Israeli/Palestinian conflict
Who do you side with in the Palestinian/Israeli conflict?
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Callonia wrote...
Well, dont they need a license to own an gun, so.. I admit i don't know much about gun laws and such. But i'm confident that countries will adapt and change to dramatic events with casualities of varying levels. There's always pricks.Just like when russia hit georgia like last year.
Guns can enter the states just like drugs. Also most homemade bombs can have the items purchased at a local Lowes or Home Depot. So unless we arrest anyone who trys to buy fertilizer we can't necessarily prevent a car bomb. Ammonium nitrate is a common oxidizer in explosive. Mix Ammonium nitrate and liquid nitromethane then add an ignition system (blasting cap) and you have a powerful bomb. Just check out anything on the Oklahoma City bombing. The problem about preventing this is Ammonium Nitrate is in fertilizer and Nitromethane is used as fuel in racing engines. Any idiot with a book can make an ignition system.
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Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
Spoiler:
This is why I love ya mnx. I see you as setting the positive trend for all Muslims. Muslims have a serious P.R. problem in the eyes of the world. The reason why people think Peaceful Muslims are non-existent is because we never hear your voices. When we can't hear you be don't think you are there.
I understand this is a sensitive topic for you but, you have to realize that religion is part of the topic in general. Palestinians are lead by Hamas which is basically a fanatical religious group. So religion can't be completely removed from the topic.
On one hand we have a country that is recognized by the majority of the world (the U.N.) as a country. It also embraces the ideas of freedom and democracy while maintaining strong negotiations with it's neighbors who are frankly not too happy about them being there to begin with.
On the other hand we have a "country" that is lead by a recognized terrorist organization in the eyes of the U.N. This group hides weapons and ammo in the homes of civilian and other civilian targets. Teaches children that martyrdom (which I recently found out was created in Iran) is "fun" and that it is their duty.
While the civilian casualties are certainly nothing to simply brush off but, all Hamas members are nothing more than mere civilians. They are not a standing army. Hamas training areas are in parks, school grounds and any other suitably large place within Palestinian territory.
After everything is put together I believe Israel is within it's rights to invade Palestinian territory to destroy the rockets that Hamas has been firing. To an extent I would support a full military invasion (and occupation) or even an annexation of Palestinian land. For the simple fact that Palestinians have embraced suicide bombings and kidnappings amongst a laundry list of other "evil" practices to further their "goals". I do however feel sorry for the Palestinians who promote a peaceful existence with Israel as Hamas and other groups have basically held them hostage within their own country.
Hamas and similar organizations simply can't be negotiated with at this point in time. Their goals are clearly the destruction (and in some cases the invasion) of the west.
And the PR system itself is impossible to create because of the reasons i've posted in my previous post. At least for now. So i can only ask you guys to see past all the bad publications, the idiotic acts of those who calls themselves the face of Islam, conspiracy and news about "Islam" and seek the truth.
That aside, i agree with your statement that religion can't be put aside in this argumentation, as it's one of the central issue in this conflict.
But i think religion is one of the factor that caused the conflict, so instead of talking about religion we should talk about the ways to stop the conflict.
Invasion is one of many ways that could finish the conflict, although it's not the most peaceful way of ending it. I see your concerns about Hamas = civilians, but still, i think not all civilians = Hamas.
There will still be killings and bloodshed, with innocent civilians caught in the middle.
I'd say that the UN(or anybody competent enough) should just create DMZ a la North-South Korea. Try to make those damn Hamas and the Israelis sign a cease fire treaty, divide the territory, make Jerusalem a neutral zone, and put a DMZ inbetween the borders. Disarm those frickin' rockets that bombards the Israelis. And make all those bombing sorties the Israelis run stops.
That might sound hard to do, but if a totalitarian country(with a cult-like support from its civilians)like North Korea could settle with DMZ, why can't Palestine and Israel?
Some country got to take over here. USA, perhaps? They did one hell of a job DMZ-ing North and South Korea. UN is not competent enough to do this. And this could be a chance for USA to reform their current bad image in the world.
Two birds with a stone.
Oh, and i love you too, FPOD, in the most non-homosexual way possible.
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And Now Hezbollah Joined the Party by Firing Rockets to Israel from Lebanon...and They Blatantly Admit that...Anyone here thinks that This will be the cause of the World War 3 if it's dragged a while longer??
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mnx wrote...
Yes, the biggest problem that lies within the bad image of Islam is that Islam have no reliable PR system, if any. Most of you might think that Hamas = all Muslims, but that is completely wrong.mnx wrote...
But i think religion is one of the factor that caused the conflict, so instead of talking about religion we should talk about the ways to stop the conflict.Invasion is one of many ways that could finish the conflict, although it's not the most peaceful way of ending it. I see your concerns about Hamas = civilians, but still, i think not all civilians = Hamas.
There will still be killings and bloodshed, with innocent civilians caught in the middle.
I'd say that the UN(or anybody competent enough) should just create DMZ a la North-South Korea. Try to make those damn Hamas and the Israelis sign a cease fire treaty, divide the territory, make Jerusalem a neutral zone, and put a DMZ inbetween the borders. Disarm those frickin' rockets that bombards the Israelis. And make all those bombing sorties the Israelis run stops.
That might sound hard to do, but if a totalitarian country(with a cult-like support from its civilians)like North Korea could settle with DMZ, why can't Palestine and Israel?
a DMZ is a popular idea but, how do you enforce the rockets? Those rockets can be set up by a two man squad. Fired then stashed away in minutes. Those things are so easy to work I could probably pick one up and figure out how to work the thing in minutes. In a "bare bones" example they are a metal tube, a rocket and a ignition system. A model rocket ignition is all it takes to set one on its way. The things have a range of a couple miles but, have no guidance system and are extremely inaccurate
Shinichi Miyamoto wrote...
And Now Hezbollah Joined the Party by Firing Rockets to Israel from Lebanon...and They Blatantly Admit that...Anyone here thinks that This will be the cause of the World War 3 if it's dragged a while longer??From what I heard Hezbollah was denying firing the rockets. Interesting that you heard the opposite. Where did you hear that from? I think I heard either from Fox News or more likely CNN Headline News on Morning Express.
I don't think this will lead to WW3. Unless Iran steps in with a standing military force. Egypt won't do shit to Israel especially after getting their asses beat twice by the Israeli people. Lebanon is a maybe but, I doubt it. Since Hamas can be linked back to Iran..it's up to them if they want to set off a global war. In the current situation. If we went WW3. The allies would beat the piss out of Iran and any of it's allies. Their equipment is aging and outdated. All they have it men willing to blow themselves up. As General Patton once said
“The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.”
GameON wrote...
What ever happen to the road map of peace? Or whatever it was called.I think they lost the map when Ariel Sharon had a stroke. Either that or they can't read Sharon's handwritting.
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Ah...anyway...Mnx...and also kaimax....I'd like you to see...How stupid our people can be at commenting this....
http://www.kaskus.us/forumdisplay.php?f=250
Just open one of Israel-Hamas Topic, and You'll see all they can say are something Like "Israel are like Animals", "Israel Must Die", "Israel this and blah"...gah...I'm disgusted by the Foolishness of our people....it's not like I say Israel is right or anything, it's just their one-sided view and also their Stupid comments that makes me sick....
ah..and FPOD...I heard that from my local news program couple of hours ago...
http://www.kaskus.us/forumdisplay.php?f=250
Just open one of Israel-Hamas Topic, and You'll see all they can say are something Like "Israel are like Animals", "Israel Must Die", "Israel this and blah"...gah...I'm disgusted by the Foolishness of our people....it's not like I say Israel is right or anything, it's just their one-sided view and also their Stupid comments that makes me sick....
ah..and FPOD...I heard that from my local news program couple of hours ago...
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http://www.kaskus.us/showthread.php?s=04ffdeb522cc8da1867ea136c1dc07e0&t=1330479
Vladimir Putin's thread has been locked, He's not happy. He now have to take time out of his golf to invade some random country in revenge.
Vladimir Putin's thread has been locked, He's not happy. He now have to take time out of his golf to invade some random country in revenge.
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mibuchiha
Fakku Elder
Shinichi Miyamoto wrote...
Ah...anyway...Mnx...and also kaimax....I'd like you to see...How stupid our people can be at commenting this....http://www.kaskus.us/forumdisplay.php?f=250
Just open one of Israel-Hamas Topic, and You'll see all they can say are something Like "Israel are like Animals", "Israel Must Die", "Israel this and blah"...gah...I'm disgusted by the Foolishness of our people....it's not like I say Israel is right or anything, it's just their one-sided view and also their Stupid comments that makes me sick....
ah..and FPOD...I heard that from my local news program couple of hours ago...
shin, it's not just there. in my country, almost all muslim believe that israeli are absolute terrorists, crazy genocide addict, live just to crush islam etc.
to mnx, yeah, they're just like you say, taking the qur'an literally. many times a week they perform a hajat prayer(a prayer performed if you have anything to ask of god) in large scales to ask the god to crush israel, and in the case of war let the palestinians win, and might as well crush all non-muslims in the world. i can hear no requests of peace from them.
the only thing that differs them from those hamas is that they're not the one firing the rockets. and i believe this happens in all country where muslims are the majority of population, where they are more brave to express these things.
if these are the common view of muslims, people can hardly say islam is a peaceful religion. putting aside the issue of taking the qur'an literally or not, the believers are reflections of the religion. i know there are pacifist muslims out there, but it's rare. very rare.
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Kaimax
Best Master-San
Shinichi Miyamoto wrote...
Ah...anyway...Mnx...and also kaimax....I'd like you to see...How stupid our people can be at commenting this....http://www.kaskus.us/forumdisplay.php?f=250
meh, kaskus is the Indonesia version of /b/ 4chan, the don't have any quality discussion, just some news responded with not serious post and sometimes disgusting threads.
and what's with the "PERTAMAX" meme, that's the lamest meme I've ever heard in my life.
Back on Topic:
any opinion about the 3 hours truce to let people resupply?
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kaimax wrote...
Back on Topic: any opinion about the 3 hours truce to let people resupply?
A bad attempt of Israel to restrict it's plummeting image. All the food and aid will go to Hamas in the end. So it's like giving you enemy the very supplies he needs to kill you.
Considering the Israel has been telling Hamas where it'll drop bombs seems like a good P.R. method but, considering the general brutality of Hamas. They could easily tell non-combatant civilians to enter the place being struck. Israel isn't trying to start a massive fight. It just wants to disarm Hamas since they will have a extremely hard time trying to rearm since it's smuggling tunnels will be destroyed in the conflict.
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People need to broaden their minds and educate themselves. In today's media, we see mythologies generated to over-simplify the situation -- mythologies such as "Muslims and Jews have been fighting forever." Anyone who knows their history understands that Muslims, Jews, and Christians coexisted for centuries until the British mandate in the 1900s. Sure, there were cases of violence and persecution towards minority groups, but widespread violence between Muslims and Jews didn't begin until the formation of Israel.
Use your common sense -- why was Israel created in 1948?? Why not 1100? Why not the 12th century, or the 13th, or 14th, or 15th? For so many centuries, Jews were allowed to practice their religion under Islamic empires. Salah Al-Din invited the Jews back into Jerusalem after he recaptured it from the Crusaders since the Crusaders exiled the Jews.
Read about Musa ibn Maymoun (or "Maimonides" as he is known in the West) who was one of the greatest Jewish physicians and philosophers in the Islamic world. He was not only a physician in Salah Al-Din's court, but he was also the leader of Cairo's Jewish community.
Read about Samuel ibn Naghrela, who was a Jewish general who commanded Muslim armies in Spain. Read about Hasdai ibn Shaprut who held prominent positions in Islamic government.
In 1492, when the Catholics conquered Spain from the Muslims, the Spanish Inquisition took place. Muslims and Jews were either exiled, forced into Christianity, or killed. Where did the Jews go to seek refuge? They didn't find refuge in Europe; they were welcomed in the Ottoman (Muslim) Empire.
What was Israel called before 1948?
The problem now is that a one-state solution doesn't sit too well with either side because both sides want to rule the region. The occupation must end, the oppression must end, and the anti-Muslim and anti-Jewish hatred must end.
It took almost 100 years for the peace in Jerusalem to be restored after the Crusaders conquered it. I don't know how long it's going to take now. The best we can do now is help put the pieces in place.
Also-- there's an excellent book for all of you to read about the history of the ethnic cleansing of Palestine in 1948, written by an Israeli. the name of the book is "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine," by Ilan Pappe.
Read this book~ it will explain why things are the way they are today.
Btw, 767+ people have died on the Palestinian side: 150 of them are classified as Hamas militants, 300+ are children, 100+ are women.
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any opinion about the 3 hours truce to let people resupply?
A bad attempt of Israel to restrict it's plummeting image. All the food and aid will go to Hamas in the end. So it's like giving you enemy the very supplies he needs to kill you.
Really?
Then, explain this to me~ why is it that just yesterday, even with this "3 hour truce" (which is NOTHING), the "International Committee of the Red Cross on Thursday accused Israel of delaying ambulance access to the Gaza Strip and demanded it grant safe access for Palestinian Red Crescent ambulances to return to evacuate more wounded"???
http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1053877.html
Read the article. The people who suffer the most are children. Just look at the stats of the dead.
Use your common sense -- why was Israel created in 1948?? Why not 1100? Why not the 12th century, or the 13th, or 14th, or 15th? For so many centuries, Jews were allowed to practice their religion under Islamic empires. Salah Al-Din invited the Jews back into Jerusalem after he recaptured it from the Crusaders since the Crusaders exiled the Jews.
Read about Musa ibn Maymoun (or "Maimonides" as he is known in the West) who was one of the greatest Jewish physicians and philosophers in the Islamic world. He was not only a physician in Salah Al-Din's court, but he was also the leader of Cairo's Jewish community.
Read about Samuel ibn Naghrela, who was a Jewish general who commanded Muslim armies in Spain. Read about Hasdai ibn Shaprut who held prominent positions in Islamic government.
In 1492, when the Catholics conquered Spain from the Muslims, the Spanish Inquisition took place. Muslims and Jews were either exiled, forced into Christianity, or killed. Where did the Jews go to seek refuge? They didn't find refuge in Europe; they were welcomed in the Ottoman (Muslim) Empire.
What was Israel called before 1948?
The problem now is that a one-state solution doesn't sit too well with either side because both sides want to rule the region. The occupation must end, the oppression must end, and the anti-Muslim and anti-Jewish hatred must end.
It took almost 100 years for the peace in Jerusalem to be restored after the Crusaders conquered it. I don't know how long it's going to take now. The best we can do now is help put the pieces in place.
Also-- there's an excellent book for all of you to read about the history of the ethnic cleansing of Palestine in 1948, written by an Israeli. the name of the book is "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine," by Ilan Pappe.
Read this book~ it will explain why things are the way they are today.
Btw, 767+ people have died on the Palestinian side: 150 of them are classified as Hamas militants, 300+ are children, 100+ are women.
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Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
kaimax wrote...
Back on Topic: any opinion about the 3 hours truce to let people resupply?
A bad attempt of Israel to restrict it's plummeting image. All the food and aid will go to Hamas in the end. So it's like giving you enemy the very supplies he needs to kill you.
Really?
Then, explain this to me~ why is it that just yesterday, even with this "3 hour truce" (which is NOTHING), the "International Committee of the Red Cross on Thursday accused Israel of delaying ambulance access to the Gaza Strip and demanded it grant safe access for Palestinian Red Crescent ambulances to return to evacuate more wounded"???
http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1053877.html
Read the article. The people who suffer the most are children. Just look at the stats of the dead.
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Sarene wrote...
Then, explain this to me~ why is it that just yesterday, even with this "3 hour truce" (which is NOTHING), the "International Committee of the Red Cross on Thursday accused Israel of delaying ambulance access to the Gaza Strip and demanded it grant safe access for Palestinian Red Crescent ambulances to return to evacuate more wounded"???
http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1053877.html
Read the article. The people who suffer the most are children. Just look at the stats of the dead.
Let me counter with another question. How can you be sure that the food and medicine isn't going to Hamas? Hamas "soldiers" can take the stuff at gunpoint. It's rather clear by their actions in the past that they don't value human life. So what's not to say that Hamas would take the aid intended for the actual civilians & chidren then leave them to die in the streets? The past has taught us that you can send all the aid you want to the civilians but, some if not most will end up in the hands of the enemy. Some if not most of the food meant to feed children will end up in the stomach of a man who picks up a rifle against Israel. To argue against that fact is to not see the reality of the situation.
I feel sorry that kids and honest civilians are getting caught in the cross fire but, it's impossible to remove civilian casualties from the equation when you are dealing with an organization that is willing to use civilians as shields. An organization that has used civilians in the past as shields. When fighting a group like that I certainly would not blame the Israeli people for denying everything to the Palestinians. If you look at it from the Israeli side you would be pissed off too if the people you were fighting attacked schools, markets, or any place of a large gathering of people. All the while firing rockets into your country
in to the homes of your family or relatives. While I don't approve of preventing red cross from doing it's job I can clearly understand why the soldiers would do that
As I already pointed out the 3 hour truce was nonsense. It did nothing but allow both sides to reload their guns. The aid that went into the Palestinian territory would just end up in Hamas's hands instead of the people who truly need it.
Also Sarene please edit your posts instead of double posting.
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I urge you to see the attached images and to ask yourself, "What creates terrorism?" I mean, sure, there are many factors involved-- but you will find depictions of pain, loss, and suffering if you decide to look at these images. People (especially children) who experience such trauma have a tunnel-vision of life. And do you think the Hamas will not use such depictions to bolster their credibility?
Israel did a huge disservice to its own nation, while also causing chaos and instability in Palestine.
The Israeli 'Public Information Directorate' says it is winning the 'War of the Words' in the media by planting and repeating key messages in the world press and using modern propaganda methods to ensure that they are accepted as the unquestionable consensus in public opinion.
However, they have also admitted that when it comes to images, they can not win the battle, as the images speak for themselves.
As a result, the Israeli Government has not allowed international journalists into Gaza, despite the Israeli Supreme Court's ruling that they are to be allowed in. To no surprise, the Israeli State and the Law (domestic or International) don't see eye to eye.
Therefore, it is our responsibility to ensure that as many people as possible see the few images that have made it out of Gaza.
Again, I urge you to see them all, and to encourage others to do so. These children are our children, and your children; these parents are our parents, and your parents.
Your paranoia is rather extreme. I'd rather that a few of the Hamas get a loaf of bread, than have the entirety of the Gaza strip starve. In fact, denying the rest of the population basic human rights and leaving them to suffer constitutes a war crime.
Spoiler:
Israel did a huge disservice to its own nation, while also causing chaos and instability in Palestine.
The Israeli 'Public Information Directorate' says it is winning the 'War of the Words' in the media by planting and repeating key messages in the world press and using modern propaganda methods to ensure that they are accepted as the unquestionable consensus in public opinion.
However, they have also admitted that when it comes to images, they can not win the battle, as the images speak for themselves.
As a result, the Israeli Government has not allowed international journalists into Gaza, despite the Israeli Supreme Court's ruling that they are to be allowed in. To no surprise, the Israeli State and the Law (domestic or International) don't see eye to eye.
Therefore, it is our responsibility to ensure that as many people as possible see the few images that have made it out of Gaza.
Again, I urge you to see them all, and to encourage others to do so. These children are our children, and your children; these parents are our parents, and your parents.
Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
Let me counter with another question. How can you be sure that the food and medicine isn't going to Hamas? Your paranoia is rather extreme. I'd rather that a few of the Hamas get a loaf of bread, than have the entirety of the Gaza strip starve. In fact, denying the rest of the population basic human rights and leaving them to suffer constitutes a war crime.
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Well, my personal, somewhat uninformed opinion is that Israel does indeed have a right to defend itself. Regardless of what amount of land belongs to Palestine and what amount belongs to Israel, they both have their countries and whatnot. Last I remember reading or hearing about this very old conflict was that they were fighting over land and such. Well, it's a stupid conflict that has no forseeable resolution due to stubborness on both sides, in my opinion.
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Sarene wrote...
I urge you to see the attached images and to ask yourself, "What creates terrorism?" I mean, sure, there are many factors involved-- but you will find depictions of pain, loss, and suffering if you decide to look at these images. People (especially children) who experience such trauma have a tunnel-vision of life. And do you think the Hamas will not use such depictions to bolster their credibility?"What creates terroristm?" Depends, it stems from one of two aspects. The first is religion though indoctrination that a certain group of people are subhuman such as Hamas, telling it's children that the Israeli people are baby eating murderers. Other groups such a Great Eastern Islamic Raiders' Front and Hezbollah also use religion to indoctrinate that all others are subhuman and should be killed. The second one is a social injustice though usually attempting to bring a "political" change. Such as the Real Irish Republican Army (Real IRA), Tamil Tigers (Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam), The Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, The Revolutionary People's Liberation Party/Front (DHKP/C), Revolutionary Struggle (Greek: Επαναστατικός ΑγώναÏ‚, Epanastatikos Agonas),The Communist Party of Peru (shining path), and The United National Liberation Front (UNLF)
I can make Palestinians look just as bad with pictures as well. Here is a tidbit of reality. "War is hell". You cry your pretty eyes out for the Palestinians and yet, I have yet to even hear you even HINT as a little sympathy for the Israeli people killed by Hamas and the Palestinians over the years. I know you are all buddy buddy with Muslims but, open your eyes and realize that Hamas brought this on itself. They lost all credibility in the eyes of intelligent people when they decided to use the mentally ill and children as living bombs.
I can't even begin to fathom why you support the Palestinians when you can clearly look up the atrocities that they have committed in our lifetime. Not to mention their disregard for ceasefires since they would continually launch rockets into Israeli territory.
Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
Let me counter with another question. How can you be sure that the food and medicine isn't going to Hamas? Sarene wrote...
Your paranoia is rather extreme. I'd rather that a few of the Hamas get a loaf of bread, than have the entirety of the Gaza strip starve. In fact, denying the rest of the population basic human rights and leaving them to suffer constitutes a war crime.It would be paranoia if it was unfounded but, I can assure you that these kinds of acts are common in shit holes like Palestine. U.N. aid has been stolen in conflict or troubled areas like Somalia, Burma, Georgia, Darfur. So what is to prevent it from happening with Hamas? As I said before they clearly don't respect human life so I find it really likely that Hamas would take the aid destined to the people and use it for themselves.
In conclusion: I am happy that the U.S. senate voted to support Israel and condemn Hamas. It's the first smart thing this congress has done in the past few months. While you are busy hating Israel for defending it's people why don't you read a statement by a Hamas spokesman about Hamas Ignoring the U.N. resolution
The resolution "does not serve our interests nor that of the people of Palestine," said Hamas official Raafat Morra, speaking from Lebanon. "It does not take into account the aspirations and the principal objectives of the Palestinian people."
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mibuchiha
Fakku Elder
Sarene wrote...
I urge you to see the attached images and to ask yourself, "What creates terrorism?" I mean, sure, there are many factors involved-- but you will find depictions of pain, loss, and suffering if you decide to look at these images. People (especially children) who experience such trauma have a tunnel-vision of life. And do you think the Hamas will not use such depictions to bolster their credibility?Spoiler:
Israel did a huge disservice to its own nation, while also causing chaos and instability in Palestine.
The Israeli 'Public Information Directorate' says it is winning the 'War of the Words' in the media by planting and repeating key messages in the world press and using modern propaganda methods to ensure that they are accepted as the unquestionable consensus in public opinion.
However, they have also admitted that when it comes to images, they can not win the battle, as the images speak for themselves.
As a result, the Israeli Government has not allowed international journalists into Gaza, despite the Israeli Supreme Court's ruling that they are to be allowed in. To no surprise, the Israeli State and the Law (domestic or International) don't see eye to eye.
Therefore, it is our responsibility to ensure that as many people as possible see the few images that have made it out of Gaza.
Again, I urge you to see them all, and to encourage others to do so. These children are our children, and your children; these parents are our parents, and your parents.
what, are you expecting it to be like this in a war?
Spoiler:
as fpod said, war is hell. i see no reason for anyone to favor the palestinians just because those pics. they're involved in the war, and naturally, damages are inevitable. okay, kids are involved and it'll traumatize them. when you're having a fucked up group that deliberately uses the public as shield in your country, i don't think that can be helped. it is hamas that is in the fault here. whatever the reason is, i can only see hamas as the terrorists.
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Hmmm, i've been thinking about something lately.....
It might just my feeling, but i smell something fishy about the conflict's publication.
All my friends in Indonesia, Catholic or Islam or Buddhist ot Atheist, well-educated or not, good judge of a situation or not, says that the Israelis the faulty side. They say that because the news is all about Israel's brutality.
On the other hand, all my friends who lives in the western part of the globes, religion and race aside, all says that the Palestines deserves some whooping because of their act towards Israel. And that the news backs them up.
See? It might just be an overblown paranoia on my part, But there could be some kind of conspiracy behind all this.
It might just my feeling, but i smell something fishy about the conflict's publication.
All my friends in Indonesia, Catholic or Islam or Buddhist ot Atheist, well-educated or not, good judge of a situation or not, says that the Israelis the faulty side. They say that because the news is all about Israel's brutality.
On the other hand, all my friends who lives in the western part of the globes, religion and race aside, all says that the Palestines deserves some whooping because of their act towards Israel. And that the news backs them up.
See? It might just be an overblown paranoia on my part, But there could be some kind of conspiracy behind all this.
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mnx wrote...
Hmmm, i've been thinking about something lately.....It might just my feeling, but i smell something fishy about the conflict's publication.
All my friends in Indonesia, Catholic or Islam or Buddhist ot Atheist, well-educated or not, good judge of a situation or not, says that the Israelis the faulty side. They say that because the news is all about Israel's brutality.
On the other hand, all my friends who lives in the western part of the globes, religion and race aside, all says that the Palestines deserves some whooping because of their act towards Israel. And that the news backs them up.
See? It might just be an overblown paranoia on my part, But there could be some kind of conspiracy behind all this.
The only thing I can think of is the sides of the world. The principals of the west are used in Israel. The west is basically Christian and Christians tend to be rather friendly with Jews. Since Christianity is really just a branch of the Jewish religion. While on your side of the globe would lean more towards the Muslim side of the conflict. Indonesia has a lot of Muslims etc. It's a stretch but, it's about all I can come up with.
I've personally been following the Israeli/Palestinian conflict since the Clinton administration. I remember for years wondering why Israel never just attack Palestine for all the bombings. I thought they were showing weakness by never standing up for themselves. It actually irritated me that they kept trying to negotiate with the very people who were killing them. I used to think the Palestinian people were being held hostage by terrorist but, as the years have gone by I gave up on that idea and started thinking that the Palestinian people in general wanted Israel destroyed and that the terrorist weren't the minority. Then they elected Hamas and I realized that I was right.
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Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
Here is a tidbit of reality. "War is hell". You cry your pretty eyes out for the Palestinians and yet, I have yet to even hear you even HINT as a little sympathy for the Israeli people killed by Hamas and the Palestinians over the years. I know you are all buddy buddy with Muslims but, open your eyes and realize that Hamas brought this on itself. They lost all credibility in the eyes of intelligent people when they decided to use the mentally ill and children as living bombs.
I can't even begin to fathom why you support the Palestinians when you can clearly look up the atrocities that they have committed in our lifetime. Not to mention their disregard for ceasefires since they would continually launch rockets into Israeli territory.
I've never expressed sympathy toward Israelis? Are you kidding? Go back through the thread and you will see that I've mentioned that I pray for the innocent on both sides, but that I simply don't think that this "conflict" is the solution to the problem.
Hamas may have brought this on itself, but not on the ENTIRETY of the Gaza Strip. Those children who's pictures are posted-- most of them need limbs amputated, due to infection. That already sucks. You know what makes it worse though? That the hospitals don't have sufficient anesthesia to sever their limbs because of the blockade. The red cross calls that a war crime. An international body. Just because I say that this is a disgusting reality doesn't mean that I'm being one-sided in my perspective :/
If Hamas continually launches rockets into Israeli territory, it's because they see it as defense. And anyway, how many Israelis have been killed by the rockets? 4? There's a huge discrepancy in the # of deaths.
That's not to say that I'm OK with them launching rockets... but I'm also not OK with the destruction of Gaza.
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Sarene wrote...
I've never expressed sympathy toward Israelis? Are you kidding? Go back through the thread and you will see that I've mentioned that I pray for the innocent on both sides, but that I simply don't think that this "conflict" is the solution to the problem.
I would, but there's like mondo long posts. -_-