Is obama really a good Pres? US topic

Interesting... I didn't realize the meaning of my statement in that manner. I could go about this differently, in a more productive manner, hmm.

I'm not entirely sure if I'm a romantic by "I would love to see a globalization of free internet (idealistically with freedom of speech and omitting of "big brother" monitoring) with the goal of increasing and spreading human knowledge and cultural cooperation, among other things (endless list)". I feel this is possible within, anyone's, power.

As well, more cooperation instead of races between countries to fix economical or social issues.

Honestly I just feel frustrated with the realization and complacence of how little I can do, how much others choose to ignore, and how little those who try to make a difference achieve. That if it was possible to change government underlining manipulation why has it not happened yet? That anything against the current norm or personal interest is so well manipulated into something horrendous by a multitude of different influences. That they construct a well organized web that blocks then propagates close mindedness and ignorance. A system created over decades that targets all the weaker aspects of human nature into servitude. Can you, and if, how do you change something that can make you into a villain even with the best of intentions?

When I look at history I only seem to go to the french revolution, as a solution. As exciting as it was, I never believed occupy wall street would change anything (for multiple reasons), especially not like Gandhi (though I need to study up on him, along with some other philosophy's). I feel incredibly pessimistic, being unable to see our future going anywhere other than destruction, with intent to be realistic. I really do think humans are capable of better, but I don't see those who can bring such a future doing so with their power.

I would argue that it's not even within any politician's powers, even united such as congress to fix the issues we now have. I think american citizens as a whole have more power in the solving of american problems. Politics were the answer once, but not now. If all citizen as a whole decides who witch countries to deal with(economically or otherwise) then we stand a better chance of digging our selves out. Not an easy fix regardless but my thoughts.

I was the same way. I felt dejected, dismayed and utterly hopeless as I looked at the American political system. We have 1 party with two branches that actively seeks to divide and distract us as the system crumbles. It doesn't help that people follow the fear mongering and continue to put their faith in a system that is clearly broken. It's obvious the government is corrupt but, people on both sides of the aisle believe in government existing to solve their problems. Don't like guns? Government! Don't like the gays? Government! Can't get a job? Government! Can't feed that baby of yours? Government! Don't want to pay for something? Government!



All I can really says is, if you want to change the system. You gotta get in it and hope you don't lose your integrity amongst the corruption. I recently got a buddy of mine elected to the State house. We and those around us have begun to take over the county level of the Republican party so we can begin to have influence over the next few elections. We're hoping to bring enough like minded individuals into the party that we can eventually force out the warmongering Neoconservatives and hypocritical social conservatives.



You should re-watch the crashcourse episode on the french revolution. That particular revolution didn't accomplishment and lead to a lot of senseless bloodshed. I used to be more of a "revolutionary" in the sense that I felt the government could only be changed through open rebellion but, then I realized that using force that way contradicted my own libertarian-influenced morality.

I'm not sure if i state this correctly but the current Presisent are trying it best to protect it's people. With our no 1 enemy have been hunted down, we have no reason left for our boys to be station in other country. I could say that what left for our presodent to do is to left a legacyat could be remember in human history. As examppe presiden kwnnedy legacy placing man in to moon, president bush a man who started war, and the current president should be a man that push the space frontier by making a colony in mars in 20 years. It's not easy but it is do able.

NO because black don't work and white WORKS like Aspirin effective as f*ck!

I am indifferent. We haven't had a definite "GOOD" president for quite some time now. I like to make jokes about it, but Clinton WAS a decent president, and so what that he was getting head at the White House? If I had to make that call I'd say good for him on that one.


The political system in America is so fucked up. Every election I'm always stuck choosing between the guy who sucks the least. To quote South Park "I just have to get used to choosing between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich".

Mmm, I honestly posted no, because while I realize that:

1. NOBODY is going to be an objectively "good president" because the job requires more than any human can possibly dish out.

and 2. The only "good presidents" are those who lucky enough to be remembered as such by history or those president during times where fewer tragedies happened to occur, and in this case, with both the recession, wars, unpopular movement towards information age military machines, Obama has yet to be either of these.

I would still argue that I have disliked more of Obama than I have liked. I like some of the quotes he's made that make it blisteringly obvious that he's with the general public on a lot of issues, rather than trying to be the antiquated good old christian politician stereotype, but the way he gives his 2 cents to every states slow news day, ESPECIALLY if it concerns race, irks me, especially when I disagree with that he is saying, which while rare, does happen.

The other major thing that bothers me is that he seems to accidentally affirm the "big gun small penis" stereotypes by making every effort to seem "awesome" to his American fan-base, even when he's in another country and should be talking respectfully. He is very much "The peoples man", and I can't help but feel that that makes him less equipped to deal with the political figures in each country, and would be far better utilized as a celebrity than as a politician.

Also, it kinda irks me that this is the president who sold himself on being "Bizzaro Bush" with all the anti-military and social claims, went through with a lot of the social reforms, yet still decided to be the president that thought Unmanned android aircraft should have the capacity to kill people. I know that as one of the few people who still liked Bush as a president I should be happy for that, but I'd be even more happy if he'd at least been true to his word, because I can't help but feel that Winning with a unofficial double-agent kinda feels unfair to the majority that voted against me.

You are saying one of two things here, that black people are lazy which makes you a racist, or that americans politics doesn't take a black politician seriously, which makes america discriminatory. Which is it?

I don't know much about American politics, but he seems alright. The main problem he seems to be having is that he can't gain a majority in congress due to republicans basically saying "your policies won't work, go away". This isn't a problem with him as a president, its a problem with the politicians and petty rivalries. Hey, maybe i'm misreading it though.

Yes. Even a monkey is a better president than Bush.

totally agree with you ,you know you suck as a president when a bird craps on you while on television,and whether hes good or bad in a sense he has little power when it comes to law making other than just signing but its the republicans bad apples who are screwing it over

The Republicans only control the House(and at that, BARELY). Democrats control the Senate as well as the White House. They also had Democratic rule from 2004-2010 in the House.

Democrats in fact Blocked Fannie and Freddie reform.


Why? Check out where the money flows baby

I'm sick and tired of hearing the Democrats blame "Bush" or "Republicans" or anything else for what will be an 8 year term. The greatest testimony of leadership is to be able to accept one's flaws.

Something Democrats and their supporters desperately need a lesson in. Their behavior lost this formerly blue dog democrat.

I don't think he is. First and foremost he is a Chicago politician. That means he is corrupt for those who don't know what I'm talking about. He used David Axelrod to illegally dig up sealed court cases against his opponents when he ran for Senate. Then you have him going and using the IRS and other government offices to deny citizens rights to vote and to own guns amongst others. He should be impeached but he won't because people would say it's racist or some BS.

Well, alot of democrats wish now they had elected Hillary instead of Obama but let's compare Obama to certain criticisms. This goes into question on who is the bigger asshole. Obama or the Republican Congress? Many people argue that President Obama's policies are closer to a "Rockefeller Republican" than a Left-wing marxist. Obama care = Bob Dole's Idea, taxes under Obama are technically lower than they ever were under Reagan during Obama's first few years. Right now we are around a 7.5% unemployment rate by April of Obama's 5th Year. Under Reagan, it was around 7.3%.

People don't like Obama racking up the debt despite the fact that most of the debt is caused by our defense spending which is something Obama wants to cut and the Republicans want to keep. People have always complained about 16 trillion dollar debt but Romney could never really state what he wanted to cut, the fact that PBS (Big Bird) was one of his choices was an idiotic statement but also insight into the truth that Republicans can't cut much money either without hurting the unemployment. When a nation is in recession, you have to spend money because the health of an economy is based on whether or not money is flowing freely like blood. If you look at Europe, they are doing the opposite of Obama in that they want to stop spending money and borrowing and because of that, their unemployment is going up while ours is going down, even though it's not that fast, it's still a recovery and it's a hell of alot better than Hoover's time when the unemployment was around 25%. This recession of 2008 was 2nd worst to the recession regardless of who caused it (Clinton).

As someone who watches Bill Maher alot, he always makes the point that democrats should be more angry with Obama than Republicans because Obama has done more to piss the Democrats off than the Reps, such as staying in the wars, not arresting Cheney and Bush, not ending the war on drugs, Not cutting defense spending, not repealing the patriot act, etc.

I voted for Johnson in 2012 but I personally believe that when Obama leaves, he won't be as liked as Reagan or Clinton, but will be liked more than HW Bush, W Bush, and Carter. The point is that, most of the things said about Obama are mostly stupid like he's a muslim or he wasn't born here. Obamacare is a system that stops freeloading and the whole welfare/food stamp schitck have been proven to be lies. I think he's mediocre but only time will tell in his 2nd term. But he is definitely a Rockefeller Republican but Nelson Rockefeller's standards.

Citation needed. Most people are familiar with Hilary's attempt at government healthcare back in the early 90's but, hearing the Bob Dole angle is interesting if a bit hard to believe.




Our defense budget is so large because we subsidize the defense of wealthy nations which allows them to spend less per capita on their military and instead funnel the money into social programs. If the U.S closed some overseas bases, we'd be spending a lot less on defense and the nations we subsidize would in turn be required to spend more on their own defenses which would cut into their social programs.



Government spending only artificially inflates the economy while at the same time distorting everything associated with the economy such as devaluing their currency. Japan's lost decade(s) are a testament that government spending does not end a recession.



If you believe in the Democrat vs Republican charade going on in Washington, you're a goddamned idiot. Neither party cares about the issues.

Here's a list of Democrats that voted to allow the use of drones to spy on Americans on American Soil.

Max Baucus (D-MT)
Mark Begich (D-AK)
Michael Bennet (D-CO)
Jeff Bingaman (D-NM)
Barbara Boxer (D-CA)
Maria Cantwell (D-WA)
Tom Carper (D-DE)
Chris Coons (D-DE)
Dick Durbin (D-IL)
Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)
Kay Hagan (D-NC)
Dan Inouye (D-HI)
Tim Johnson (D-SD)
John Kerry (D-MA)
Herbert Kohl (D-WI)
Mary Landrieu (D-LA)
Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Carl Levin (D-MI)
Joe Manchin (D-WV)
Robert Menendez (D-NJ)
Patty Murray (D-WA)
Bill Nelson (D-FL)
Ben Nelson (D-NE)
Mark Pryor (D-AR)
John Reed (D-RI)
Harry Reid (D-NV)
Jay Rockefeller (D-WV)
Chuck Schumer (D-NY)
Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH)
Jon Tester (D-MT)
Mark Udall (D-CO)
Tom Udall (D-NM)
Mark Warner (D-VA)
Jim Webb (D-VA)
Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI)
Ron Wyden (D-OR)

The parties don't care about you, your family, your issues or anything else beyond what will get the party into power and what will keep the party in power.

Both parties are hypocrites and nothing will change until people learn that both parties are the problem

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_health_care_reform_in_the_United_States

Obama was a good president until Obama care.

FUCK YOU OBAMA CARE!!!!