male psyche vs. female psyche
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blahdeblah wrote...
[quote="spectre257"]Stuff
I'm of the opinion that what you've described is how most people claim facts as being their opinion, not that an opinion can be wrong.
For example, if someone says that my shirt is green when in fact it's black, he's wrong. Because my shirt has an existence outside of our minds. It is objective. He can say, "it's my opinion that it's green so I can't be wrong." and I'll respond with "You're an idiot," because you can only have an opinion about something subjective, not objective.
Next time you hear someone that has a 'wrong opinion', it's probably not an opinion, it's an incorrect fact. Almost everything you stated to support your prior argument isn't an opinion. I figure it this way, if you can be proven wrong using actual evidence, it wasn't an opinion to begin with. (ie in the case of 'Chocolate is made from bees' 'This band is original'). An opinion can't be wrong since it's subjective. (ie. 'This band is great', greatness is a subjective term and exists only within your mind. You can give me all the reasons you believe it isn't great, and perhaps you can sway my opinion, but you can't prove my opinion wrong because the degree of greatness, as opposed to the degree of originality or the degree of green, exists only within the mind.)
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flln723 wrote...
blahdeblah wrote...
[quote="spectre257"]Stuff
I'm of the opinion that what you've described is how most people claim facts as being their opinion, not that an opinion can be wrong.
For example, if someone says that my shirt is green when in fact it's black, he's wrong. Because my shirt has an existence outside of our minds. It is objective. He can say, "it's my opinion that it's green so I can't be wrong." and I'll respond with "You're an idiot," because you can only have an opinion about something subjective, not objective.
Next time you hear someone that has a 'wrong opinion', it's probably not an opinion, it's an incorrect fact. Almost everything you stated to support your prior argument isn't an opinion. I figure it this way, if you can be proven wrong using actual evidence, it wasn't an opinion to begin with. (ie in the case of 'Chocolate is made from bees' 'This band is original'). An opinion can't be wrong since it's subjective. (ie. 'This band is great', greatness is a subjective term and exists only within your mind. You can give me all the reasons you believe it isn't great, and perhaps you can sway my opinion, but you can't prove my opinion wrong because the degree of greatness, as opposed to the degree of originality or the degree of green, exists only within the mind.)
So it's a semantics argument you want, eh? *smile*
You are absolutely correct, all the things I gave as examples are things that can be misconstrued as opinion but are in actuality incorrect facts. I even made mention of this phenomena in my post:
The problem, with the "It's my opinion, and therefore infallible" argument is that people confuse what can be valued objectively with what can be valued subjectively.
Something that can be valued objectively is not an opinion. I'm sorry that I did not make my stance on that argument clearer.
However, this argument was in reference to articles posted by another user wherein the statements were seen as biased and incorrect by another. In defense of the articles, someone claimed that they could not be wrong because the debatable facts were the author's OPINION. Therefore the user made the argument that this person's incorrect(or correct, whatever your take) conclusions were his infallible opinion. And that is simply not the case. In your words, this was a case of "how most people claim facts as being their opinion"
Allow me to further clarify and adapt my stance using your parlance. My pet peeve is that people often claim facts and/or conclusions as being their opinion and believe this a means of ending discussion.
To simplify: People believe "Opinions" can't be wrong, when in fact what they are arguing are not opinions to begin with.
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Takerial
Lovable Teddy Bear
Um, no?
An opinion is what you think or believe about something.
There is not special limitation about it being subject or objective.
An opinion is not the opposite of a fact.
An opinion is what you think or believe about something.
There is not special limitation about it being subject or objective.
An opinion is not the opposite of a fact.
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Kalistean wrote...
Um, no?An opinion is what you think or believe about something.
There is not special limitation about it being subject or objective.
An opinion is not the opposite of a fact.
You're confusing me here, Kalistean.
An opinion is indeed the opposite of a fact.
A fact is something that can be proven or disproven with supporting evidence. In short, an objective conclusion
An opinion is something that cannot be proven or disproven with any certainty as it is a subjective conclusion.
Now, in our modern society we have broadened the CONNOTATIONS of what an Opinion (and sadly what a Fact) is... to the point where we get people who call any conclusion they come up with an opinion. And that is fine, except when it closes people off or makes people believe their arguments are therefore infallible because OH, it's a subjective judgement call when in actuality... it is not.
Ah, you know, I think I've said quite enough about this in a forum that has nothing to do with it. I apologize to the OP for running off into a tangent.
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Kalistean wrote...
Um, no?An opinion is what you think or believe about something.
There is not special limitation about it being subject or objective.
An opinion is not the opposite of a fact.
If that's your opinion, then apparently opinions can be wrong.
... see what I did there?
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Opinions are like assholes; everybody has one and they all stink.
back to the original topic:
i was sort of thinking along the lines that men tend to be more direct in their statements, where as women can tend to infer and/or imply more often*.
*[size=10]i know i'm generalizing, not all wo/men are this way.[/h]
back to the original topic:
i was sort of thinking along the lines that men tend to be more direct in their statements, where as women can tend to infer and/or imply more often*.
*[size=10]i know i'm generalizing, not all wo/men are this way.[/h]
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Mr.Shaggnificent wrote...
Opinions are like assholes; everybody has one and they all stink.back to the original topic:
i was sort of thinking along the lines that men tend to be more direct in their statements, where as women can tend to infer and/or imply more often*.
*[size=10]i know i'm generalizing, not all wo/men are this way.[/h]
i agree with you 100%, even your little mini line there cause my gf isn't like that and i love her dearly.
i do have a example i dont mind sharing but im not exactly sure if it really relates to the topic to well.
when i was getting ready for the anime con a couple weeks ago i was having my mom help me with my costume. we ended up agreeing to meet every monday to work on it, then a few days later she calls me and said she made plans for monday and i would have to go either sunday or tuesday so i picked sunday since tuesdays are my busy days for school. sunday afternoon i was trying to get ahold of my mom to see when she was going to be at her home and she tells me that she was still helping her bf with something to that day wouldnt work, she then told me that her plan for monday changed so we were able to work on it that monday as origionally planned.
if this makes sense to anyone please explain it to me cause i dont see why it would have been a big deal to keep the origional plans and base new plans around that
oh yeah i should also mention how when i brought this up with her a week later she said how she always revolves her schedule around me and my sister. to me after that it seemed like i was revolving around her schedule.
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No one is always easy to understand.
It may be a pain in the ass, but you know what?
DEAL WITH IT.
It may be a pain in the ass, but you know what?
DEAL WITH IT.