who's the strongest hero in DOTA?(1v1,lvl25,no items)

oh, rikimaru can beat meepo easily too. At level 25 without item right? so meepo can't carry gem or dust.

Hey, this bother me from the first time i post here.

why this thread become a MEEPO-counter discussion?

That's coz the TC thought that meepo is the strongest 1-1 character in regards to no items and lvl 25... and riki can be countered WITHOUT a gem if your enemy is someone like Tiny (3rd skill) treant(trees) or even anub arak. (3rd skill)

oh, sorry, forget that riki can't carry anything too *LOL*

errr, i don't see any tanker except Skeleton K listed yet. nobody choose Centaur? even without item, this one hero is pretty tough to kill, hehe

because there are some people who consider Meepo to be the strongest 1v1

really there are no strongest hero, all heroes have a counter against another that makes the game balance

though i still do think Leoric can do rather well in 1v1

syllar is also tough^^he can summon a 2700 hp bear and has high armor and hp himself

true enough, sylabear is strong on his own... I mean with his bear... Would that still be considered 1-1? LOL but the smartest thing to do is attack sylabear and not the bear.

but now the bear's entangle is not like before 6.61. err, i still think that without item, sylla is a piece of cake. use necro'lic (my favorite hero) and sylla is finished

You sure... I remember typing doombringer(Lucifer) around there...

sylla is surprisingly soft without items, its the god damn bear that will be annoying

@symeria :
really? i don't see it anywhere......





and necro'lic is surprisingly deal deep damage at early level, so, sylla can be easily beaten at level 6 by necro'lic. yeah, if we count at the underlings, sylla have 1 when necro have 4 at level 6, hehe

syllar has 2800 hp and 22 armor at lv 25,meanwhile his roar in bear form can add extra 60 atk and 8 armor to both bear and himself= =so I think he has advantages in 1v1 battle

really? without no item? i never noticed it... the problem is the bear can't get AS boost, so, it'll attack slowly and the chance to entangled will reduced while when i use necrolic, i can use chill to decrease the attack speed and have 6 revenants, and as long as i have something dying around me, i can get bonus ATK and health...

What are you smoking Rokusho? Bear does get the the atk speed boost.

Otherwise that 15% chance to entangle is more like 5%.

sylar has 22 armor with no item at lv 25 in bear form,XD.I'm not sure there would be creeps dying in 1v1 battle and sylar's rabid can add 40% atk speed and 20% movement.BTW,undying is the best partner to visage for his zombie army from tombstone can add bonus atk and life regeneration when the zombies die.

@EmiyaKiritsugu

i mean, AS boost from item

@bitice

err, yeah... tombstone need creep die around it, so it can produce zombies. well, if the zombies dies, that necro will get an advantage of HP boost and ATK if it's still can be raised. as for undying, the revenants will affect soul rip, so, it can damage or heal much more. but, i still don't think combining this two will be really good... undying is pretty weak now, i don't even know if he's suited for a tanker, a hitter or what?

yeah,udying is weak now but this two is very imba in former verison.undying still need to be a tank though he is not tough in new version.

hmm.. before it get "updated" undying was once my favorite hero. i can destroy one tower in 3 minutes and 12 sec (my top records, ^_^). but now, it's really suck and i even can't play well with it.. i don't know what IceFrog thinking...

any imba heroes and items will be weaken in the next version T.T,NEC,DP,Undying and bloodstone is so imba in 6.59 but in 6.60 they all weaken by icefrog..
BTW,in 6.65 ther will be a new hero called nightcrawer= =

waiting for 6.65 then ....

hey, i remember when invoker was a new hero. too much spell to pick and ended i only test it one by one without caring about the end of the game *lol*

Invoker is hard to use..I only play him once= =however,his skills are powerful and helpful to your team^^