Is obama really a good Pres? US topic

I believe he is a good President at heart, but the way the US Government works, the President has little power if his party doesn't control Congress/the Senate.


This vid is about the Debt Limit but still shows what I'm saying.


For the First term he and his party had to worry about releaction, so they couldn't press as hard for what they wanted to do, but know with this being his second and last term, he can take a more hard-line stance, like he did in Dec/Jan about the Fiscal Cliff.

But Also think, the US is a vast country with over 300 million people, and a fast growing diversity. Their is nothing, short of a global earth shattering event, that he can do to make everyone happy.

I think that statment is grossly overexaggerated. Canada is also highly diverse in ethnicity as well, and has always been a bilingual nation. But moreso, I think of countries like switzerland that has 5 different languages.

If a president worries about re-election since the beginning of their first term, they're just being total trash. No president should ever worry about re-election, they should all try to work something out, it is just an excuse if one WANTS a second term to finally do something.

While in a perfect world this should be true, it isn't. Remember this is politics, look at the issue of Gun Control, one of the main reasons why they don't bring it up, especially during the first term, is the NRA (think thats the group). They know the NRA will go against them in a election if they try to get tighter gun control laws. So they stay silent, unless something big happens or they are going for re-election.




I don't see how that statment is, yeah Canada is diverse, we got our own issues, such as First Nations, and Quebec Soverginty, but we only have 32 million people and Canada's Culture is not like the US. Same thing with Switzerland 7 million people, small country, I know we don't usually hear much news from Europe, but when was the last time you heard any political problems form Switzerland.

Then Look at the US, you got States with Legalized weed, and Gay marriage, States that are totally against them. States that illegal Immigrants, constantly go into. There is Alaska separated form everyone, states that bring in huge money and generate lots of jobs, states that lose a ton of money, and are losing jobs. Yes other contries have the same issues and what not, but they don't have it on the scale that the US does, the Only Countries that have more people than the US is China, which is Communist, and India. Both of which have major problems, and thier own fair share of Diversity.

Whatever the President of the US does, he/she will never make 300 million people happy. It's easier to get 7/7, or 32/32 that 300/300.

I don't care if they do that in election year, but it shouldn't be done since day 1. It just shows how selfish and stupid said politician who does this. Any president doing such a thing should be called out on it and probably get impeached for not doing anything the first year.

While i agree it shows a lack of integrity on the elected person's half. I have to point out that is not illegal and certainly not an impeachable offense.

Article II of the United States Constitution (Section 4) states that "The President, Vice President, and all civil Officers of the United States shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other High Crimes and Misdemeanors."

In layman's terms, unless it's treason, bribery. high crime or high misdemeanor then you can't impeach them. As for what a High Crime and Misdemeanor is I point you to this wiki article

Thanks for the CGPrey video, I never realize that I didn't know how the debt limit, or budget, worked... I've just been ignoring politics for the last month or so.

The reason I go with is.
Politicians have always been those who are cunning, sharped tongue, intuitive, extensive religious background, manipulative, and controllable/submissive enough, to climb there way to the highest seats.
While at this time we don't need these people, were no longer (well half) willing to sweep the problems they swept under the rug, and we need real solutions to them. Regretfully those solutions require intelligent people. You won't find many of them in government (Example, the scientist consultant or scientific back ground ( I don't care enough to know, but he has degrees) rambling on about how it's all lies straight from the devil). Science and intelligent people are damned by half the nation since it clashes with religion, believing that god will do something if what the scientist say are true...

We really need more scientifically based representative, but why would the people who control the system allow for anything new and outside their control/interest? It depresses me how much science is degraded and ridiculed by those who refuse to understand/listen (for example, all the people who've been fighting the reality of global warming like mules for the last decade)...

Expanding two wars, intervening in Libya and Syria, increasing sanctions on North Korea and Iran is not isolationists. He's as much of a warmonger as any president since Nixon (except Carter).

Speaking of interventions, the wiki article says:



So, by definition of 60 million dollars of treason(at a time of 16 trillion in debt), can this inept congress finally impeach the president?

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Will edit later.

16 trillion dollars of debt just doesn't come out of no where. It was 50 years in the making.

Oh no doubt, but that doesn't make this congress and president any less responsible for their contributions.

The Syrian 'aid' is the very definition of misallocated funds.

The crime of treason requires a traitorous intent. If a person unwittingly or unintentionally gives aid and comfort to an enemy of the United States during wartime, treason has not occurred. Similarly, a person who pursues a course of action that is intended to benefit the United States but mistakenly helps an enemy is not guilty of treason.

I'm no fan of Obama but, if he hasn't done anything that is legally treason. Though several of his actions could possibly be described as "High Crime or Misdemeanor"

A high crime or misdemeanor is classified as perjury of oath, abuse of authority, bribery, intimidation, misuse of assets, failure to supervise, dereliction of duty, conduct unbecoming, and refusal to obey a lawful order.

Could he be impeached? One could argue that he could or should be but, he hasn't committed treason.

What can qualify an individual for to be impeached? Bill Clinton was impeached for a blowjob, yet George Bush went to war with Iraq without being attacked first, and did not find any weapons of mass destruction. Ronald Reagan deregulated the economy and allowed banks to destroy America. Nothing was done about the last 2 people.

Actually, the Gramm-Clinton deal deregulated the economy and allowed for mergers between banks and corporations. It's a hidden fact that Lehman and Goldman were Obama's biggest financial supporters(as well as Minority Leader Pelosi)

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cid=N00009638

http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/obama-wallstreet-electioncampaign/2011/07/22/id/404563

In addition to the lax 'regulations' and enhanced powers to the Federal Reserve and we can put to rest the notion that the Democratic Party has supported the will of the people, or is better suited to protecting the financial interests of the Middle Class.

Article 2 section 4 of the Constitution says

"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

I already listed previously what constitutes treason or High crimes & misdemeanors.



Both Clinton & Nixon were in the impeachment cross hairs over their lying while under oath. It wasn't the blowjob that got him into trouble, it's that he lied when he said "I did not have sexual relations with that woman". We could easily think of reasons to impeach every president going back to Nixon and probably a dozen more from before him.

I generally don't have a political opinion, but i am starting to follow politics. I will do my best not to sound ignorant. I think he is an average president. Not Bush decision bad or Clinton sex scandal bad, but average for our economic situation. I think his "project" the health care reform act has some major bad policies, but i think it is overall good. As for his new term, it's too soon to tell. A past president(whose name i don't remember) said that he was not going to make a milion promises but acomplish 5 things in office. after those were done, he ran out his term as probably the only presidnt to fulfill all his promises. We need that right now more than ever. Just the rambling of an otaku

OtaNick

Even under the hypothetical that Obama was really the best choice, that he can fix all the problems, it is not his job alone to do. With congress the way it is... Everything's in the crapper. Everyone's just fighting for personal interest with the idea that the other side will cave to public pressure, and that this melodramatic play their pulling will increase votes in their favor. If not they can cheat their way to a win... Politician's first priority is their own hide first and foremost, that's why the sequester doesn't effect them. ~sigh~