Is a tie 'Sexist?'

if I remember correctly this is about a logo on some state for business promotion. thing is it is, women dont wear ties and there's a lot of gender bias in the business sector towards women - though theres pretty much plenty of female business owners. its like saying, business is for men

Stay classy news organizations.

Anyhow this is getting to ridiculous levels now. First Thomas the Train is sexist, now ties? They should be looking for actual problems, not making up ones.
It's one thing to show how objectification of women adversely affects the workplace, another thing to complain about ties.

False. Women can wear ties, they just choose not to in certain places.



I missed that one. How does a children's icon become sexist?

These are just done to cause controversy if anything.

He addressed your point about an actual organization being up in arms against the logo(which you kindly ignored). And he does have a point, although the tie is often associated with men, there's nothing "sexist" about it. Does the tie in the logo foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex? How does the logo promote prejudice or discrimination to either gender?

yeah but get real how many would???

men can wear a skirt too but how many do that in an office???

Ties are a completely different article of clothing.

And yes, plenty of women wear ties, and not exclusively in a work environment since it is a fashion accessory.

Women make up more than 56% of the population of this earth. It is only logical that by sheer weight of numbers that there would be more female business owners than male owners. Whether this statment is true or not, I don't know. But from a link from stats canada that I posted in the feminist thread.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/labor10b-eng.htm

Just looking at the averages of the % that women are above per sector. It's logical to see where the business owners would be that that women are more common in finance for instance would suggest that there would be more female business owners.

It doesn't in a complete context. Yes, ties can be worn by both sexes. And that's quite alright.
But in visual iconography, if you saw a stick figure with an illustrated tie on it, would it strike you as male or female? Likely male. It's something used to indicate a professional working male, for the most part... however, yes, of course the meaning is not universal. And thus, as I also originally stated, not very problematic or highly sexist in all consideration.

However, theotherjacob is using faulty logic to reach the same conclusion, so I wanted to be clear on the fact that images do indeed have imbued power from their creators and contexts.

I see a male stick figure because I associate baldness with men/males.
I don't think it's sexist(at all), even if it's not completely gender neutral article of clothing.

What faulty logic? You seem to be under the misunderstanding of what symbols or words even mean. The creator doesn't give the image anything, it is the person who sees it that gives it power. Just like words, you can insult me all you want with all manner of horrid words but as long as I don't take offense to it, the words are meaningless.

Just like the "symbol" of the tie, which is a meaningless piece of clothing and only given power by the people who want to give it power.

You see a swastika and what do you think of? Probably the nazi's, oppression, genocide, hatred. Hinduism, and Buddism would find that highly offense as their symbol which is the exact same is a meaning of "being good" "being the better person" "taking the high path" "being a higher self".

But of course things like this doesn't always cross a persons mind. It is much easier to throw out accusations and claim sexism when there is none to be found. A tie is associated with business. Just like a brief case which the article suggests they use, but brief cases were typically used by men.

I realize different cultures imbue the same symbols and images with different meaning. The swastika is an excellent example, you are correct.

But unless you are viewing said symbols/images as an objective robot, you have some sort of culturally-ingrained idea of what it "should" (and I say "should" like that, because of course, you needn't agree with it, but you understand the implications) represent.

I'm sure we can all agree. That this world is now a catastrophe. I look at it and begin to see. There is nothing out there for me.

Cause I've got a golden brick and, I've got a golden twinkle in my eye.

I never had a chance to kick, in the balls of those who think. I'll find something offensive online and make a mint.

Cause I've got a golden brick and I plan to kill all of them with it.

This sounds like a song

^Agreed.

OT: I see why they picked a tie:

1) it looks like an "I" which fits in the word Florida, and I'm pretty sure there was a woman on that committee that was like "This looks good, lets run it." It's just the automatic image we think of with business...besides money, briefcases, and Mad Men (first things that popped into my head.....silly I know but just making a point)

2) When people think of business, it's usually "Let me put on my business suit and tie" I know females at work that say they will go business casual and joke about wearing shirts and ties. Now if we think about it, clothing in general is "separated" by gender, why? for comfort, ergonomics, and pretty much just what appeals to each gender. Nothing is really stopping men or women from shopping in other departments, the only thing really hindering people are the socially acceptable norms. Also there is a double standard when it comes to this. People will give a guy dirty looks for shopping in a women's section in a store, while females won't get a second look if they are perusing through the men's section.

3) They just didn't care, they picked whatever design looked best and got the point across quicker.


anyway that's my take on it, I just kinda rambled so if anything doesn't make sense, I can clarify later

There are true idiots among us and it's sad. I would not have ever thought that a tie could at all be sexist.

I don't think ties are sexist at all. I believe there are ties for women too, though I don't see them as often as ties for men. And if they want to say that ties are sexist, what about panties? Do us guys complain about how panties are mainly for girls? I don't think many guys do, if any at all.

I really think there are more important things to make a big stink about instead of ties.

When I think of ties, I imagine "white collar" jobs, and I don't see only guys are involved in those type of jobs. Why would women be offended to begin with anyway? That's stupid.