Should Prostitution be legal?

That isn't true at all. Our laws are not entirely based off of facts and reliable information - anyone who supports legalizing marijuana can tell you that.

The prez said during his press confernce of legalinzing stem cell research when a reporter asked him if this new policy is a change of direction from morals and ethics towards basing policies off of scientific facts. Obama said no, that every decsion and law must have moral and human values considered. I agree completely with him.

Morals are the basis of our laws, we use facts to support our laws not dictate them.

I thought the same.

A law in Sweden:

While prostitution is legal, it is illegal to use the services of a prostitute.


And one in The Netherlands:

Prostitution is legal but the prostitutes must pay taxes like any other business.

So basically, the consumer is at fault, not the prostitute? Great.

Also, isn't it rather obvious that the prostitute would have to pay taxes, she's running a business after all.

Anyway, totally in favour of legalizing that, since I'm a big fan of contractualism. Basically, every contract that doesn't involve a non signing party should be legal if both signing parties are of maturity and sign that contract of their own free will.

I was going to be in agreement for the legalization of prostitution, but then I read the criticism in the wiki. Not so much in agreement anymore ...


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Oh, man ... it's good thing I know that this was a joke, because if it wasn't, you'd look totally naive.

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It was a joke though ... right?

Legalize prostitution? That sounds completely ridiculous. Whoring yourself to the public would be considered a career? Do you honestly know how many diseases are carried around like this? Just because they like sex, doesn't mean they should spread and carry around diseases they can affect other people. If you want a good reason why it's bad it's because of the diseases carried around.

I don't care what the hell people do to their bodies, but it being legalized means it would be acceptable to society. In other words, people would find this diseases spreading act totally fine because people don't give a shit as long as they get their money.

In my opinion, if people view women that low... people really don't respect women at all. They're just like disease carrying animals in other words.

And... Nevada's an exception because uh... maybe it has one of the highest crime rates in the US?

Legalizing it means you can regulate it. Which includes enacting laws that prevent people from soliciting in the streets. Demand for street walkers will dry up as the risk of disease will be too great. Again, why would you pay for sex from a street walker who probably has a disease vs paying roughly the same amount for sex with someone who DOESN'T have a disease?



Morals are a component of the law making decision not the foundation (i.e. the core). As there is no cohesiveness amongst everyone's personal morality. My "morals" differ from RBZ's whose differ from WhiteLion whose in turn differs from ShaggyJeebus.

It is not the governments place, duty or creed to dictate morality to the people. The government's job is to provide courts in enact laws to protect us from criminal acts (Force,Fraud,etc) and protect us from unsafe conditions (OSHA), to provide cops to enforce those laws (and jails/prisons to incarcerate violators) and the military to protect the sovereignty of the country.

Ethics and morality should be practiced but, not mandated to us by government officials.

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Just some food for thought.

When legalized then regular tests for STD's would be implemented meaning that little to no STD's among prostitutes. Seeing as that is the main debate of your rant well....

As for a low view of women I disagree, you see sex as a bad thing though it's not. There is nothing wrong or degrading about taking a skill your good at, and using it to make a profit. Also why exactly dose every prostitute have to be female there are male prostitutes. So saying that people who what prostitution to be legal have a low view of women then they would also have a low view of men.

Legalizing prostitution is a good idea. 1 it would provide another source of taxeble income for the united states gov. 2 it would provide people in this proffesion with legal medical care through unions, which as we know medicare is a good thing to have. 3 it would provide protection to women who are bieng abused by pimps. They would then have legal protection by the law instead of the law saying "O so your a prostitute, well ill just take you down town and we will throw you in jail." Instead of solving the problem. If it was legal it would be this. "O so your former pimp is bothering you? Okay ill take care of him ma'am. Where is he? What has he done? ect" usual questions follow. This is why prostitution would be good. IN MY OPINION.

I think i should clarify, when i say legal i mean legal in the U.S(and not just in Nevada)



Isn't this what pornstars do?

And the porn industry has regulations in place to prevent diseases. Why can't those regulations be applied to prostitution?

To those who say it should be illegal because of moral reasons, you do realize porn is legal, right?

Women in society that sell themselves are generally frowned upon by the community. I don't know what rock you've been living under, but saying that morals is an invalid excuse to saying why it's wrong isn't even an answer. Tell me, what comes good of it? ANYONE can sell themselves. Don't mention "skills", it takes absolutely no skill to do or whatsoever. As long as they have the looks, they're passable. The same applies for men, but the majority of prostitutes are women, no?

I suppose you would do anything for money? That means if you were skilled and paid to kill children for an example, it would totally be okay because moral standards don't matter as long as it's not against the law.

Taxing prostitution? Lol... Long as it rakes in the good money, fuck all you want, right? This is why money corrupts people.

Pornstars are considered actors and not prostitutes according to some. Though it may seem similar, they are actors and acting is a career. And not to mention... the majority of pornstars all have herpes or other diseases. Guess you didn't know?

Prostituting isn't and shouldn't be a career. It's easy money for lazy women. You talk about STD tests and what not, but seriously, no one cares about staying clean and healthy if they're getting paid to have sex. Having sex all the time isn't even healthy in the first place. This is what you call irony. Having STD check ups to make sure you're healthy because you're doing unhealthy acts...? Can you shoot yourself in the foot anymore? Even the Pornstar industry knows they have a higher rate of diseases compared to the average community.

If you think it's totally fine for human beings to ignore morality and do whatever they want for money, I can understand your points of view. Having sex is okay, I don't think it's bad at all.

Having sex for money and carrying around diseases is what I don't agree on. Until you find every known cure to STDs, I'm never going to agree with legalizing prostitution.

Yet again another illogical rambling from the decency police.`



Somehow a "subjective" rule is suppose to be the guideline here? No two people have the same morality. Whose right? You or Me? At least with legalizing it and regulating it you can stop women from being smacked around by their clients and pimps. Not to mention get them screened to prevent disease and even catch cervix cancer early. Not to mention the plethora of health problems any random women in society has. Currently, there is no regulation set up which is why prostitution is such a dirty and violent trade. The women can't go to the police for help and have absolutely no protection while on the street. This is how prostitutes end up dead because there isn't any safety precautions!



To answer you question; Yes, I would do anything for money that didn't require force, fraud or deception. Why? Because I have a girlfriend going to college who I want to support,there are also charities who look forward each year to my donations such as the "Aflac Cancer Center and Blood Disorders Service of Children’s Healthcare of Atlanta". Not to mention the "No-kill" animal shelters I also donate too. If I lost my job and couldn't get work any other way I would turn to prostitution if I had too. A job is a job.



The "brothels" that employ these women will be legally mandated by the state they work in to get their women tested. The point of legalizing it is so you can REGULATE it. You know, like...make rules for people to follow. Set standards and practices, etc,etc. As for the "porn stars have a higher rate of diseases", bring proof.



Okay, we'll keep the status quo, where the prostitutes will continue to walk the street, be subject to psychological and physical violence from "clients", rival prostitutes, pimps all because it's illegal, they can't go to the police for help and there is no regulation which has created a black market that will never go away. How many more women need to be abused and murdered "in the trade" before you'll realize that it's actually more "immoral" to keep it illegal that legalize it?

That sound you just heard was the nail being driven into the coffin your argument resides in.

This is something I find ironic betweeen the two, especially coming from users on a porn site - granted I know this is a hentai site, but don't act as if you've never watched real porn before.

Tell me, what is the real difference between pornstars and prostitutions? Pornstars have sex, make money - entertain. Prostitutes have sex, make money - entertain. Do you -really- see it as 'acting?' Maybe the prostitutes act too.. you know, role play and stuff.

How are you okay with one and not the other? If you're worried about morality and what the community thinks of brothels and porn - what about the internet? That's a place crawling with scandalous acts and inappropriate information our innocent children can get a hold of.



So apparently taking safety precautions to a 'dangerous job' is ironic now. Those silly construction workers don't need their yellow vests and hard hat. Oh and let's take away any pads and guards for all those sports players out there - they should know better. It's unhealthy to be attacking each other to the ground, you could get hurt! They deserve to get a broken bone, so just forgo the helmet too.

Oh, don't wear gloves at a doctors office either, you know - it's your own fault getting sick, being around those nasty patients all day.



What I think is immoral is the fact you'd rather have women trapped on the streets and no where to go. Not all women want to be street walkers, they're forced to with a gun pointed to their head by their pimps to do as they say or they'll find them and kill them. What can they do? No where else to go - can't go to the police about it and say "I'm being abused from prostitution", she'll get locked up, bailed out by her pimp and then have the shit beat out of her some more.

I think it's immoral to not want regulations to keep women safe environmentally and physically.

I think you're the immoral person. Because you have no reason to prevent legal brothels other than 'frowned upon by the community' you care more about yourself than all of us who are arguing against you. So you can tell people they'd kill children if it was legal all you want - but in the end you're really the selfish person here.

See how morals differ between each person individually? It's on the same guideline as opinions - everyone's got em'

I never stated anything about being okay with one or the other. I don't know where you got that from. I don't like either one.

Pornstars are actors. Like I said earlier. Prostitutes simply role playing isn't acting. Pornstars actually HAVE to know how to act out during pornographic film because it's acting. As much as I don't like pornstars either, it has some form of skill that involves acting which prostitution doesn't. Prostitution is, 5 bucks 15 minutes in the back.

Your analogy of a construction worker and doctor made absolutely no sense. First of all, doing construction work has nothing to do with spreading diseases and doctors are there to cure diseases. Sir, we're talking about STDs here. Not a simple bump to your head because you didn't wear a safety helmet.

Am I morally wrong? Someone here stated that they would let their own daughter be a prostitute if they had one. Okay, well... if you claim that these prostitutes have no where to run, why in the world would people let their own daughter become a prostitute in the first place?

I'm not a selfish person at all. I wouldn't mind what others do to themselves, but when it comes to something so dangerous as spreading STDs around, you honestly need to reconsider and look beyond the scale of just having jobs. This could become more of a problem than just feeling sorry for the whores.

I don't want incurable diseases contracting all over the place and spreading to other innocent people because somebody fucked up.

Since you wouldn't take the time to do the research Fpod suggested you to do to prove your paranoia of STD's spreading wrong, I decided to do it for you:



Prostitution on the streets where it is NOT regulated is a major vector for the spread of STD's

HOWEVER, since 1986 in Nevada where brothels are regulated NO tests have been positive.

This is difference between leaving something alone and regulating it.

Oh here's more:



Here's statistics stating very clearly at what you're saying is wrong. Just because you think something doesn't make it true. Where's your proof?

By the way, don't call me sir.

Uh-huh, yo, check this shit out:



First of all, saying "no one cares about staying clean and healthy if they're getting paid to have sex" is a fucking false premise. You make a big assumption there, with nothing to back it up.

The point that Ziggy was making—which flew over your head—was that other people doing "unhealthy" acts that put their life in danger also adhere to regulations that attempt to protect the workers by giving them safety gear, just like people being regulated to have STD check ups for the sake of safety and try to prevent the spread of disease. Wouldn't you agree that construction work is, in a way, a dangerous job and that we should take precautions to keep the workers from being injured/killed on the job? If so, apply the same logic to prostitution.



If you're talking about GinIchimaru's post then you're attacking a straw man and committing the Straw Man logical fallacy. What he actually said was:



If it was legalized and regulated, she would have somewhere to run, now wouldn't she.



If you're implying that the legalization of prostitution has something to do with the crime rates, then I must ask you: Have you ever heard that correlation doesn't necessarily equal causation?



Ah, the Argument from personal Incredulity

You might want to put some scotch tape on your argument.

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Here is a fun George Carlin quote:


Also, massive facepalm at the dude below me.

I'd fight for prostitution being illegal anyday. I mean c'mon, we all know that its something downright wrong to do. To hell with their reasons, prostitution will forever be illegal.

Mentality like that is what lead to prohibition, the fail war on drugs and all the deaths and violence that resulted from it.

Also, I'm glad you can sleep at night knowing that you support the status quo which results in women being abused, being addicted to hard drugs and possibly killed. Your such a great guy.

Don't be so hard on the child. He/she may not being thinking of the issue in a deep manner like you.

To the people who deny prostitution to be legal, I find you people ironic since you're in a hentai site in the first place. If you say that prostitution should be illegal, what's to stop people from banning pornography, lolicon and our hentai itself. Banning one thing will lead to banning everything.

I'm not sure that my statement makes relative sense but think about it.

There are some great arguments being made in this thread. Most of my feelings have already been expressed through different users (mostly Rbz and FPoD), but I would like to compile a short list of why I think legalizing prostitution could be beneficial and maybe offer a few counterpoints just to keep the discussion going.



Regulation would eliminate the sketchy behavior surrounding prostitution; the same behavior people use to deem it immoral.

Selling a service is not immoral. Sex is not immoral. So I think we all can agree that what surrounds prostitution is what makes it immoral in the eyes of society. That, and the simple fact that it has been illegal for so long that people immediately associate it with "bad" without giving it a second thought.

Standards. Rules, laws, and procedures would be put in place to protect not only the employee (the prostitute in this case) but the consumer as well. This means less venereal diseases and overall better health practices. A lot of people have already explained this in detail so I will leave it at that.

Proper security. What would happen if a man had sex with a prostitute, decided he did not want to pay and instead simply beat her to the point of unconsciousness before leaving? Nothing. The woman cannot go to the police and report this, she would be put in jail.

On the same token, what if an individual approached a prostitute not knowing that she was cracked out and delusional. She offers him sex, and then when he drops his pants she pulls a knife out and sticks it in his gut; thereafter making off with his wallet. Sure, he can seek out the police but it wouldn't reverse time and prevent the crime from being committed.

By legalizing prostitution situations like the ones I listed above would be drastically reduced. Introducing law enforcement would minimize the risks and set up a system that could deal with violent and hostile happenings. You might even have security guards at the locations prostitution would take place. Records on all the clientele and employees, so that if something did occur the appropriate actions could be taken. Etc, etc.

No more pimps. The pimp would be taken out of the scenario entirely, as he would no longer be needed/allowed if prostitution was made legal.

The significance of this is probably greater than you might think. The amount of physical, mental, and emotional damage they inflict upon these women is beyond our comprehension. They have the power to do anything they want to these women and they know it. They beat them, rape them, introduce them to drugs, force them into unsafe working conditions, cheat them, steal from them, and possibly even murder them. Not only are they a danger to prostitutes but they are a danger to the clientele as well.

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Now my counterpoints. Overall, I agree that prostitution being legalized would be a step in the right direction. But a few things did occur to me while I was thinking about it.

1.) What if the standards introduced by legalization are too strict? You know the government would not allow everything, and it's a safe assumption that illegal prostitution would still take place (child prostitution will never be made legal and there will always be degenerates willing to pay money to sleep with an underage girl).

For instance, what if the government allows the basic practices of sex but for whatever reason they don't allow most of the popular fetishes. Illegal prostitution would still have a large role to fill and it would be right back on the streets along with the pimps, the STDs, and the 5$ blowjobs.

2.) How would it affect women? Would the number of women in prostitution drastically increase after it being made legal? After all, it's a lot easier to rely on good looks and just spread your legs a bit than going to college. And what kind of repercussions would it have on society? There are a lot of poor and lower-middle-class families that don't have a whole lot of options. And if you have more women signing up to be whores you have less women in college learning to become doctors or scientists.