Serious question for atheists

Well, you were either referring to insults, the fact that I called you out for derepping me, or the fact that we are off topic. I haven't derepped you, so its not that. I haven't directly insulted you, probably since my first post where I called you an asshat. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a recent indirect insult either.

The only thing I could be called hypocritical on is being off topic, and at least I tried *shrug*. In light of that point though, I think I am done posting, at least until you decide to actually answer my post, or someone else posts something worthy of debate.

When arguing, take care of your temper. Your logic, if you have any, will take care of itself.

I hate to further fan the flames here, but this has gotten to be a bit ridiculous. Good points were being made and this thread provided interesting discussion up until the last few pages or so. Since then, it seems as if this thread has only served as the breeding ground for petty argument, rather than as a place for discussion.

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Please. Your indirect insults are as thinly veiled as mine.

Hypocritical in the sense that you were going on and on about "How I only care about winning the argument" and blah blah blah.

And now this is the second time you tried to force my hand in replying.

I'm not saying it's bad to want to win an argument. But don't talk all high and mighty when you're just as geared to win it as well because you're just going to come off hypocritical.

Do you really think I derepped you because I was jealous of rep? This is some thinly veiled insulting right here. "You're just jealous because people like me better" tone is amusing.

No, I derepped you because you were honestly acting like an idiot in that post.

It's not voluntary. There comes a generic cristian/catholic/etc guy, ask me if I'm a believer. The answer, no. Then he comes with his/her shit about why I shall believe, and then I tell him/her why I don't believe.

That's all. It's not my fault that 40% of them end up being atheist until someone washes their brain into the path of god again.

I'm atheist, but I accept that out there are people that are weak and need to believe in something unreal in order to keep going.

Theres always that question about 'Why doesnt God heal amputees?' and the general responce is if he did that, it would destroy the catholic church. If we just had a button marked 'prayer' that healed all injuries, we would no longer need faith to accomplish our goals. But god only exists because of faith...
Lets turn to Douglas Adams Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy:
The idea that God doesnt heal amputees is simply the babble fish story.
The babble fish is an incredibly complex organism, a small fish you can stick in your ear which uses telepathy to act as a universal translator.
Its so incredibly inconcievable that it could of come about only by chance, some have taken it as the final clinching argument to the non-existance of God.
The argument goes like this:
'I refuse to prove that I exist', says God, 'for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.'
'But', says man, 'the babble fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance, it proves you exist and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED'
'Oh dear', says God, 'I hadn't thought of that' and promptly disappears in a puff of logic.
So basically god doesnt heal amputees for the same reason there isnt really a babble fish. Because if he did do anything useful, it would prove he doesnt exist...

=A= Im religious. And yeah I believe in god. And what my teachers have taught me. But what I dont understand is someone not believing in anything and just living life as it is? You really put science over faith? Dont wanna say anymore. These things should come from the individuals own strength anyway and not some others opinion.

In other news:
I can't believe that life (read: not just humans), as it stands today, happened by accident. In general, I am undecided on my theological stance and I steer clear of any organized religion since it seems that people banding together over any of those stances, historically, seems to lead to a quest for dominance and nothing more.

But emotionally and spiritually, I feel connected to something greater than my dna. I remember going to a seminar saying that there are energies within our dna that scientists just don't understand, and I believe it. I don't necessarily have to figure out what that is to be satisfied. ❤ ❤

The problem with the "we can't be an accident" train of thought is that... mankind assumes it's special. I've never understood this; in a universe as large as it is, we think we're big time or something and yet we really are just some ants crawling around on a rock in space.

Human beings got a lot of problems that lead them not believing in any god.

Yeah, you tell those people who willingly defended their faith by being stoned to death that they are weak.

And that they people who are selling their baby's stuff and using the money to buy formula for drugs instead that they aren't weak because that stuff is real.

Seriously...wat?
You think that we think its morally justifiable and understandable for a mother to abandon her duty to raise a child and spend the money on drugs, just because we are athiest?!? Just because we dont believe in a spiritual deity doesnt mean we dont have morals.

Way to read the context of my post man.

I was responding to him saying that basically believing in God made someone weak.

I, in no way, shape or form, said that not believing in God meant that you lack morals.

I apologise if I missed your intended meaning, but your initial sentence was poorly worded. I will be more attentive in the future to avoid misunderstanding.

sorry, I guess irony doesn't translate over the internet. It's cool, just as long as you know now.

I think we can all agree that certain people need to be torn away from their "beliefs". In the US in one of the southern states, Alabama I think, they have the Creationism museum that "teaches" that the Earth is about 4,000 yrs old and that man and dinosuar lived side by side. I believe anyone willing to throw out ALL know science to make sure that nothing contardics a book written close to 2000 yrs ago need strong encouragement to open their minds.

Given also that there are certain religious scholars and what not who say that the history and all that was misinterpreted from the Bible and the world stated in it is a lot older than that.

Having a differing viewpoint is not a bad thing. It's when you isolate yourself entirely into that viewpoint and won't accept looking at something different that could contradict what you know.

Many people are just scared of change and don't want to go "Hey, you're right. This thing does mean it could be read this way and not this way. I might not agree with that, but it certainly is a good way of looking at things."