Which is better, believing in a god or not?

Every religion has been proven to be illogical and inconcevebly true , that does not mean that a god doesn't exist but it is not the one said in the holy books for sure .

Is it better ?

We can certainly prove that God exists; he only needs to show himself. The problem is to disprove God; but we're not obligated to disprove anything, just like we're not obligated to disprove the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. The burden of proof lies with them who assert the existence of God.

I do, however, actively reject the existence of God, just like I reject the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, until I've received empirical evidence.



While your post wasn't directed at me, I'd still like to answer. First of all, name one religion that isn't organized. Second of all, I find it incredibly naive to suggest that something so apparently man-made as religion could possibly be inrepreted as the words of God. One reason is that religion follows a pretty clear pattern, in many cases, that shows the evolution of polytheistic aswell as monotheistic religions within human societies. The history of religion itself, and their respective geographic locations, only strengthens my incredibly strong skepticism regarding religion.
Another reason, which is related to my previous point, is the probability of God choosing just a handful of people in one certain location (completely ignoring other parts of the world, and their respective religions) and expect people to follow him, or face severe punishments.

Yes I was simply confirming that was what you meant as I believe the same thing.

my theology teacher once said that if we believed that there was no god, and that there was no purpose of doing good among other humans, then there was no purpose of existence at all. Albert Einstein, the greatest brain to ever walk on earth said that if we believed that humans are created because a hot soup of chemicals settled down and formed bacteria, then there must have been some intervention that had occurred as to why the soup formed.cause' baby earth was full of destruction during its climactic birth. same went to the big bang, how did the basic atoms combine and formed to explode even though they came out of nothingness? of course some sort of intervention must have occurred as to why this all happened. i don't believe that god exists, but i believe that something greater than us must be watching over us. (aliens, maybe?)

Don't pull nonsense out of your ass; Albert Einstein was an atheist. Also, provide references when you quote or claim something.
http://www.lettersofnote.com/2009/10/word-god-is-product-of-human-weakness.html

Personally, I'm not religious nor do I think that there is some sort of creator. But don't get me wrong, I believe religion is important in any society because it brings discipline and hope to the public; hope that hard times will be overcome by staying faithful, or that miracles will happen or whatnot. What I dislike is people trying to force religion on others, or criticizing for a difference of opinion. So in conclusion, it all comes down to opinion. I don't agree with the idea of worshiping a magic man in the sky that may not even be there, seeing to the fact that there is no proof. But just because I don't agree doesn't mean I'm going to criticize someone for their beliefs. Difference in belief has been the root of many conflicts and arguments, so why try to continue the cycle? You have a religion? Good for you. I don't.

And who created these aliens ?



Don't pull nonsense out of your ass , Albert Einstein was not an atheist . Also, provide references when you quote or claim something. (see what i did there ?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Albert_Einstein

Albert Einstein was agnostic which mean he didn't reject the idea that a god could exists .

(i don't mean that his quote was right though)

Someone restarted my religion thread? Amazing. Carry on then.

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And who created these aliens ?

I'm not telling that god is an alien, but some folks believe that throughout history, aliens have been present in humanities historical records
http://www.bibleufo.com/enigma.htm
aliens must have formed AHEAD of us which means they might have evolved before humanity came into existence. and there they might have gotten bored and decided to make another superior race and decided to watch over them from far away in order not to be seen.

Let's say we are the creation of another life form , we believe that god is the one who created us , then aren't they gods ? What is a god in fact ?

The question also remains , who created the aliens if they created us . You say life needed intervention to be created on earth and this would be aliens . If you suppose that life on earth needed an intervention then the aliens also needed an intervention to be created .

But less seriously , i would love it if the truth was that some aliens were just fucking with us and sent Jesus to troll us all and everyday they are laughing at us on their interweb ... Imagine if they created memes abouth humans to laugh even more from us xD

There's been light discussion as to Albert Einstein's religious beliefs.

Einstein was a pantheist.

He didn't believe in a personal god.

"The idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I am unable to take seriously. [Letter of 1946, Hoffman and Dukas]"

"What I cannot understand is how there could possibly be a God who would reward or punish his subjects or who could induce us to develop our will in our daily life. I cannot then believe in this concept of an anthropomorphic God who has the powers of interfering with these natural laws. [The Private Albert Einstein]"

"The man who is thoroughly convinced of the universal operation of the law of causation cannot for a moment entertain the idea of a being who interferes in the course of events - provided, of course, that he takes the hypothesis of causality really seriously. [New York Times Magazine November 9, 1930]"

"The more a man is imbued with the ordered regularity of all events the firmer becomes his conviction that there is no room left by the side of this ordered regularity for causes of a different nature. For him neither the rule of human nor the rule of divine will exists as an independent cause of natural events.
[Science, Philosophy, and Religion, A Symposium]"

He didn't believe in free will or a dualistic sense of a soul:

"In human freedom in the philosophical sense I am definitely a disbeliever. Everybody acts not only under external compulsion but also in accordance with inner necessity. [The World as I See It]"

"But the scientist is possessed by the sense of universal causation. The future, to him, is every whit as necessary and determined as the past. There is nothing divine about morality, it is a purely human affair. [The World As I See It]"

"Since our inner experiences consist of reproductions and combinations of sensory impressions, the concept of a soul without a body seems to me to be empty and devoid of meaning. [Letter of 5 February 1921]"

He didn't believe in the afterlife:

"An individual who should survive his physical death is also beyond my comprehension, nor do I wish it otherwise; such notions are for the fears or absurd egoism of feeble souls. [The World as I See It]"

Nor punishment of sins after death:

"If this being is omnipotent, then every occurrence, including every human action, every human thought, and every human feeling and aspiration is also His work; how is it possible to think of holding men responsible for their deeds and thoughts before such an almighty Being? In giving out punishment and rewards He would to a certain extent be passing judgment on Himself. How can this be combined with the goodness and righteousness ascribed to Him?"
[Out of My Later Years]

He believed prayer was useless:

"Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this holds for the actions of people. For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer, i.e. by a
wish addressed to a supernatural Being." [Einstein - The Human Side]

And finally, he was a pantheist:

"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings." [Telegram of 1929, in Hoffman and Dukas]

Einstein believed that the world was a harmonious and beautiful thing, ruled by laws of causality and nature of all sorts, and that this was the only rationally thing that could be called, and the only thing he believed to be god.

Glad to clear that up for everyone.

Positively repped ya for the epic post and the quotations. Einstein sure didn't mince words, did he? He'd be crucified if he were alive in today's "politically correct" world.

It should be noted that the Founders held a relatively similar position of Deitism. In short, the American Founding Fathers acknowledged a Deity at the very least as a possibility and at the most, to the core of their beliefs.

However, contrary to those right-wing idiots, they didn't believe that America was a 'Christian Nation'(The untold story is a part of the rebellion was to get away from the official church of the British Empire, as a quasi-religious state) or a catholic nation, hindu, etc.

They just subscribed to the theory of a Deity, a theory that science has constantly debunked.

It must be the twilight zone Lustful. We've agreed with each other twice within the span of a week.

if alien civilization created us, then what created them you ask? then it's simple! another race created them! then another race created the former, then another, then another. all forming a cycle of life among the cosmos.

then if the the aliens created us, they aren't called gods, they are the race of gods considering if they already out-evolved us, then maybe they already invented machines capable of giving immortality, machines that control the elements (moses splitting the water at the red sea) machines that re-assemble the structure of atoms (turning regular objects to gold etc.) machines capable of healing sicknesses (nano-machines and the like) and also machines that enable them to mingle with us humans by transfiguring their bodies to look like that of a human's.

yeah, it would really be fun if the aliens created their own Youtube on their interweb featuring humans in their funniest moments. trolling us by making miracles and sending prophets with powers to make us believe in absurd things XD

I believe that religion, as long as it is not forced upon others, is acceptable. It is good to remain tolerant in this world, otherwise terrorists will be attacking everywhere... wait.

Belief is a wonderful thing, because you can believe what you want. However, if you try to push that belief onto others, that's when I believe it becomes a problem. Obviously in terms of bringing up a child into a certain religion, that's fine. But when religious people walk round the neighbourhood, knocking on peoples doors and asking if we can spare a minute for god, that's when I start to dislike them. We're grown home-owners, not children that can still have there thoughts moulded and changed quite frequently. If I'm an atheist at the age of 21, unless something traumatic happens and I go to seek out gods help or whatever, I really don't think my views on religion are going to change, and knocking on my door hassling me about it certainly doesn't help.

Mini-Rant over. Just understand I'm not a religious hater, I don't don't like people within religions that force it on others.

I have to say that neither is better than the other. It's my personal belief that we will never find proof that there is evidence of an existing god or gods while other people will be the exact opposite and believe that their god or gods are the root of everything in the universe. In the end it is all pointless.

I think believing in something is good, whether in God or something else; it can be very powerful during difficult periods in your life. I think that if I was raised spiritually I would have been a happier person and would have found the strength to go on. The only think that keeps me going know is the thought that I can end my life soon.

Is there any particular reason why I should believe? I've been alive with my own strength and wit - I see no god in that, just me and the people who share the same belief therefore helping each other. Besides, relying on one to magically solve your problem is weak and lazy. The world is full of possibilities, the only time you really run out of options is when you die. The dead cannot act but the living can therefore ways and paths exist.