murder. No matter what the justification, no matter what the reason. No matter whom the target is.





Things were never perfect, especially as it related the work force. Part of this no doubt was chauvinism. Another part of this, however was unfortunate submission on the part of the female. When the female stood up and said "Hey, I can do this too.", those formerly chauvinistic saw the flaws of their ways for the most part and began treating females as equals.

Unfortunately, the "I can do this too" was spread into some qualities or "rights", that a woman shouldn't have. Because, it degrades women. It amazes me how women are so unconscious of their own image. And when we men, who so value and revere the feminine speak out about your beauty which your dumping away, you proclaim that we're being chauvinistic.

Do you want me to tell you what truly being chauvinistic is? It would be if I said "I don't give a shit, do what you want. Go to a bunch of glory holes for all I care." Now that's chauvinistic. If I just flat out didn't give a damn about women.
Yet, I do give a damn about women. About their image, about their sexual beauty and about the need for them to protect themselves from their own degradation.

A woman's beauty is not only sexually beautiful, but more importantly and you said it so yourself: It's sensually beautiful. That sensual beauty arouses fierce feelings of determination, at least within me. That's why we need females in our lives. If otherwise, if it were just for sex. The fleshlight would be enough.

Women are the most powerful existence in this world, and the only thing keeping a woman from power is herself, because she thinks she's not good enough. She thinks this is still the 60's.

Wake up and smell the coffee, you have more rights now than ever before and the more females properly express themselves, the more a free and open society will grant them the power they deserve.






Sex is the highest form of love...With a significant other. It's meant as a spiritual union between the male and the female, who are utterly incomplete without each other. The same is also had of course, with same sex couples as well(I'm a bisexual). But when we throw our cocks and pussies out like it's just some toy, what's the point?

Heck, that's a reason for the HIV epidemic in the mid-90's. I don't think that casual sex is some "female liberation", I do believe it's a filthy, unholy transformation. It's a transformation that sacrifices the value a woman once placed on her body, on her heart and for what? I'm not going to sit here and believe that a woman can completely disregard these things.

My mother and grandmother both pursued the path of drugs and casual sex, the consequence being that neither of them found true love or happiness. The idea that the pain that my parents and grandparents went through, should be held in a continual space of human time is simply unacceptable. Politics, for far too long has been grandstanding. I intend to use it to make a difference. The difference in true respect and equality for women.





That may have been true....back during the age of cavemen. As the Renaissance occurred and human beings(including males) made technological, philosophical and psychological discoveries it was apparent to a male who was truly open that his chauvinistic behaviors of the past, was actually making his female 'mate' quite miserable.

And if you're going to say that males have some kind of psychological program that inspires them to "mate with as many different females as possible", then you should at least acknowledge the pride for which a male feels about himself, and about the people and things around him. This too, is a psychological program.

That program, along with new knowledge during the Renaissance is what made males now believe that females, women are a part of him, and that he felt as much pride and thereby love for her, as he himself. This transition, of course was not perfect and did not evidence itself in terms of political and social rights until the late 1800's and mid 60's. But again, you neglect that it was due to a protectivism on the part of males, rather than some chauvinistic, female-hating mentailty among the male population.







I'm referencing to how, in Japan a great deal of it's working class is on the verge of being on social security. On top of this, there's a huge anti-dating movement relating to the Japanese youth, as this attitude spreads throughout Western nations, this will be a problem for human development and growth.

And yes, that is a concern. All good things come to an end, but please not by our own hand? That'd be one tragic tale.





What I said was a dream was obtaining the same social outlook as a male, that is to say to be looked at in exactly the same fashion or to act exactly the same as a male. It doesn't make you equal, there'll never be "equality" if feminism continues to pursue this failed path.

Women don't want to be men. Women want to be as highly regarded and considered as men. We want to hold the same amount of importance, with the same amount of attention paid to our needs and rights.

It's not a woman's "job" to be anything, but rather it's the ideal that woman uphold themselves to. An ideal that before the advent of feminism, they themselves wanted to uphold themselves to.

Before feminism, the only hope a woman had of having a decent life was to find a man to take care of her, so the end-all-be-all of a woman's existence was to look as pretty and delicate as possible in the hopes it would attract a wealthy man.

Women since then realized that they could find their own happiness, follow their own path rather than depend solely on a man to do all the thinking, earning, and living for them.

I'll say this: If the feminine continue to insist on destroying themselves, then I no longer feel the need to fulfill my responsibilities as a male. Why should I love someone who doesn't love themselves? You have to first love yourself, before you can love another person. If the female no longer loves themselves, then I no longer love them.

You're saying that every woman everywhere is supposed to be a certain way. That's simply not true. Women are trying to be true to themselves, that's why women are becoming more diverse. It's not self-hatred or their way of casting off their 'true selves'. What you've missed entirely is that the women you speak of, they were not being true to themselves. They were limiting and oppressing themselves by conforming to a standard of beauty created by other people.

You have absolutely no right to say what a woman is. A woman is a woman, and how she chooses to dress is how chooses to express herself. Learn to love how a woman expresses herself, and stop assuming that there's a one-size-fits-all standard of 'femininity'.

Again, men simply just don't date anybody, I wouldn't date someone whose artificial, or who wears a bunch of "makeup" and is cute. I would date a woman whose true to herself, and that woman today is simply nonexistent in today's world.

That sentence is directly contradictory with your previous one. You don't want a woman to be herself, you want a woman to be your idea of feminine. That's what this boils down to. It's not about love or self-acceptance, because if it was.. you would open your eyes and realize that that's what the movement is all about.

Women breaking free from the standards set by society. Women saying 'fuck it' to all the pressures put on by them by the media, by their families, by men like you.

Women want to be themselves, dress their own way, live their own way, work their own way, and get paid for the job they do.

That's what it's all about. Period.

In China, when I go to the pool, I get denied entrance for wearing swimming trunks because apparently men are only allowed to wear triangular speedos. While women are free to choose whatever swimwear they choose as a way to show their power and rights and some other weird bollocks that the communist government makes up all the time.

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Wow, that's kinda crazy. That sounds like a poor rule... but I'm just not seeing how it belongs in this thread.

We're talking about women "wanting to kill" men, mostly.

The female can choose to be morally devastated at her being raped and impregnated. Or, she can equally choose to see this child as a blessing(there have been some women who were strong enough to make this decision. Not only strong enough obviously as it pertains to the mental stress. But also as it pertains to society who would so gladly push her to put the baby under the gutter).

Saying a rape victim should see a child that results from it as a blessing is one of the most disrespectful things i've heard. Raising a child is hard fucking work, both emotionally and financially. If a women who knows she does not have the money or time to take care of the child and happens to get raped,are you really going to tell her she should have the baby anyways?

I really hate the concept of: We have a terrible means of methods of dealing with a situation, I know, let's use a "what if" scenario to conjecture up an excuse that justifies said terrible means. It's not a permissible argument intellectually :D.

Why do rapes happen to begin with? That might be the more pressing question, and I think a great deal is again, due to social media. A social media that actively sexualizes the feminine, as well as a social rejection of the male who becomes depressed, sexually frustrated and ultimately a rapist.