Double Standard for Age Of Consent?

Yes, and as I said, not enough is done about it in Japan. They introduced a new "youth protection law" in Tokyo, where the age is 18, but that's what made it to newspapers. The reality is it only stops PAID sex with kids under 18. Consensual sex with minors in situations where authority is not in play is still A-OK. But as I've said in many threads, as much as I think there is to benefit from living in Japan - there is a lot that needs to be fixed. Badly. But I take that huge negative (from my standpoint) along with the major positives that come along with it.

I understand men being able to be topless. I would not be against a law requiring them to cover up. Or allowing women to not wear tops if they chose. Not that it would make a difference here, as I'd imagine most women would shy away from it - well, unless it became "fashion". I do not feel strongly one way or the other on that topic, except where and if it would allow young females to go around topless.

I personally know of males who are under 16 who have been manipulated. They deserve protection, too, even despite younger males wanting to get it on with older females. Although generally manipulation and other such horrible things happen from older males to younger females, that does not mean that younger males are impervious to such problems.

I'm also a parent, this may help you understand why my views rotate around protecting the young as opposed to helping minors get it on with older women who want to. Their patience is a small price to pay for the protection of those who need it.

And really, given how few of these older female younger male stories you hear of are NOT people in authority (babysitter, teacher, teacher's assistant, etc) anyhow, they would all still be highly illegal. Even in countries where the AOC is younger, there is a clause that states that the older cannot be in a position of power or authority over the younger, and I think you'd agree that that rule is good regardless of the situation. Or I'd hope, because if you're okay with teacher-student relations, then you just have your mind buried in manga or are recalling a past teacher you had the hots for/a current teacher you do have the hots for.

But is your rationale for believing that 13 is not a good cutoff? Btw, did you view the link I posted?

My rationale is since I know of younger boys - of up to 15 - who have suffered from manipulation at the hands of older women - and this isn't even women in positions of power or influence. That is my rationale for believing that 13 is not a good cutoff, and it's valid in my opinion.

At least, it's strong enough to counter the opposing view. When what's being argued for is the right for young teens to have sex against the need to protect younger teens from manipulation or worse, protection always wins out. At least from a parent's point of view. Especially when we're not saying these kids can't have sex at ALL, just not with people significantly older than them. It's not limiting them, they can still find girls or boys their own age. There is no logical reason to lower the AOC just because some - or even most - of the young males can handle a relationship with an older woman. There are still those who can't, and they have to be protected.

Do you have children?

Well in your case it doesn't need to be lower. The fact that most of them can is a logical way to consider it a cut-off as there is most likely a very small a percentage of 18 year olds that can't these relationships.[/quote]

And here's where it will never change, so I don't see a point in going further with someone who sees it as you do. I see the minority - when they are suffering - as worth protecting, and you will always see them as a roadblock.

And a nephew is not the same thing as a son. Not even close. I guess that's a good reason as to why you see it as a roadblock.

Best way of protecting them? Keep the AOC the same. Then you don't give an open door to predators or people who are too old for these young boys anyhow.

We disagree on that, as you're keen to give predators an opening on young boys just so that the young boys who can handle a relationship like that are good to go with an older woman.

Protection is utmost when it comes to our young. And yes, 13, 14, and 15 year olds are STILL YOUNG.

Don't worry, though, a young boy who is being manipulated is TOTALLY likely to come out and say it. No, instead they'd suffer in silence in what you propose to be a legal relationship.

As it is now, they don't have to rely on having the courage to speak out against their predators. People are on the watch for inappropriate relationships.

A) Yes, because some males who have had sex with their teachers have come out with it, and some rape victims have kept quiet because of shame. To state that this shame doesn't somehow happen to young boys who are manipulated by older women is a bit weird. Are they immune?

B) Again, you are going through the assumption that all boys want sex (not all do, or know they're not ready for it), and that all women that would manipulate boys into said sex would be women the boys would WANT to have sex with (were all your teachers Playboy models or something?). Unless you're saying you'd be okay with having sex with ANY woman, and I think that would be a VERY rare case.

And as for Japan, I've learned to give up on many things. I am not arguing for Japan, as there is little I can change - country-wide - about what is wrong. In my direct neighbourhood, and when it comes to my children - I have the control that matters.

Japan is wonderful for many things - general safety being one of them - but getting things changed from the way... they have always been... is nigh impossible and takes a lot of time. They just now put out a rule that in Tokyo specifically that relationships with children below 18 are not allowed IF MONEY IS INVOLVED. Prefectural laws around the country are more likely more outdated. So I argue for what should be (and it's close or equal to what is, in my home country), not for any country specifically.

A) An anomaly, a minority of the situations - victim nonetheless and needs to be protected over changing the age just for boys who want to get it on with older women.

B) Not all women want just sex, some of them want to use their power to get it, or specifically to get it from young boys. Some of them enjoy it all the more if the boy doesn't want it. And not all women can easily get sex. Again, were all women of power and influence you knew hot or something? I don't know where you could live that this is the case.

If it were a case of putting something important to someone's life over something important to another person's life, that's one thing. But we're talking about protecting victims or helping people who can't find people their own age. Get real, get some patience, or find someone your own fucking age. Ridiculous.

Wikipedia's cool, Canada's actual government websites are even better. The actual ruling is that a minor under 16 can be with someone who is older by up to 5 years without the relationship being called into question unless of course, there is a position of trust or power involved. This means the maximum age of a person in said relationship could be 19, with a 15 year old. Teens with teens.

Government of Canada FAQ about AOC (from 2013)

Well your whole thing was protect them - they are protected from who they can be, the predators they can protect them from. You can't tell 13 year olds they can't have sexual relations at all, because that won't work. But by ensuring the oldest person a child can have a relationship is at max, still a teenager, you're cutting out the most ABLE to manipulate a child, while still not flying off the handle and telling kids they can't have sex with each other, which would just not work at all.

The nice thing about that age limit is that it is almost impossible for the older to be a person of influence, power, etc anyhow. In Canada, at least, you'll never be a teacher or even teacher's assistant at 19.

But what you're saying is we should protect kids from peers their own age who are more likely to manipulate them than older adults? If I read this right, you mean we should more closely watch or control dating within their own age group, but lessen the restrictions between younger children and adults dating?

Glad to say Canada doesn't agree with that. Japan, well... they believe the child shouldn't be PAID for that relationship... guess that's a step in the right direction?

Pressuring girls for sex is not the level of manipulation you're talking about when concerning older adults and young teens. A whole other ball park.

The thing is, you can't tell teens not to have sex with other teens. You can try, but it doesn't work. You can make a law prohibiting sexual relations between adults and teens, and this should and... in Canada... is done. There is no reason the 15 year old or whatever can't wait until he's 16 to get it on with an older woman. The boy is losing NOTHING by waiting, yet we're putting another layer of protection on potential victims by making him wait.

It's a non argument, as protecting one teen from abuse from an older woman (it does happen, again, as I mentioned, I've known teens who have gone through it) is more important than however many 13 year olds being able to freely have sex with older women.

Sorry, there are other options. Your sock, your female classmate your own age, etc. The protection of those who need it is just too high to deem it irrelevant compared to your thing for older women.