Stop the Internet "Blacklist" Legislation ('S.O.P.A.' bill)
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Am I the only one who isn't in an absolute panic about this?
I mean worse comes to worse and this passes, I think you guys are greatly overestimating just how much this will affect your day-to-day lives. I mean, only the most "hardcore" pirates will be affected. I could be wrong, but I'm assuming most of us aren't pirating a huge amount of music, movies or expensive programs and software. Those are the people who are going to be targeted over those who are just torrenting anime and manga. Does it set a precedence? Sure, but one step at a time, people, one step at a time.
Despite some misleading and down-right lies from the public, this isn't affecting video game streams, yet. So as a TwitchTV broadcaster I have nothing to worry about from that front, as of yet.
Just I wish some people would take a step back, breathe, and stop acting like this bill will end the internet, or worse, the world as we know it. Stop over-dramatizing everything and relax. I'm not saying you have to sit back and take it, but don't flippin' lose your lid if it passes.
I mean worse comes to worse and this passes, I think you guys are greatly overestimating just how much this will affect your day-to-day lives. I mean, only the most "hardcore" pirates will be affected. I could be wrong, but I'm assuming most of us aren't pirating a huge amount of music, movies or expensive programs and software. Those are the people who are going to be targeted over those who are just torrenting anime and manga. Does it set a precedence? Sure, but one step at a time, people, one step at a time.
Despite some misleading and down-right lies from the public, this isn't affecting video game streams, yet. So as a TwitchTV broadcaster I have nothing to worry about from that front, as of yet.
Just I wish some people would take a step back, breathe, and stop acting like this bill will end the internet, or worse, the world as we know it. Stop over-dramatizing everything and relax. I'm not saying you have to sit back and take it, but don't flippin' lose your lid if it passes.
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animefreak_usa
Child of Samael
I'm not as worried because.. they can't stop me anyways. It's not like i pirate alot of movies or sofeware anyways.
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guammastermind671
Da RL Lurker at FAKKU
Hey guys keep hearing about this act that congress is trying to pass into law. It said to kill the internet and everything we do. DO you think this is good for the U.S or should it be abolished?
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Links listed below:
Wikipedia edition -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act
Protect IP act -
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/protect-ip-act-stop-online-piracy-act
Support against Act - Demandprogress:
http://demandprogress.org/
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Links listed below:
Wikipedia edition -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act
Protect IP act -
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/protect-ip-act-stop-online-piracy-act
Support against Act - Demandprogress:
http://demandprogress.org/
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It would've been nice if some members of Congress actually knew what this bill would do. As it stands most of them are not very net savy. If a few of them took the time, maybe to speak with one of the many internet specialists we have access to in this day and age. I imagine a few of them would be singing a different tune.
Everything i've heard from the House, and Senate leads me to believe a handful of them don't know exactly what's going on. Because the internet is far more than a system of tubes, friend.
Everything i've heard from the House, and Senate leads me to believe a handful of them don't know exactly what's going on. Because the internet is far more than a system of tubes, friend.
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The actual problem with the bill is the broad language used, which can lead to broad interpretation. At the core, the bill is only supposed to help curb piracy. While the good majority of us on Fakku are pirates by nature, a lot of Americans would support an anti-piracy bill. No, the problem is that the bill leaves open the legislative loopholes to further regulate the internet. The bill is so ill-defined that it could allow corporations like internet providers to censor what you view on the internet. Someone is competition with your internet service? Well guess what? You can't go on that site anymore.
Anyway, point is, the bill itself isn't inherently bad or good. The precedence for the bill is what scares everyone.
Anyway, point is, the bill itself isn't inherently bad or good. The precedence for the bill is what scares everyone.
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guammastermind671
Da RL Lurker at FAKKU
Tsurayu wrote...
The actual problem with the bill is the broad language used, which can lead to broad interpretation. At the core, the bill is only supposed to help curb piracy. While the good majority of us on Fakku are pirates by nature, a lot of Americans would support an anti-piracy bill. No, the problem is that the bill leaves open the legislative loopholes to further regulate the internet. The bill is so ill-defined that it could allow corporations like internet providers to censor what you view on the internet. Someone is competition with your internet service? Well guess what? You can't go on that site anymore. Anyway, point is, the bill itself isn't inherently bad or good. The precedence for the bill is what scares everyone.
Lol not only that tsurayu...people who posts vids on youtube, to people who twitter, facebook, myspace things around the net...the government will block it at their own leisure. I swear some people in congress are dumb as a rock.
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I don't believe it will ever get that bad. I think people are over-dramatizing this. I mean it is good that so many people show such fervent initiative, but there's a fine line between being fervent about something and just being bat-shit crazy.
This is not going to affect everyone's day-to-day lives as much as they think. I just get infuriated with how many people think this is the end of the internet, or even the world, as we know it.
This is not going to affect everyone's day-to-day lives as much as they think. I just get infuriated with how many people think this is the end of the internet, or even the world, as we know it.
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The biggest problem, though, is not just the fact that you can take down sites with copyrighted material. It is that THIRD parties, without a warrant or judicial review can force a site to be taken down. They only need to claim it has copyrighted material.
This is similar to the Defense of Digital Rights Act(Not sure if I got the exact wording right). Essentially this bill was abused and allowed people to remove content form sites claiming it was copyrighted... And then come to find out it wasn't.
On another note this bill could entirely shut down fakku completely. Doujshins(spelling wrong) by nature are not approved by the copyright owners(None originals of course). Also many anime, and manga creators dislike doujshins all together. All would be needed is one call saying fakku has some material that is copy written and down goes fakku.
The point is no warrants are needed, and no true evidence is needed. This isn't gonna just be a play for people trying to protect their copy written material this will also be business that compete with each other try to get other sites shut down.
So...
http://wh.gov/DfY
Here is a link to the white house online petition against SOPA.
http://www.mozilla.org/sopa/
And here is firefox's kinda "instant" letter thing. It basically sends letters, with your message you write, to your local representatives. A week after I did it I got a letter back from the representatives office.
If we want this thing stopped we have to speak up, and speak up loud. Spread these links around so people can sign them and write their message
This is similar to the Defense of Digital Rights Act(Not sure if I got the exact wording right). Essentially this bill was abused and allowed people to remove content form sites claiming it was copyrighted... And then come to find out it wasn't.
On another note this bill could entirely shut down fakku completely. Doujshins(spelling wrong) by nature are not approved by the copyright owners(None originals of course). Also many anime, and manga creators dislike doujshins all together. All would be needed is one call saying fakku has some material that is copy written and down goes fakku.
The point is no warrants are needed, and no true evidence is needed. This isn't gonna just be a play for people trying to protect their copy written material this will also be business that compete with each other try to get other sites shut down.
So...
http://wh.gov/DfY
Here is a link to the white house online petition against SOPA.
http://www.mozilla.org/sopa/
And here is firefox's kinda "instant" letter thing. It basically sends letters, with your message you write, to your local representatives. A week after I did it I got a letter back from the representatives office.
If we want this thing stopped we have to speak up, and speak up loud. Spread these links around so people can sign them and write their message
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guammastermind671
Da RL Lurker at FAKKU
Tsurayu wrote...
I don't believe it will ever get that bad. I think people are over-dramatizing this. I mean it is good that so many people show such fervent initiative, but there's a fine line between being fervent about something and just being bat-shit crazy. This is not going to affect everyone's day-to-day lives as much as they think. I just get infuriated with how many people think this is the end of the internet, or even the world, as we know it.
Im not too sure about that tsurayu... if congress was able to make pizza a vegetable. Then who knows what they are capable of. Im serious most of them are idiots with M.D's.
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Tsurayu wrote...
I don't believe it will ever get that bad. I think people are over-dramatizing this. I mean it is good that so many people show such fervent initiative, but there's a fine line between being fervent about something and just being bat-shit crazy. This is not going to affect everyone's day-to-day lives as much as they think. I just get infuriated with how many people think this is the end of the internet, or even the world, as we know it.
Tsurayu, this is the United States Federal government we're talking about here. A governing body full of corporate influences, bribes and outright corruption. Do you seriously doubt that corporations won't use this bills broad language for personal gain?
Also, you mentioned you're a broadcaster on twitchTV. Already, Sp00ky from Team Sp00ky (Competitive street fighter broadcaster) had his streaming equipment seized (on grounds that it could be used for illegal broadcasting)when he was traveling. That was just by the TSA, imagine what a broadly defined bill can do? I'd rather be cautious and leave a few pirates to continue to do their thing than risk having the internet censored because of overzealous corporations.
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Oh come on. You're the last person I would expect to start spewing conspiracy nonsense.
Sp00ky having his equipment seized has nothing to do with TwitchTV. Of course having that kind of equipment going through a venue with tight security is going to look suspicious. That is no fault of the TSA for finding it as such, if anything it is Sp00ky's fault for not thinking it could cause problems.
Sp00ky having his equipment seized has nothing to do with TwitchTV. Of course having that kind of equipment going through a venue with tight security is going to look suspicious. That is no fault of the TSA for finding it as such, if anything it is Sp00ky's fault for not thinking it could cause problems.
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Tsurayu wrote...
Oh come on. You're the last person I would expect to start spewing conspiracy nonsense.It's not conspiracy nonsense. It's a well founded distrust in the Federal Government born from years of being exposed to the political environment of the U.S. Sure, it seems innocuous but, all it takes is one politician to set the ball rolling. I'd rather leave the pirate be than even consider letting a bill that could potentially violate my civil rights pass.
Perhaps it's exaggerated but, I'd rather err on the side of caution then let a bad bill pass.
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And theres already two work-arounds for SOPA. Part of it anyways, they let you go around the blacklist proposed.
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Flaser
OCD Hentai Collector
brok3n butterfly wrote...
And theres already two work-arounds for SOPA. Part of it anyways, they let you go around the blacklist proposed. ...and that's news?
Security and network experts have been saying that from the get go. Messing with the DNS service will only help to further undermine net security it won't stop people from accessing "bannned" sites. It will also criminalize a whole range of people for stuff that shouldn't be regulated in the first place.
Will this stop piracy? Of course not. Even the bill's creators and backers knew that.
What's this about then?
Censorship. Corporate censorship. It'll make it easy to literally wipe people's opinion off the net and prevent net based business models from taking off... which is just what the doctor ordered, if you're a gigantic business who feels threatened by the net.
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Tanasinn
The Bellpepper
Flaser wrote...
brok3n butterfly wrote...
And theres already two work-arounds for SOPA. Part of it anyways, they let you go around the blacklist proposed. ...and that's news?
Security and network experts have been saying that from the get go. Messing with the DNS service will only help to further undermine net security it won't stop people from accessing "bannned" sites. It will also criminalize a whole range of people for stuff that shouldn't be regulated in the first place.
Will this stop piracy? Of course not. Even the bill's creators and backers knew that.
What's this about then?
Censorship. Corporate censorship. It'll make it easy to literally wipe people's opinion off the net and prevent net based business models from taking off... which is just what the doctor ordered, if you're a gigantic business who feels threatened by the net.
This guy knows what's up.
It not only applies to net based business. This is the job killer, which is sad seeing that the jobs aren't really making much of a comeback. The market is coming back but oh so slowly. People will no longer be able to create a startup business which would help out the unemployed. Multicorps however, have free reign over making new services.
It's like the timeless, "You have to have 'X' experience to get 'X' job, in order to get 'X' experience you have to get 'X' job" comedy bit.
Sure, we have ways around it (MAFIAAAFire and NoSOPA) and ideas that combat this (foremost, DNSSEC), but we have to examine the position of the government that is run by a bunch of 60 year olds that are easily bribed by corporate money and other shiny things.
OR, (suggested from reddit) we can use a loophole that is present in the bill to post links to copyrighted material on the whitehouse website. Yes, this way their site would be blacklisted solely because their site links to copyrighted content (as implied by the bill itself). Personally I doubt that would work. Does anyone still think the government would even follow their own rules? I don't
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It's the next stepping stone in a long line of stone in a river, regardless of how this ends it'll just be brought back up worded slightly different and well be one step closer to that bleak river bank with some shady guys holding things you can't quite tell what they are, shouting something you can't quite hear but might sound like chanting.
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I'm curious if anyone has seen this recently. It details how there is more to SOPA then just big corporations wanting to stop piracy, it's actually more focused on the companies themselves and what they have planned. Though at the end of the day it does come down to power and money.