[Locked] What is Religion and the Holy Books Really?
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do you know why Adam bit into the apple?
because Eve deceived him.
do you know why eve tricked Adam?
because she was deceived and she didn't want to feel alone in her doom.
point being misery loves company.
if you were tricked into eating something that will make you die within a short time would you trick some one else into eating it too so that they will die with you?
that story is well over 2000 years old and still holds deep meaning today.
in fact that very story is written in the first written language in the first written book. those two facts alone is enough proof i need to know that people befor me have lived and wish to pass on something of worth and value. to teach and govern to not let others make the same grave mistakes. but still people every day make that mistake of leading people to their demise thats so sad that you dont see that
because Eve deceived him.
do you know why eve tricked Adam?
because she was deceived and she didn't want to feel alone in her doom.
point being misery loves company.
if you were tricked into eating something that will make you die within a short time would you trick some one else into eating it too so that they will die with you?
that story is well over 2000 years old and still holds deep meaning today.
in fact that very story is written in the first written language in the first written book. those two facts alone is enough proof i need to know that people befor me have lived and wish to pass on something of worth and value. to teach and govern to not let others make the same grave mistakes. but still people every day make that mistake of leading people to their demise thats so sad that you dont see that
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zman361 wrote...
do you know why Adam bit into the apple?because Eve deceived him.
do you know why eve tricked Adam?
because she was deceived and she didn't want to feel alone in her doom.
point being misery loves company.
if you were tricked into eating something that will make you die within a short time would you trick some one else into eating it too so that they will die with you?
that story is well over 2000 years old and still holds deep meaning today.
in fact that very story is written in the first written language in the first written book. those two facts alone is enough proof i need to know that people befor me have lived and wish to pass on something of worth and value. to teach and govern to not let others make the same grave mistakes. but still people every day make that mistake of leading people to their demise thats so sad that you dont see that
I just want to point out that the bible isn't the first written book nor was it written in the first language. The first written book and the first language were Egyptian just so that the facts are straight.
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devsonfire wrote...
Freaky Green wrote...
devsonfire wrote...
Well, if the purpose of my religion is to take control of my mind, I think it's doing a good job and it never harmed me in any way. People are free to make choices, and I chose to believe in my religion.My religion taught me a lot of stuff, things I should do, things I should not do, and I have to say, those things that I did or did not do benefit me in many ways.
My point is, I chose my religion because I feel comfortable believing it.
Mind Control doesn't necessary means that it cause harm. There several different levels of mind control. you said that you religion taught you several things right? Being taught is form of mind of control, the reason being that it is one most commonly use type inception, and when you are under the influence of inception you really don't have free will, in other words most people's choices are really their's. If you don't believe me ask yourself this, if your religion was around will you still be the same you? You can't honestly say that the choices you made are yours if you slacking off your ability to free think.
Well, even if it is mind control, it's controlling me so I don't do stupid things.
My religion forbids me from drinking, because it can cause harm.
My religion forbids me from smoking, because it's not good for my body.
And, if I wasn't in my religion, I'd be doing this stupid things that could lead me astray, so, I stick to my belief. It doesn't matter if there are things that I should try but I can't because my religion says so, I am happy the way I am anyway.
You said religion is keeping you from doing drugs and other bad things. I strongly disagree with you. Religion or not what you do is of your own free will. That's why people who Are religious to still do drugs, it's of your own choice. If you were not religious I believe you wouldn't do drugs because you are smart enough to realize that it's bad from what you've seen or heard. You shouldn't give your religion the credit and give yourself that credit. You chose not to do drugs no matter for religious reasons or otherwise.
Sorry if im insulting you for telling you what you would do. And to be clear I'm not trying to Disuade you from your religion I'm just saying people give religion to much credit for their actions.
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devsonfire
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Freaky Green wrote...
First of all, I never once said there were no benefits from religion, like a working community or funding building schools, well not too sure schools are really a good thing, and things of that nature. Second of all, why would you think God would want to create something to get benefit from it? You once again prove my point of the mind manipulation behind religion.
Here comes another one of my big guns. Who do you believe in more God or the men who created and spread religion and the "holy books"?
Indeed you never said there is no benefits, I just brought that matter up so you know my point of view as a theist.
You're right, I mis worded that part. I had a feeling.
If I explain that part the way I want to explain it so you understand, I am gonna sound like those people on the street that is trying to preach their respective religion, so unless you really wanna know what I have in mind in that, tell me and I'll be glad to explain it to you.
For your big gun, this is how I believe it.
I believe God created a messenger to spread the knowledge of my religion, and the holy books is the word of my God and only His word. I don't understand what you meant by "those men".
Subete o kui tsukusu kuro wrote...
You said religion is keeping you from doing drugs and other bad things right? I strongly disagree with you. Religion or not what you do is of your own free will. That's why people who Are religious to still do drugs, it's of your own choice. If you were not religious I believe you wouldn't do drugs because you are smart enough to realize that it's bad from what you've seen or heard. You shouldn't give your religion the credit and give yourself that credit. You chose not to do drugs no matter for religious reasons or otherwise.
Sorry if im insulting you for telling you what you would do.
If religion already forbids people to do those stuff, they are just ignoring the fact that it's not allowed and still uses them. It sure is their free will, but that does not mean they are not going to receive the consequences.
Well, it was said in the my holy books not to do something that can harm myself.
Alcohol was clearly forbidden (even though I tried them once just to find out how it taste). I chose not to do drugs and alcohol because my religion forbids it, and because I am smart enough not to consume them.
I do want to use an example.
Like, say you're a kid. You're just doing as you're told by your parents, right? Once, they tell you not to eat chocolate. You would do one of the two things. Be stubborn and eat chocolate, or listen to your parents and don't eat the chocolate. Later on, you found out that you have an allergic to chocolate. You were a kid, you didn't know what an allergic was, but later on, you're starting to understand what the consequences are if you eat chocolate.
Sure, I am intelligent enough to know that drugs aren't good for me, but to know the fact that my religion also mentioned it in my holy books makes me feel like my religion cares about my health being.
EDIT: Don't double post.
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Freaky Green wrote...
Lishy1 wrote...
. . . . . . . . . . . . .Aliens
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I am guessing that you believe in that God is really an alien hypothesis.
Well technically he IS an extraterrestrial if he comes from space or a high dimension.
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devsonfire wrote...
Freaky Green wrote...
First of all, I never once said there were no benefits from religion, like a working community or funding building schools, well not too sure schools are really a good thing, and things of that nature. Second of all, why would you think God would want to create something to get benefit from it? You once again prove my point of the mind manipulation behind religion.
Here comes another one of my big guns. Who do you believe in more God or the men who created and spread religion and the "holy books"?
Indeed you never said there is no benefits, I just brought that matter up so you know my point of view as a theist.
You're right, I mis worded that part. I had a feeling.
If I explain that part the way I want to explain it so you understand, I am gonna sound like those people on the street that is trying to preach their respective religion, so unless you really wanna know what I have in mind in that, tell me and I'll be glad to explain it to you.
For your big gun, this is how I believe it.
I believe God created a messenger to spread the knowledge of my religion, and the holy books is the word of my God and only His word. I don't understand what you meant by "those men".
Subete o kui tsukusu kuro wrote...
You said religion is keeping you from doing drugs and other bad things right? I strongly disagree with you. Religion or not what you do is of your own free will. That's why people who Are religious to still do drugs, it's of your own choice. If you were not religious I believe you wouldn't do drugs because you are smart enough to realize that it's bad from what you've seen or heard. You shouldn't give your religion the credit and give yourself that credit. You chose not to do drugs no matter for religious reasons or otherwise.
Sorry if im insulting you for telling you what you would do.
If religion already forbids people to do those stuff, they are just ignoring the fact that it's not allowed and still uses them. It sure is their free will, but that does not mean they are not going to receive the consequences.
Well, it was said in the my holy books not to do something that can harm myself.
Alcohol was clearly forbidden (even though I tried them once just to find out how it taste). I chose not to do drugs and alcohol because my religion forbids it, and because I am smart enough not to consume them.
I do want to use an example.
Like, say you're a kid. You're just doing as you're told by your parents, right? Once, they tell you not to eat chocolate. You would do one of the two things. Be stubborn and eat chocolate, or listen to your parents and don't eat the chocolate. Later on, you found out that you have an allergic to chocolate. You were a kid, you didn't know what an allergic was, but later on, you're starting to understand what the consequences are if you eat chocolate.
Sure, I am intelligent enough to know that drugs aren't good for me, but to know the fact that my religion also mentioned it in my holy books makes me feel like my religion cares about my health being.
EDIT: Don't double post.
I'm sorry but I don't see the point your trying to make.
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devsonfire wrote...
and because I am smart enough .
I am intelligent enough .
Did you just say that 50% of north americans are stupid ? Like intelligence had anything to do with consuming bad things for your body . You speak like it was an absolute truth that alchool and drugs where bad but it's nothing more than an oppinion .
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devsonfire
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Subete o kui tsukusu kuro wrote...
I'm sorry but I don't see the point your trying to make. One may be intelligent enough to understand that things can harm your body, but to have a holy book that was "published" more than 1000 years ago warning you what's good and what's not good is really something.
DISGAEA: Never did, why would you think I said so?
I was talking about why I don't use drugs, and don't just cut off a whole sentence, you're missing out on the context.
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devsonfire wrote...
Subete o kui tsukusu kuro wrote...
I'm sorry but I don't see the point your trying to make. One may be intelligent enough to understand that things can harm your body, but to have a holy book that was "published" more than 1000 years ago warning you what's good and what's not good is really something.
DISGAEA: Never did, why would you think I said so?
I was talking about why I don't use drugs, and don't just cut off a whole sentence, you're missing out on the context.
Sorry i was edditing , let me restart :
You said that you don't use things that are bad for your body because you are intelligent enough to understand that it's bad for you . Most americans take bad things for their body , does that mean that they are not intelligent enough to understand that ? No , intelligence has nothing to do with consuming bad things for your body . You speak like it was an absolute truth that alchool and drugs where bad but it's nothing more than an oppinion .
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devsonfire
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lordisgaea4 wrote...
devsonfire wrote...
Subete o kui tsukusu kuro wrote...
I'm sorry but I don't see the point your trying to make. One may be intelligent enough to understand that things can harm your body, but to have a holy book that was "published" more than 1000 years ago warning you what's good and what's not good is really something.
DISGAEA: Never did, why would you think I said so?
I was talking about why I don't use drugs, and don't just cut off a whole sentence, you're missing out on the context.
Sorry i was edditing , let me restart :
You said that you don't use things that are bad for your body because you are intelligent enough to understand that it's bad for you . Most americans take bad things for their body , does that mean that they are not intelligent enough to understand that ? No , intelligence has nothing to do with consuming bad things for your body . You speak like it was an absolute truth that alchool and drugs where bad but it's nothing more than an oppinion .
People who consumes those bad stuff chose to consume them, ignoring the fact that those stuff can harm their body. I use the word intellegent in regards of that user's statement.
I don't want to explain what are the bad effects of these things that we're talking about, there is something called Google, and just to let you know, if those was opinion, there won't be deaths or accident in regards of alcohol or the other stuffs we're talking about.
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Freaky Green wrote...
zman361 wrote...
do you know why Adam bit into the apple?because Eve deceived him.
do you know why eve tricked Adam?
because she was deceived and she didn't want to feel alone in her doom.
point being misery loves company.
if you were tricked into eating something that will make you die within a short time would you trick some one else into eating it too so that they will die with you?
that story is well over 2000 years old and still holds deep meaning today.
in fact that very story is written in the first written language in the first written book. those two facts alone is enough proof i need to know that people befor me have lived and wish to pass on something of worth and value. to teach and govern to not let others make the same grave mistakes. but still people every day make that mistake of leading people to their demise thats so sad that you dont see that
I just want to point out that the bible isn't the first written book nor was it written in the first language. The first written book and the first language were Egyptian just so that the facts are straight.
Incorrect I did not say the bible was the first writen book I said that genesis was and yes indeed it is look it up Sumeria is a much older civilization than egyt scientists say so them selves you fumb duck!
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devsonfire wrote...
Subete o kui tsukusu kuro wrote...
I'm sorry but I don't see the point your trying to make. One may be intelligent enough to understand that things can harm your body, but to have a holy book that was "published" more than 1000 years ago warning you what's good and what's not good is really something.
DISGAEA: Never did, why would you think I said so?
I was talking about why I don't use drugs, and don't just cut off a whole sentence, you're missing out on the context.
Now I understand. Maybe I should Explain better. I agree a holy book published a 1000 years ago can be pretty convincing. So I'll say it like this. Something or someone could tell you that "drugs are bad" but in the end you choose if you want to believe they are bad or not. Or to say "fuck it! I know it's bad for my health, but smoking calms me." in the end it's your decision and you should get most of the credit, Good or bad. Religion should still get some credit it can be a BIG deciding factor. But like I already said its still your decision so you should get most of the credit.
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http://archive.worldhistoria.com/sumeria-older-than-ancient-egypt_topic26486.html
read this and then get at me before you dismiss facts my little grandson... I aint here to burn you im here to give you knowledge and guidance its up to you if you want to be wise or not ok?
read this and then get at me before you dismiss facts my little grandson... I aint here to burn you im here to give you knowledge and guidance its up to you if you want to be wise or not ok?
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zman361 wrote...
Freaky Green wrote...
zman361 wrote...
do you know why Adam bit into the apple?because Eve deceived him.
do you know why eve tricked Adam?
because she was deceived and she didn't want to feel alone in her doom.
point being misery loves company.
if you were tricked into eating something that will make you die within a short time would you trick some one else into eating it too so that they will die with you?
that story is well over 2000 years old and still holds deep meaning today.
in fact that very story is written in the first written language in the first written book. those two facts alone is enough proof i need to know that people befor me have lived and wish to pass on something of worth and value. to teach and govern to not let others make the same grave mistakes. but still people every day make that mistake of leading people to their demise thats so sad that you dont see that
I just want to point out that the bible isn't the first written book nor was it written in the first language. The first written book and the first language were Egyptian just so that the facts are straight.
Incorrect I did not say the bible was the first writen book I said that genesis was and yes indeed it is look it up Sumeria is a much older civilization than egyt scientists say so them selves you fumb duck!
Ok no need to get so upset, you need to remain clam okay.
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I aint angry dog its just amuses me that you don't believe facts when i told u that they were. Its like your of disregardful my knowledge. 360 degrees all day my nigga
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devsonfire wrote...
Indeed you never said there is no benefits, I just brought that matter up so you know my point of view as a theist.
You're right, I mis worded that part. I had a feeling.
If I explain that part the way I want to explain it so you understand, I am gonna sound like those people on the street that is trying to preach their respective religion, so unless you really wanna know what I have in mind in that, tell me and I'll be glad to explain it to you.
For your big gun, this is how I believe it.
I believe God created a messenger to spread the knowledge of my religion, and the holy books is the word of my God and only His word. I don't understand what you meant by "those men".
Sorry for the wait was kinda busy. When I say those men I was implying that the holy books proclaiming to be the words of God is actually false. You just basically believing in the words men like King James, who you should research on and you should watch the video that I linked at the beginning.
Here comes a bombshell, why would God need a messenger to spread his words if he could have simply told his words to you directly? Wouldn't that be a lot more simple than having a bunch of men doing it for you and not be no where near as effected?
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Freaky Green wrote...
zman361 wrote...
I aint angry dog its just amuses me that you don't believe facts when i told u that they were. Its like your of disregardful my knowledge. 360 degrees all day my niggaBrother you weren't exactly clear either
Ill give u that brother but know that bible no matter how odd still hold much more knowledge than either one of us could use on a normal day thats what alot of people dont understand that you do. And all these good talking folks better know that.
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zman361 wrote...
Freaky Green wrote...
zman361 wrote...
I aint angry dog its just amuses me that you don't believe facts when i told u that they were. Its like your of disregardful my knowledge. 360 degrees all day my niggaBrother you weren't exactly clear either
Ill give u that brother but know that bible no matter how odd still hold much more knowledge than either one of us could use on a normal day thats what alot of people dont understand that you do. And all these good talking folks better know that.
Well can you actually prove if this so call knowledge accurate and relevant?
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Freaky Green wrote...
zman361 wrote...
Freaky Green wrote...
zman361 wrote...
I aint angry dog its just amuses me that you don't believe facts when i told u that they were. Its like your of disregardful my knowledge. 360 degrees all day my niggaBrother you weren't exactly clear either
Ill give u that brother but know that bible no matter how odd still hold much more knowledge than either one of us could use on a normal day thats what alot of people dont understand that you do. And all these good talking folks better know that.
Well can you actually prove if this so call knowledge accurate and relevant?
Question me and I shall provide the answers.
Now if your gonna test my gang knowledge better PM me that. if its not gang related ill be happy to answer them right here
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zman361 wrote...
Freaky Green wrote...
zman361 wrote...
Freaky Green wrote...
zman361 wrote...
I aint angry dog its just amuses me that you don't believe facts when i told u that they were. Its like your of disregardful my knowledge. 360 degrees all day my niggaBrother you weren't exactly clear either
Ill give u that brother but know that bible no matter how odd still hold much more knowledge than either one of us could use on a normal day thats what alot of people dont understand that you do. And all these good talking folks better know that.
Well can you actually prove if this so call knowledge accurate and relevant?
Question me and I shall provide the answers.
Now if your gonna test my gang knowledge better PM me that. if its not gang related ill be happy to answer them right here
Ok how would you describe your beliefs referring to religion and spirituality?