[Locked] Lang's Two Cents: NOT OKAY

I really appreciate it if you held your sense of judgement and your opinions back because that is certainly what you lack.

A person's argument is not called an argument or expressing their opinion if it is voiced from another person. It is extremely important to understand both sides of every party, which means the good and the bad.

You have not given us YOUR opinion.
You need to read into these things more clearly, what you just done now is offending thousands of Fakku members based on your false accusations voiced from a source that wants to fuck this world up even more.

The media is a bitch and everybody should know that by now.

Well, we all have our own likes and dislikes. Rape certainly is not right, but then forcing other people to 'stop reading rape doujins no matter how much you like it because its wrong' certainly isn't right either. We as human beings are entitled to our own opinions; tell me, when has there ever been a good result from forcing people to listen to someone else? Chances are you'll get pummelled into dust if you buzz around telling other people what's right or wrong. Respecting others' opinions is important and viewing a situation from different perspectives will lead to greater wisdom. Don't just sit in your saddle and holler at others about how they're wrong and stuff. If you want to present an opinion, at least present it in an agreeable fashion, instead of shoving your opinion down others' throats and saying that your opinion is right, or in this case somebody else's opinion that you picked up.

Despite this being posted in SD I'm not considering it SD material because your argument backed up by useless sources is stupid, therefore I am not giving you an SD reply. You are a fucking retard.

I wish I can give you a rep+, but I need to wait the next day.

Seems to me the guy is not replying, should we kill this topic and tell Tegumi to lock it up?

It's because he isn't online. I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of replies he has to all these posts.

He is probably backing off since he is now admitting to himself that what he posted was wrong.

I am also eager to wait to what he has to post to all these replies.

Oh well, gotta wait.

It saddens me that you got -repped for this.

I agree rape culture is a big problem... manga included, but sometimes fantasy is better enacted in fiction. What really bugs me are the comments on rape manga (and incidences of real, actual rape) that say "oh they were asking for it, etc.". :(

Some feminist like fantasy rape and belief there is nothing wrong with them and if we have to respect peoples sexual orientations, race, and religious beliefs wouldn't it be wrong to be prejudice against those that are prejudice.

it's not like it's unreasonable to get upset by the comments of people you don't know. i don't take it too personally because it's not a personal attack, it's not like i cry myself to sleep at night over some comment made on the internet. at the same time, certain jokes just aren't funny and make me aware that there is so much prejudice still in the world (or at least that there's countless assholes who think it's cool or funny to act like an asshole)

I have countless people here around me that find it funny being assholes.

I'm just going to say this. I realize I came off angrier and stronger than I should have and for that apologize. I am not however retracting my statement.

I wanted all of you to put more thought into what these fetishes are and the fantasy they represent.

And also, it means the same thing, even in reverse for women who like rape hentai.

Listen, for the most part I'd be coming to bite back my own opinion towards these sorts of things out some misplaced sense of wanting to belong here. And you know what, I don't fucking care anymore; I'm tired of having to bite back my opinion out of fear of getting responses like this.

And let me tell all of you something; the fact that you're flaming me or rebuffing my opinion like this says to me that you'd rather not have a serious discussion about it and simply write it off as just another moralfag trying to take away your porn.

This isn't me saying you have to stop watching rape hentai, this is me telling you to think about what the fact that you like it means and says about you. Obviously most people here are decent folk, but we're not helping anything by participating in behaviors like this or trying to shut down people who try to call it out.

We are not personally attacking with our replies, it is just you picked out a bad source that started this topic.

Rape existed long before since ancient times, even before porn and hentai existed.

Here is a example.

A balloon + air + pressure + consistency = Balloon pops.

Lets turn it into human math.

Humans's sexual desire ( Natural )+ thoughts + suppression ( No fapping )+ consistency = Outburst. ( Leading to rape, sexual assault, molestation, going to a whore house)

Nature never ceases to surprise me.

Just because we like rape hentai does NOT say anything about us.
STOP ASSUMING THAT, IT PISSES ME OFF THAT PEOPLE ASSUME THEY KNOW BETTER BASED ON SOURCES THAT ARE NOT EVEN 100% TRUE.

It is a fetish that people like to dominate over women/men and sexually forcing on them. We don't like to rape people, we just like to fantasize us dominating our sex partner.

Because rape IS a form of domination.
We are not dumb to not realize the difference between the ideas and background of rape.

Now if you'll excuse me I gotta watch my Chaos;head episode and go to sleep, here in Germany the time differences from the USA are 8 hours apart and we are ahead of time.

First of all, stop bringing up the age of rape like that somehow excuses it or makes it okay.

And maybe personally haven't attacked me, but a lot of the others are simply because I'm bringing up the idea of something they're fapping to being wrong.

But one thing I'm disappinted about is how out-spoken the vanilla community is again this sort of thing and yet not one of them has shown up to say anything.

Rape is NOT ok, but it has been around.
If a human being doesn't release their sexual impulses then it is natural to explode and do something to sexually satisfy themselves.

Sure rape isn't ok, but understand the science and nature behind sexual impulses.

Oh yes, the Escapist is truly a place for one to come across intellectual enlightenment.



Oh yes, it's fun stuff. I've made several homophobic jokes to a gay friend just today. We both laughed. Cause...they're jokes...they're funny.



Fucking lol.



His face sold it.



Mmmhmm, Ah reckon. *spits tobacco*.



Concerning politicians and soccer moms? Wah. Seriously, they're not offended by any of these jokes. OTHER PEOPLE might be offended by these jokes, and the politicians try to appeal to them, and the soccer moms just want to feel good about themselves, as if them getting outraged over a black joke makes them look like 'the good guy' and here's a hint: It doesn't. And this little rant of yours is validating their insane moralizing. So good job, fag.



And that's a wonderful explanation as to the mental processes one may go through after a traumatic experience(I.E. how she ended up handling it, by becoming a non stop cry-person).



Seriously? Is this the focal point of your rant? Anime rape should be taken seriously on Youtube?

I want you to do something for me. Go look up a silly fiction death where someone's head explodes and a shower of blood and gore goes everywhere and look at the comments. Pretty standard comments are how unrealistic it is, and how cool it looks. Now go look at a youtube video of someone ACTUALLY getting seriously hurt, or someone flashing pictures of actual dead people on the screen and look at the comments then. Pretty standard comments are, "This is disgusting." or "Omg I can't stand this!"

So clearly the internet community has a very easy time distinguishing the fantasy, from the reality, and you're telling them, "No, even if it's purely fantasy you should react as if it's real." what exactly do you think entertainment is here for? To make us feel bad? No. Sorry, but you're fundamentally retarded if you think fictional violence should be taken even remotely as seriously as real violence.



Again, fictional violence. It DOES matter that it's all fake.



Hot.



Because everyone has the right to have a voice? Oh wait no, it's because you think there's something morally wrong with it, not because everyone has a right to speak out against something they don't like. That would make too much sense.



And the act of rape being drawn out with totally fictional non human characters is a sexy thing.



It should be when one finds it fap worthy...and...again...it's totally fake.



You're learning then.



It says I have a neurological function which exudes hormones when I look at a picture of something which the properties are that a clearly female woman is engaged in overly aggressive and sometimes violent sexual intercourse.

...So what?



Oh I see. So when I draw me shooting a pistol into your avatar, that's just as bad as me murdering you then. Good to know.



Please provide for me the moral model you're employing in order to come to this distinction. Because so far, all you're doing is saying it's wrong without...really...explaining...why. I don't put up with it when christians and politicians do it...not gonna put up with it when you do it.



Fuck that noise. I'll tell racist jokes to my friends who the jokes are being racist to, and because we have all come to an understanding that they're JUST JOKES, we'll all laugh, as we always have.

Let me ask you something, if someone made a joke about you, specifically, what would your course of action be To be offended and sue? Or to shrug it off and say, "I don't find it funny." Or what if it WAS funny? What if the joke about you was goddamned hilarious? Would you laugh like an honest human being or would you feel some sort of moral duty to be outraged?

This whole rant is just you getting on your high horse and talking down to Fakku'ers who have already seen this and lol'd at your stupidity.

Have you ever even considered the idea that you could be in the wrong on this one? Or is that just too far gone a conclusion that "No! I'm right and all the people who I said should be ashamed of themselves SHOULD be...because I said so!"

You're an asshole, and you don't know the first thing about ethics. Have fun with all the neg reps and people thinking you're a complete tool, and being right about it too.

Then that means people need to find a more constructive means of releasing their sexual desires instead of allowing them to drive them into doing something to harm another person.

Also, rape isn't always about sex, there are plenty of cases where someone rapes another in order to exercise a sense of dominance or control over them, which is what a lot of rape hentai seems to highlight.

Sure in most cases yes, but like I said that the dominance trait in sex is also a natural trait in this case. Like males when performing sexual intercourse, who is the one pounding and doesn't stop when it gets good? Of course the males.

Dominance is also something of nature that exists in the hearts of men, and in cases between rare and uncommon are women.

Since there also exists psychological manipulation through words, sight, or just people having inner desires to show off their power by dominating the other, makes the impulses that much stronger and in some cases gets out of control, and since it was psychological manipulation involved, it makes the person that much dangerous to himself and to his/her victims, since he/she cannot keep himself/herself mentally stable.

I have a feeling that you might mean the psychological background behind rape hentai, am I right?

Hey, genius? I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN WHY ITS WRONG BECAUSE THAT FACT SHOULD FUCKING EXPLAIN ITSELF!

It's wrong because what's it's doing is taking an act whose only function is to bring harm to someone else for whatever purpose! THE FACT THAT THIS KIND OF HENTAI EXISTS AT ALL SAYS TO ME THAT YOU DON'T TAKE SERIOUSLY AND THAT YOU'RE THE KIND OF DISENSITIZED ASSHOLE WHO'LL JUST FAP TO ANY SEX ACT DESPITE THE PURPOSE OR CONTEXT OF IT!

Furthermore THE FACT THAT'S ITS FICTIONAL SHOULD NOT CHANGE A FUCKING THING! You keep going on and on about how it's just a fantasy. It's what the fantasy represents. It represents the idea that rape can be something that doesn't have to be taken seriously, it represents the idea that rape can be something that people can fap to. That's not okay and the fact that I have to explain that to you only makes it worse!

Furthermore, you don't seem to understand the effects of internet bullying. And the fact that you're making racist jokes with your friends shows me that either you're a racist or you're-again-the kind of desensitized fuckhead who can not appreciate the severity of such things to the point of casually making jokes about.

That's all I have to say to you. And you know what, you can just go fuck yourself to your precious fap material you fucking sack'o shit!

Right, you're saying it's axiomatically wrong, which is one of the stupidest things one can do in the case of trying to qualify any sort of meta ethic. See, this is why I said you don't know what you're talking about.



Ah, but who's being harmed in this case? Who? Nobody, that's who. So what we're really doing is taking an action that hurts nobody, and deriving sexual pleasure from it. And you're saying that's wrong. How silly.



Yet again, you've essentially glossed over the idea that there's a difference between fantasy and reality as if that issue doesn't exist at all. Sorry, but whether or not you think it's relevant, it is, and if you want to moralize, you're going to have to bridge the gap. Why is it that something happening in pure fantasy is as bad, or even as remotely bad as when it happens in reality? Explain that.



Too bad, it does.



Because that's an important delineating factor.



Yet again, if I show a picture of myself shooting your avatar, that's not as morally reprehensible as if I were to actually kill you, is it? And why not? IF that's what the drawing would represent? Clearly there's a distinction, and you're simply ignoring it. That's why you're a tool.



When it's a drawing? It doesn't have to be taken seriously...that's kind of the point.



Yup. Provided the right context and nobody getting hurt, who cares? My goodness we live in a progressive world don't we?



Or maybe, just maybe, and stay with me here for a moment: Maybe you're wrong.



You know one of the main reasons I ell racist jokes? Because I don't believe in the concept of 'race' in the first place. All humans are the same species, hell, we're all the same SUB species of people. And laughing at the slight superficial differences is something to be embraced, not looked down at. I would say you're the one encouraging racism by actually thinking there's something wrong with specific jokes because they reference some sort of stereotype with humor. Jokes bring people together, I've friends of all different skin colors and we all make fun of each other racially, because the entire concept of race in the first place is fundamentally retarded, and we love laughing at it.



Get off your high horse you idiot. You're no better than anyone on this site. And by repeatedly trying to say that an obvious factor in the morals that you're trying to hard to push is the difference between fantasy and reality, and that that difference 'doesn't matter' demonstrates how little you know about life.

Let me ask you a question. What if we re defined rape?

For the sake of argument let's say rape means this - "Two drawings of humanoids having sexual intercourse, wherein one clearly doesn't appear to be enjoying themself."

Is THAT morally bad? And if so, why? Who is it hurting? When I draw two stick figures going at it, when does it become immoral? When I draw a sad face on one of them and you can discern, "Hey wait! That one's not enjoying it! This is rape! It's bad!"? That's the whole difference between perfectly legitimate fap material and monstrous morally unjust filth? A frown?

I've said it before I'll say it again, you're trying to enter a debate about ethics and you don't have the first clue as to how to go about it. Go home little boy, you're out of your league.

Once again, you are oversimplifying the act of rape to someone not enjoying a sexual experience. Of there are women who've had bad or subpar sexual experiences.

I'm talking about something completely different. Oh and to answer your question, I would find the idea of you drawing a picture of yourself shooting me somewhat questionable. It's not always whether we act on the fantasies we entertain, but what the fact that we indulge in them represent.

Oh and yes, I understand that our racial differences shouldn't matter, but the attitude you're entertaining is double edge. Because the racial differences we have are culturally based and different events in history effect different races differently.

The issue of say, slavery in American, probably wouldn't have the same bearing on a Pacific Islander people as it would black people, because they're not the ones who had ancestors who experienced such a thing. The rape of Nanjing wouldn't effect a white person as it would a Chinese. It's that lack of empathy or understanding that can also lead to racial problems.

Acting like the differences we have don't exist doesn't bring us together, it's understanding and appreciating those differences and not allowing them to cause us to think less of someone else that does.