Serious question for atheists
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This is neither an intelligent question nor an intelligent discussion. (Nods to some posters for trying though)
There's always the stereotype that atheism is faith of science - unfortunately this statement is absolutely false considering the nature of faith in the claim, faith in religion is belief in absense of evidence, versus the "faith" in science in that real conclusions can be made about the world through observation and experimentation.
If you can provide Good, Indubitable proof that God exists, then all reasonable Atheists would turn to God. There is no exception to this rule because atheism stresses the importance of Proof and if this was available there is no longer a reason not to believe, as the stakes are much too high.
You cannot say the same for the other way around, because according to religion the Godly Being is beyond human comprehension thus such proof is either NEVER SUFFICIENT or simply misleading.
If you cannot see the difference here then... it may be too difficult for you to grasp this topic. (perfectly understandable given the fundamental cultural differences between the two)
Lastly, Atheism is usually advanced with the belief of social benefit - that a world of atheists would be somehow better than a world with many religions and the keeping the status quo is not to the benefit of mankind.
If you choose to not accept our ideology then it's not like we can do anything to "peel" you away from what you choose to believe in... You can be a martyr or a saint according to your religion - we would just simply not give a damn.
There's always the stereotype that atheism is faith of science - unfortunately this statement is absolutely false considering the nature of faith in the claim, faith in religion is belief in absense of evidence, versus the "faith" in science in that real conclusions can be made about the world through observation and experimentation.
If you can provide Good, Indubitable proof that God exists, then all reasonable Atheists would turn to God. There is no exception to this rule because atheism stresses the importance of Proof and if this was available there is no longer a reason not to believe, as the stakes are much too high.
You cannot say the same for the other way around, because according to religion the Godly Being is beyond human comprehension thus such proof is either NEVER SUFFICIENT or simply misleading.
If you cannot see the difference here then... it may be too difficult for you to grasp this topic. (perfectly understandable given the fundamental cultural differences between the two)
Lastly, Atheism is usually advanced with the belief of social benefit - that a world of atheists would be somehow better than a world with many religions and the keeping the status quo is not to the benefit of mankind.
If you choose to not accept our ideology then it's not like we can do anything to "peel" you away from what you choose to believe in... You can be a martyr or a saint according to your religion - we would just simply not give a damn.
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RTZ wrote...
Christian, but not a devout one. Cant see the problem with not liking atheists though. If they said they were into scientology then maybe I would call them retards but all they're saying is that they dont beleve in a higher power that they've never seen. Understandable. I'm not going to say I agree, but I understand their point of view.
Seriously, was this thread supposed to turn into a religious race war? Fix this shit.
What do you expect man shit fights always happen in any thread related to religion.
Problem is some religious groups even atheists want religious tolerance yet they vivify anyone who doesn't follow their beliefs, and force their agenda on others because apparently their god loves them.
It's a sad state of affairs as they're so high up on their holy pedestal they can't see the light.
The guy below makes great points.
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@willy191 if there act there'll be reaction. I just act to your post mudafucka!! shit I myself didn't hate chinese that much. in fact I help my best frind to attain their SIUP at reasonable price. godamn it they fucking charge too much. but I hate your act to blame all of the wretched things to us. is like Chinese is some holy race. hey man face it not only you that had discrimination, rape, or whatever that you whimp here. we all have same fucking problems. what you do is like "oh it is not my stuff". "It's your indonesian fucking fault". you declare yourself is Indonesian right. so we all have same problem. Forced to bribed, had discriminated because race or your to poor. so do we'll finish now or not?
I ask again to you atheist
can god create a stone that He Himself can't lift it?
I ask again to you atheist
can god create a stone that He Himself can't lift it?
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mibuchiha
Fakku Elder
mesumguy wrote...
I ask again to you atheistcan god create a stone that He Himself can't lift it?
Not a question worth answering when you don't even believe in god.
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mibuchiha wrote...
mesumguy wrote...
I ask again to you atheistcan god create a stone that He Himself can't lift it?
Not a question worth answering when you don't even believe in god.
As possibly tactless as that sounded, I agree. Ask me to consider something that might persuade me to think about religion in the context of believing God? Sure. Ask me to consider a scenario where God exists without hesitation and I won't answer.
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mesumguy wrote...
@willy191 if there act there'll be reaction. I just act to your post mudafucka!! shit I myself didn't hate chinese that much. in fact I help my best frind to attain their SIUP at reasonable price. godamn it they fucking charge too much. but I hate your act to blame all of the wretched things to us. is like Chinese is some holy race. hey man face it not only you that had discrimination, rape, or whatever that you whimp here. we all have same fucking problems. what you do is like "oh it is not my stuff". "It's your indonesian fucking fault". you declare yourself is Indonesian right. so we all have same problem. Forced to bribed, had discriminated because race or your to poor. so do we'll finish now or not?I ask again to you atheist
can god create a stone that He Himself can't lift it?
Well...that's why I stop...and it's sad...even though we are Indonesian, they keep calling us Chinese...It's always the same problem...Indo Chinese blame Indonesian...and Indonesian blame Indo Chinese....
If you're Indo Chinese you'll understand...we really are forced to bribe....I think everyone is forced to bribe not only us...
I did say we stop....lol
Assuming god exists...I say the answer is no....
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mesumguy wrote...
@willy191 if there act there'll be reaction. I just act to your post mudafucka!! shit I myself didn't hate chinese that much. in fact I help my best frind to attain their SIUP at reasonable price. godamn it they fucking charge too much. but I hate your act to blame all of the wretched things to us. is like Chinese is some holy race. hey man face it not only you that had discrimination, rape, or whatever that you whimp here. we all have same fucking problems. what you do is like "oh it is not my stuff". "It's your indonesian fucking fault". you declare yourself is Indonesian right. so we all have same problem. Forced to bribed, had discriminated because race or your to poor. so do we'll finish now or not?I ask again to you atheist
can god create a stone that He Himself can't lift it?
So a thread about religion becomes a thread about race?
You kids are going off topic if you want to argue take it to PMs and stay on topic.
The problem with scripture is that it's only a few hundred years old just because a story is old doesn't make it any truer than it was several hundred years ago.
I'll put a question to the God people how did god come into existence? Because he is according to scripture a 'supreme' being so he must have some sort of form so something must have made him otherwise he wouldn't exist.
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spectre257 wrote...
mesumguy wrote...
@willy191 if there act there'll be reaction. I just act to your post mudafucka!! shit I myself didn't hate chinese that much. in fact I help my best frind to attain their SIUP at reasonable price. godamn it they fucking charge too much. but I hate your act to blame all of the wretched things to us. is like Chinese is some holy race. hey man face it not only you that had discrimination, rape, or whatever that you whimp here. we all have same fucking problems. what you do is like "oh it is not my stuff". "It's your indonesian fucking fault". you declare yourself is Indonesian right. so we all have same problem. Forced to bribed, had discriminated because race or your to poor. so do we'll finish now or not?I ask again to you atheist
can god create a stone that He Himself can't lift it?
So a thread about religion becomes a thread about race?
You kids are going off topic if you want to argue take it to PMs and stay on topic.
The problem with scripture is that it's only a few hundred years old just because a story is old doesn't make it any truer than it was several hundred years ago.
I'll put a question to the God people how did god come into existence? Because he is according to scripture a 'supreme' being so he must have some sort of form so something must have made him otherwise he wouldn't exist.
I did say stop...XP
Even the god has it's creator....lol
It'll be an infinite loop..
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JuiceBox47 wrote...
Why do atheists feel the need to scrutinize religion? It's fine if atheists don't want to believe in God, but why do they have to try to tear other people away from him?1st part of the question, it's in their nature as those who try to use logic on everything.
on the second part of the question, it's kinda the same as when those who believe in God try to convert others. I guess general insecurity about ones own beliefs, thus the need to use others to verify their position on religion. The more theists an atheist "converts", the more he feels right in his belief that logic trumps belief, or whatever justification s/he is using. The more atheists a theist "converts", not only is it encouraged in some holy texts, but they also have the feeling that whatever justification they use in believing whatever they believe is correct. (ie have the satisfaction of having "saved" someone, etc.)
(going slightly off topic)
however this really isn't at the base of the real question in all this... Is there a higher power? whether it's the christian God, pagan spirits, etcetc. It comes down to this, atheists will argue that because there is a lack of credible evidence, that there can be no higher powers. However, we are humans living on earth. we have 5 senses, and as amazing our brains are, they still don't answer all the questions that we have about this universe we live in. As time passes, old "scientific theories" are disprooven and new ones are brought up. So yes, there may be a higher power/God that doesn't affect the universe in a way we can sense it. Just because we have gotten a few tools of logic and science doesn't mean we can be completely convinced on the conclusions these lead us to. I believe we all should take a step back and try to question our beliefs more and more before we tackle such a giant philosophical question. Then perhaps we may take a step towards truth.
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JuiceBox47 wrote...
Why do atheists feel the need to scrutinize religion? It's fine if atheists don't want to believe in God, but why do they have to try to tear other people away from him?I found the answer in myself. just like Atheist don't wanna to believe god, Me too don't wanna believe god is doesn't exist. In this case maybe you can say is the difference of perspective. Some miracle by Atheist is labeled coincidence, by us the Deithist is labeled God hand or deus ex machina. And that difference of idea was grew to question. Either we question them or them question us, in the end there wouldn't be agreement for to of us. and that disagreement will lead either of us to act in the name of faith or Idea. and when the clash happen either side may put aside what in my country called a healthy logic (couldn't found apropriate meaning on english for these, and when it happen neither Atheist or Deithist will give a damn about fact that lay upon their eyes.
so in the end they will counter your question back like
Why do Deithists feel the need to scrutinize Atheism? It's fine if Deithists do believe in God, but why do they have to try to tear other people away from their believe?
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JuiceBox47 wrote...
Why do atheists feel the need to scrutinize religion?Many don't. Saying that all atheists hate religion and want to 'scrutinize' other peoples beliefs is like saying all Muslims hate America. It isn't true and to many is insulting.
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[size=12] [/h]im sorry to come off as rood but not every atheist is the same i myslef am a atheist but i dont talk shit to ppl just because they believe in a god/goddess or how every your religion works. i believe ppl can believe in what they want and im not one to judge them sure i dont believe in heaven or hell god or the devil but if you do good on ya that is your right and i support that. sure most athiests are bashers but not all of them are. i have alot of friends that ask me why it is that im a ashiest and ill tell them but i dont go as far as to say that there stupid because they believe in something i dont and if you do well i have four words for you "GROW THE FUCK UP"!
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i want to know is why are Christians so into telling everyone there beliefs, but wont listen to my beliefs. im agnostic and usually ask christians questions like why are jesus and horus so much alike? for example. if you look at them they are the same... stuff like that makes me question it. you know?
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shinji_ikari
Mustn't Run Away...
girlsdeadmonster wrote...
i want to know is why are Christians so into telling everyone there beliefs, but wont listen to my beliefs. im agnostic and usually ask christians questions like why are jesus and horus so much alike? for example. if you look at them they are the same... stuff like that makes me question it. you know? Because silly boy logic ,and religion don't mix
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shinji_ikari wrote...
girlsdeadmonster wrote...
i want to know is why are Christians so into telling everyone there beliefs, but wont listen to my beliefs. im agnostic and usually ask christians questions like why are jesus and horus so much alike? for example. if you look at them they are the same... stuff like that makes me question it. you know? Because silly boy logic ,and religion don't mix
I don't think silly boy is needed. Logic doesn't mix well with religion.