Guns/gun ownership (relevant only for USA'ers)

If that's how you think then look at New York and California. Hmm... Why is it the two places where guns are completely and utterly banned, seem to have more gun crime...? Maybe because criminals don't give a shit when they break the law, and if I recall that's WHY they're criminals. Also I'm going off on a limb here but there is no such technology for modern guns that have "fingerprint readers" Jesus people, come on THAT's what I call a tin hat idea... >.> And I'm atheist too...

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if i am a right wing nut for wanting to protect all that i hold dear, so be it.



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Okay... You know I'm just going to say this as a reader of the Art of War and say you're not too bright... Number one all warfare is deception, meaning announcing your goals isn't too good of an idea. Number two do you even know that we're not a democracy? And number three Alex Jones is full of shit, I'm not too keen on the government myself but that guy is a freaking idiot. Final five is go ahead and let them take it from your cold dead fingers, that's not exactly going to help anybody in a revolution as I'm sure they don't need another soldier to fight for them. Look I'm not going to condemn a revolution but I don't condone it either, and if it's guys like you who are the soldiers then number one the gov is going to take you down and assuredly kill you all or throw you in prisons, and then they're going to use you as an example as to why you don't rise up.

Just a rant from a strategist. >.>

Okay, been on Wiki, and I'll go ahead and add the [modern] Bernelli M3 to my list. Now, Question., it said that it is illegal for private citizens to own guns with muzzle bores greater than 1/2". So then where does that leave shotguns? And combat shotguns? Because one could definitely use the M3 for sport hunting.

Actually...now the assault ban's been over for awhile...where does that leave private ownership of them? (or did I miss some other bill banning auto weps?)

from some research i have done in the past. Japans no gun tolerance policy has shown that crime rate in japan is significantly less than most first world countries. As to why? i believe that anyone who owns a gun feels that they are able to have some sort of power or control over situations. depending on what kind of weapon the criminal is using he could potentially very well be extremely dangerous. robbing a bank with a knife ;D? my point is that i agree gun owndership is limited to reduce crime and danger levels of criminals.

Japan v. U.S.

Different mentality of the population. Guns are more easily kept out of the hands of people due to being an Island. The U.S. is bordering one of the most violent countries for an ordinary citizen. Lots of guns and crime flow into the U.S. from Mexico. We've been over this before, you can't ban guns without shutting America's boarders from both the Mexico & Canadian boarders to the U.S. Searching every shipping container in that enters the country,etc. Unless you fundamentally change how society thinks and behaves on the lowest levels. Gun bans in the U.S. would only lead to more violence as those who commit crimes don't always go the legal route when obtaining weapons. Which would leave the average citizen who is non-violent defenseless.

As for the decrease in crime. Compare the cities goonsquad mentioned to the statistics I posted earlier about Kennesaw,Ga. Kennesaw has a MANDATORY gun ownership law and yet the crime rates dropped. The average citizen with a gun isn't a problem and we have measures to keep them out of the hands of radicals and "crazies".

Let me rephrase the statement into a question. Why would somebody (anybody) want to take away your ability to defend yourself?



It's being worked on

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Well following that logic, we should background check anyone who wants to posses loli material incase they have a criminal background of sexual assualt (which would of course be outrageous for many reasons). One person or crazy should not ruin it for the rest of us.


What!? that isn't true at all. City violence does not relect on violence in america as a whole. We can trade shoot outs for gangs with machete's if you want though.

That's going a bit far. Loli isn't designed with the intent of killing people. I think there should be less restriction on the type of gun available and more stringent control on who possesses them. Criminal checks are standard for buying a gun, but what about a psych eval? And as mentioned, gun fairs need to be reeled in with either no selling period or the imposition of some way of registering to buy (like, for example you go get evaled and checked like you were buying a gun from a store, and then you get a magnetic ID card or something, like a drivers license to buy at a show or something.)
Simply put, those who need meds to remain emotionally and mentally stable (such as skitzoids or depressed people) shouldn't have guns.

Though, IIRC, you can go through extra screening and fees with ATF to have more advanced guns? [confused about something read on wiki].

like i care what you think

You misunderstood what I had said, though I should have made it more clear. I was referring to Mexico. Drug cartels are constantly kidnapping and killing people on both sides of the U.S. Mexican border. Mexico is becoming a hellish country where even the government can't keep a leash on the violent cartels.

Good thing there wasn't anything worth fighting over in Tecate the night I spent there. If I ever have to go back I'm going with a flack jacket and some kind of automated sidearm.

My bad, I misread it. I thought it said the USA is bording on becoming on of the moviolent countries for an ordinary citizen. I don't know why I did that, but w/e.

My idea is to have handgun owners subject to random ATF inspections to make sure they still are in possession of a firearm, and any sale of personally owned handguns must be recorded and subject to the same rules as dealer-citizen transactions. No restrictions imposed on gun owners, they must simply be prepared to, at any time, to prove they still possess the gun they bought.

That idea needs work. I have an idea that I literally came up with two minutes ago. How about we sell all the guns people want with no strings attached, but make the ammo for the guns only available by ordering them straight from the government?