[Locked] Lang's Two Cents: NOT OKAY

No, you're completely missing the point of the question. The question is, if we were to re define rape that way, would rape be a bad thing? The answer is quite obviously no. And you agree, which is why you wont' address it.



And what's indulge mean? Enjoying it for its aesthetic values? Or going out and actually doing them? Because you seem to be conflating the two as being one and the same. And that's one of the main problems you're having with convincing anyone that you have anything of merit to say.



So? Doesn't stop the fact that all racial differences are superficial social constructs and nothing more. Doesn't stop the fact that racial jokes are funny to both racists AND people who are just...really comfortable with their race. I make gay jokes to my friends about what I'd do to them if I was gay, and it only gets funnier the raunchier it gets. These aren't offensive unless you WANT them to be.



Let's say, for a moment, that it was western Europeans that got enslaved instead of Africans. In that case...I still wouldn't give a shit if someone made a slavery joke today. In the cases of things that happened centuries ago, there's no empathy required. Something that happened before you were born by definition isn't something you should over sensitize yourself with. I'm part German, you think I get up in arms when people talk about Germans being Nazis? Fuck no.



Oh I agree, pretending we don't have any differences DON'T bring us together, that's why I encourage racial jokes that not only appreciate those differences, but make light of them as well. It kills two birds with one stone. It acknowledges our differences, and at the same time creates a situation where nobody should care.

Racial jokes rule, especially in the case of bringing people together.

Recently, i saw a episode of cops that involved what seemed to be a case of real life rape involving a young girl, and despite having fapped to many rape hentai i found it creepy and disgusting because it involved a REAL LIFE PERSON. So i feel my ability to distinguish between what is ok and what isn't is just fine.

The Only thing satisfying about your post was this:




Other than that, you should be ashamed of yourself for everything you just said.

Well, after a long night of looking stuff up about the rape fantasy and how it applies to perhaps, real life rape. To be honest, nearly everything I found wasn't agreeing with me. However, those articles pertained more towards how the fantasy of rape relates to women.

From what I've looked up, the rape fantasy is actually surprisingly common amongst women. The reasons for this vary somewhat, but a common theme behind them are 1. The idea of a man-in some cases a man the woman likes-finds them so attractive that they lose all control of themselves and take them at any cost. 2. The ability to achieve sexual gratification by having a man or men simply it upon them, therefore taking anyway any control and therefore responsibility for the sex act in the first place.

While I understand this, I still have problems with it and this time not so much with the women who entertain these fantasies, but the reasons they might exist. They are as follows:

-Despite the progress feminists have made for women's rights, our society still labels any woman who expresses any sexuality as a slut or a whore and think less of them, while men freely do the same shit. Especially in some religions, women are taught to believe sex to be something that simply happens to them rather than something they can actively participate in or enjoy. The rape fantasy therefore absolves them of any guilt for having sexual desire by having someone simply force them into a sex act.

-My problems with this are that; It's not really a rape fantasy since this is something the woman in question wants, but rather just a round of really rough sex. It also still encourages the woman to take a passive, even complacent attitude towards sex, that rather than trying to break free of their guilt and express themselves and their desires, that they have to wait for someone else to do it for them.

-In some cases, the rape fantasy appears in response to some emotional trauma. How and why tends to vary between the woman. I've even heard instances of rape victims having rape fantasies.
-This is really a coping mechanism for some and a sort of reversion to prior experiences for others. In the case of the rape victim, because their-for most of them anyway-only experiences with sex are rape cases, this is how sex occurs even in their fantasies.

My point is that, rape is not something that should even occur in a fantasy and the fact that it does is really out of avoidance of a bigger issue or-from what I consider-an improper means of coping with some emotional trauma.

Now, I have to go and take a look at the rape fantasy and how it relates to males, but I have managed to find an argument to help back up why the rape fantasy can be considered dangerous, found here.

To put it shortly; rape fantasies tend to include a lot of emotional baggage and when we began to play out these fantasies, that same baggage comes out and thinks tend to escalate. This is due more from a lack of communication or understanding than any actual desire to rape someone, but it can still lead to some violent and destructive impulses because we grow to rely on the emotional high we achieve from channeling the negative feelings associated with the fantasy.

This can get worse when we try to progress that fantasy, such as including actual weapons and such.

Hopefully now, I'll have gotten something across, but I get the feeling this will also be shrugged off.

Your points seem more valid however like what everyone has been saying they can tell the difference between reality and fiction...

Now if you are still trying to find some middle ground on this subject you are one of two things...

The internet police

or

This guy...

Well, at least I'm getting something across. However you're still dwelling on the fact that it's a fantasy where someone isn't really being hurt. I'm not talking about the idea of imaginary people doing imaginary things, I'm talking about what they represent or what they can come to represent.

Hell, I can say the same thing applies to fantasies of violence and murder, though people seem far more desensitized to that than of sexuality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson_%28activist%29
You might like this guy.

Oh, for fuck's sake, don't compare me that washout asshole.

Jack Thompson is the kind of idiot that tries to get something banned because he doesn't understand the context of the content by dismissing it as a murder simulator or the like.

My argument towards rape hentai is not the same because the context is that of a male commiting a sexcrime that does harm to a female in order to get themselves off or achieve some measure of dominance over said female character

Gosh, that was easy.

Well if any male feels the need to point out their dominance over a woman in real life. They should buy a blow up doll. That gal won't bother to put up a fight at all literally...lol!

Initially I was a bit irritated at your first post, OP, because you didn't appear to have done a lot of research and kind of seemed to be just ranting. Now I have read 4 pages and I think I can actually respond without (hopefully) insulting anyone.

On Rape:


On Internet Bullying:

Well, I'd like to thank you for making a taking the time to look at the thread and the discussion thus far and not automatically write me off like nearly everyone else has.

But, I'm not sure I understand your point, or at least how the fantasy of rape relates to you personally.

For me, to rape someone is always a bad thing, which is why I tend to get offended when I see it portrayed as it is in hentai and considering what I've seen of what counts as the typical rape fantasy fore females, rape hentai seems to portray it as it would occur in real life-in most cases anyway-I see the idea or the fantasy of someone being harmed or abused and what appalls me is the fact that people seem to get off on that.

Yes, I realize it's a fantasy, but it's one that's come to disturb me and one that seems to represent something deeper in my eyes, such as disdain towards a specific person or the female gender, lack of appreciation towards the severity of rape and things of that sort.

Finally, my aggravation with this thread isn't so much that anyone's agreeing with me, so much that no one here has expressed any understanding as to why such a thing could or would be considered bad but rather that it is and would rather just dismiss it because they're interpreting it as "Hey look, the moralfag's trying to get our porn banned!"

Anyway, concerning your argument towards racism, it can and sometimes does go much deeper than that.

I have, however, never thought of these jokes as being satirical considering the context or way the joke is presented, it just seems as though a couple of guys are just being assholes.

I probably sound as if I'm dismissing your argument and I apologize if I am.

Anyway, if I might ask, what exactly makes you dream up these fantasises in the first place.

No response to my stunningly accurate comparison? Pity.

Well, I'd like to thank you for making a taking the time to look at the thread and the discussion thus far and not automatically write me off like nearly everyone else has.

But, I'm not sure I understand your point, or at least how the fantasy of rape relates to you personally.

For me, to rape someone is always a bad thing, which is why I tend to get offended when I see it portrayed as it is in hentai and considering what I've seen of what counts as the typical rape fantasy fore females, rape hentai seems to portray it as it would occur in real life-in most cases anyway-I see the idea or the fantasy of someone being harmed or abused and what appalls me is the fact that people seem to get off on that.

Yes, I realize it's a fantasy, but it's one that's come to disturb me and one that seems to represent something deeper in my eyes, such as disdain towards a specific person or the female gender, lack of appreciation towards the severity of rape and things of that sort.



No one is writing you off they are simply telling you that you are pointing out the obvious. Look everyone of them knows that rape is a horrible thing. What you fail to understand is you are making something seem more then it is. It is called a fetish for a reason. Sexual attraction is made up of nothing but fetishes.

Riddle me this then captain obvious why are fishnets a fetish? Matter fact why is it that people like a girl on girl, guy on guy, NTR, and etcetera. I mean these are consider taboo but at the same time people like this stuff. It may make people devoid of sense however these people are my brethren their is nothing wrong with them. This community has shown me that they are from all walks of life. They all seem too truly trust each other enough to indulge in things they like and also share them amongst one another as well.

You are looking at it from one perspective. Regardless of the lofty ideals ingraved on paper or on servers the fact remains that these people are not stupid. They are thinking individuals and know right from wrong.

Pretty much your agruement is only focused on a said male deflowering a said female. The problem with that statement is that if ANY male rapes a female...They should have been stillborned at birth. Women need to be nutured and cared for they have enough to deal with as it is. I mean if a male is born from the womb how can they work up the nerve to do that to a lady. Now that is beyond my understanding. Explain that?

You sir are confusing a harmless fetish with a womans torment and pain of having such a situation happen to her for real.

The supposed valid point you have is that males who read into this fetish are most likely to have commited this act.

Problem? Well usually Tegumi or Big Lundi would have found such an article by now discussing how you could be right.

This serious discussion is a comedy at best I am sorry my friend this is going nowhere.

So in conclusion, if a male cannot differentiate real from fantasty it is no longer a matter of said person cerebal understanding on why but on the subject if that individual has a mental illness...

Your selective responses aren't something I would like to see...

Just like others have been saying, if a person can see the differences between fiction and reality, then it's safe to say that the person is stable. If not... Let's just hope the person doesn't try to do said acts.

I got a lot to say, so bare with me if you want:




Now about someone else:



This is all from personal experience.

Alright, fine I'll play along. Because they find them attractive

If someone is writing a rape story they would want it to be as realistic as possible so the reader can think the story is credible. At the same time the author wants to make the story just fake enough that the reader will not try to re-enact it or think "ha, I can never get away with that". Its a balance between the scary reality and the not to scary fiction. I've seen the author write "this is a work of fiction" either at the start of end of a rape hentai before to make that distinction clear.

The same can be said for sadism and masochism to a certain extent. Causing physical harm to someone, or receiving harm, can turn someone on. Certainly you can draw ties to stuff such as being a misogynist (hates women) or misandrist (hates men). If you choose to find out the deeper meaning of fetishes, or any particular fetish, in like a thesis or experiment, I'm certain I won't be the only one interested in your results.

I do not think its a lack of understanding of the severity of rape. At least I REALLY strongly hope not. I understand why it bothers you though, people enjoying watching another suffer. Hollywood does a great job of making light of someone being killed but when it actually happens to someone we know its not light at all.

"Hey look, the moralfag's trying to get our porn banned!" Is a knee-jerk reaction, the same one I had, which I why I waited on this thread before posting.



It sometimes is just people being assholes. That's just the nature of the beast.



For my rape fantasy I think the first one was a result of non-forced hollywood porn. Watching it enough times eventually made me superimpose myself into the role of the actress. The whole forced part was from already having a taste for light bondage and hard fast sex. Putting those together with some imagination led me to a rape fantasy.

No...A: An indivdual may like the way the mesh patterns forms around an indivduals curves.
B: An indivdual may like the see through material of said persons body.
C: An indivdual may like to stretch material over indivduals sensitive areas resulting in...

Look I could go on about this the fact is that your answer is wrong it goes beyond mere attraction.

It is that carnal desires is what people like about these fetishes nothing more. Could it be that people just find sex intrguing. Be it or be it not a taboo. People like what makes them feel good that they are willing to ignore what people have to say just to not lose that feeling. Are they wrong for this? Not really...

I'm not sure the OP is interested in arguing actual points, or even proficient at identifying which are and which aren't. I'm highly considering just locking the thread.

I see. Well, thanks for answering at least. So far, I only have the possible hows or whys for the female rape fantasy.

But, I'm more or less ready to stop arguing here because I think we're just repeating the same things over and over.

I'll try, at least to stop harping on what others fantasize about and such, but I can't say I still won't be disturbed by some of them or grow to like them. So, the thing to do is really just agree to disagree and call it a day.