Code Geass R2

What I was referring to was Suzaku being Zero. Obviously she knew about Lelouch, but at some point after the series ended, I'm sure that she would have figured out who the new Zero was.

That too.

wow.....the ending sure was shocking.....and by that I mean I was shocked that it didn't do anything to shock me at all.

You saying you saw it comming?

The witness clearly contradicted himself.

Anyway, it tried to keep it ambiguous at the end - after all, CC looked like she was just speaking to herself while staring at the sky. Technically Lelouch has to be dead, right? I mean, no matter how much they go for the ambiguous final scene.

And then it hit me. I wasn't following it 100% (and I doubt the writers were either) but it seems as if people like VV and CC can give their powers over to their pact-buddies (for want of a better word). I mean, that's what VV did for Charles, right? So if you wanted to run with the idea that it was Lelouch driving the cart, you could say that CC had given her powers over to Lelouch and now he's immortal like she used to be. It would also be a happy ending for her because now she gets to die like a normal human.

Lelouch got the code from Charles berfore he died, atleast that's one of the theories.

I disagree. Right from the start, Japan was simply used as a stepping stone because Lelouch wanted "a world where Nunnally could live happily". Emphasis on "world". Not to mention Lelouch's other phrase, "I will destroy the world and recreate it." So while most of the scenes take place in Japan (naturally, because it's a Japanese show), it was more about the world. My thoughts are that the ending we have now with Zero Re;quiem may very well have been the intended ending from the start of the anime.

Yes, yes he is (made it myself)

She chose to live on because, as you said, she wanted to be happy before she died. There are varying ways of looking at it but the one thing that runs through most of them are that (a) C.C. did want to die but more than that she wanted to be loved, or to belong (b) the Geass is a pact, you could see it as Lelouch helping her to die and giving her the love she wanted by taking the curse onto himself. She helped him remake the world, now he's fulfilled her wish. The second point also links into why she didn't want to die in the Ragnarok Connection; she hadn't fulfilled her pact with Lelouch yet and, as was said in the show, a Geass is like a promise, so you get the hard fact of the Geass mixed with the more romantic element that they wanted to help each other.

There's also the fact that the cart driver was in disguise. Now, the real life reason for that is to make in ambiguous. However, the only applicable in-universe reason for the driver being covered up is that he didn't want to be recognised. I can't think of any other character who would (a) not want to be recognised and would (b) be with C.C. in that situation.

Finally, it's true that being immortal is a curse but not only could Lelouch give it away when he's ready to die (and the recipient could do that same, and so on through history) but we also know that Lelouch is perfectly willing to suffer for what he thinks is right. I don't think he'd have much probably being "immortal" until he gives the curse to someone else when we'd just see him willingly get stabbed through the chest in order to realise his ideal. As I said, he suffered massively to get his part of the deal, now - potentially - he'll suffer to fulfil C.C.'s part of the deal; the return of her mortality. It also has a nice romantic element to it because he's showing his love by taking the curse and love is the other thing that C.C. wanted, as I said.

Okay seriously, let's talk random for a moment:

Is that a penguin? A stuffed animal? A Rappy? Pen-pen? Also, the lolicon is still a lolicon.

That looks like Guilford.

I'll have to rewatch that fight, 'cos I think there was something CC said when she was defeated that goes along with that theory, and suggests she is mortal now.

I also think it isn't necessarily against CCs pact to die that she passes on immortality to Lulu, and lives on in order to live out her life with Lulu.

But this is why Geass is so good, it has left it open to discussion (and also allows for OVAs and movies hehe).

I concur, looks like him :P

*rubs eyes*

Why yes, it IS Guilford! He still looks like a penguin to me though.

I know, I know, I am late to the party once again, but I'd just like to join the choir to say that

A) Thank you all for convincing me that Lelouch is definitely alive.
B) Episode 25 managed to do the impossible and salvage the entire show.
C) C.C. is hot!

Salvage?

You know, that's something I've never understood about the general opinion about Geass.

At which point, exactly, did the show turn sour? I'll admit that R2;24 was hard to swallow, but exactly when did the show rust?

I never understood the whole "Code Trainwreck" criticism/praise thing, either.

a trainwreck? well I enjoyed it so I don't care :P

but I do agree CC is HOT!!!

It never really turned sour for me, although some episodes was just a big fat meh.

I think people say it turned sour because some episodes seem more epic than the others, and so, by some super standard set by itself, Code Geass essentially has been claimed to be a let down compared to....Code Geass.

It's just assholes who want to sound "hip" or "in" by being critical and nit-picky of a masterful piece of work.

It's true that some episodes were a bit over the top and rushed, i think this was mostly done in order to reach the ending within the amount of episodes set. Given more time and episodes, the show probably would have spent more time on Lelouch doing what he absolutely does best, manipulate; and a bit more believably at that.
Still, the ending would not have changed (hopefully). The show is great and anyone who believes it to be a trainwreck (not mediocre, I can accept that) can kiss their own rectum, seeing as how their heads are so firmly stuck in there as it is.