Fate/stay night - WHAT IF we really have a Holy Grail War?

http://www.revolutionarywararchives.org/washsword.html

Happy? He had not one, not two, not three, but five, five famous swords.

now i want to see GW doing these as a saber

Why do you always ignore the most important points?




Did he liberate the United States using swords? Had he ever done any heroic feats using those swords?

Most are just ceremonial swords and dress swords. Which is obviously never intended to be used in combat.

and once again Nero is one of the worst Saber Nasu has ever created. It was created mostly because of Business decision. It's a good decision, but it just lacks the consistent quality of a "saber".

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Did_George_Washington_know_how_to_fight_with_a_sword


Also whether Saber Nero is consistent or not, it was created by Nasu and is fully canon. Your opinion on the matter is invalid.

HAHAHA, OH WOW


That's enough proof alright.
And you seriously believe any Fate/Extra character is a good basis for any kind of Servant qualification argument?
Why didn't you answer my question huh? Did George Washington ever do something heroic with those five swords?
But seeing Joan as Ruler can be Saber too, so there, have your made up Saber. Happy?
I'm outta here.

I second that opinion. This is the 1st I've heard that George Washington even knew how to swing one, no offense.

I'm so going with the Fate/Apocrypha version of Jack the Ripper. I'm summoning her as an Assassin to make full use of her abilities. Oh and no Mental Pollution activation for her so I can actually use her properly.

Details here :http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Jack_the_Ripper#Jack_the_Ripper

And for those that are arguing on Fate/Extra. It's POINTLESS to argue. Cause the rules applied to the servant summoning is different from the Holy Grail War in FSN. The summoning in FSN is based on the Throne of Heroes while in Fate/Extra its based on the Moon Cell's recording since the beginning of Earth and thus even THOSE THAT WERE NOT FROM THE THRONE OF HEROES CAN BE SUMMONED. Go read up on Fate/Extra in Type-Moon Wiki if you don't believe me and please provide me evidence if you have a counter-argument Thank you

Lol, this is a "What If" thread, so try "making" your own one, and it's funner that way. but keep in mind of the rules. :D

You don't need to make it detailed, just "make one" that's plausible and believable.

It's not as if I dun have any idea but I fell in love with that Servant so I choose not to.

Let's say that we forget Nero was canon. He can still pass as a Saber because at his time people especially him really enjoy using swords (can also be used for execution), not to mention, that it is the weapon of preference for his time.

George Washington, on the other hand, would only his sword (I think it's a saber) when:
1. He's out of ammunition, and
2. His enemies managed to get close
Looking at his battles and the way he fights them, his weapon of preference (even me at that time) is still a gun. He won't charge an opposing army with a sword. He loves hit and run.
George is a nice servant, but he can only go as an archer class. He can use a sword but he'll be like Gilgamesh.

Remember Gilgamesh has a lot of melee weapons that he uses when enemies get closer to him (short-mid range). Ea, his strongest noble phantasm, is a sword that can be used at mid-long range. However, the way that he throws his items/weapons in Gate of Babylon made him an archer (because it is his favorite and most used tactic).

LOL Now that is a nasty servant. That is my first target if we are in the same war. An arrow guided to the heel... well, it's bad. (Since, it'll be a shot guided by the gods again).

Well to be more detailed, you said



And i provided the names for his swords.
OR means one or the other, not both.




Good or not is pure opinion. While the fact is they are canon

How exactly does this Ruler class work?

... I am being trolled, am I? I'll bite one last time.

First of all, good job for misunderstanding my post and using my words for your advantage. Let me explain what I meant in my first question. Saber was known for her Excalibur. Siegfried was known for Balmung. Was George Washington known for his swords? Did he gain name from those swords? No? That means he doesn't pass any of those two conditions. From what I read in that article, most of those swords were bought by the people who gave them to him, and some are clearly stated as decorative swords. Wow, special swords indeed.

I didn't say Fate/Extra is bad for comparison out of my opinion. It is a fact that:
1.Fate/Extra's Grail system is different than the normal HGW
2.Many Servants summoned in Extra's Grail doesn't qualify as Servants in normal HGW
3.OP wanted a Servant thread with the usual Fuyuki HGW rules (real legends, classifications according to historical records, etc) except for the Hassan= Assassin rule

Therefore, it is a fact that using a Servant summoned by a different kind of Grail as an example for this thread is BAD. No, it's not pure opinion. It's a fact that it's bad using Nero or any Extra Servant for your argument because you're comparing apple to orange.
On the other hand, you thinking of George qualifies as Saber no matter what people said, now that's an opinion.

I wonder if you really know about Nasuverse when all you can do is spout IT'S THERE SO IT'S CANON SO IT'S TRUE while disregarding the facts stated in the source material AND this thread. So I guess Arcueid can be summoned as a Servant is canon because she's summoned in Extra? What's next, Satsujinki? Ryougi Shiki?
I'll just hope George Washington will really become a character in some Fate/Whateverspinoff Nasu shits on so you can jerk off happily and stop giving me headache from your baseless assumptions.



even OP agreed, don't bother with him.

I can't believe I'm wasting my time arguing about something this useless. I'll give a 7/10, good job. Sorry for derailing your thread OP, this will be my last post about this George Washington fanfiction here, I swear.

Not sure what you mean. Western culture was not the only civilization around during that period. Furthermore, don't forget the Mage's Association and the church were around during that period in Nasuverse as well. In history, we may not know who belonged in these groups but we can use our imagination just as well as Nasu did. :)

Also, G. Washington is known to have been a Freemason which has many conspiracy theories involved with the group as a secret society. Portrayed similarly to the Illuminati which might make his story more interesting.



If this were the way servants were categorized into class, then Gilgamesh wouldn't be Archer.

IMO G. Washington would be perfect as many of the historical documentation of the Revelutionary era were lost which leaves it open for your own interpretation. We can't completely rely on legends and history alone, as Nasu misconstrued many a lengend and history himself to write his novels.

Thank you, people take it way too literal and don't realize how much Nasu drives away from the original lore to meet his needs.

I mean look at Rider from Fate/Stay night.
Why is Medusa a rider exactly?

She is not famous for riding, nor actually rode any sort of beast.
Only connection is that Pegasus was born from her neck after she was slain.
They never were even alive during the same time.
Yet she is a Rider, no?

Gilgamesh had a single sword, that he didn't even use that much. Yet he is an Archer that can spam a shit load of weapons? That is totally added by Nasu.

Was Alexander the Great famous for riding a chariot? No, he wasn't.

http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Ruler#Joan_of_Arc

Ruler: Servants placed in this class would have governed the Holy Grail War.

I'd probably go with Zhao Yun as a lancer, perfect man for the job~ But having Leonardo da Vinci as a caster would be awesome too.

It's from Nasu's lolwriting about how in modern era heroic deeds are no longer considered spectacular thanks to technology, and if a gunslinger is considered famous it's not because of his own skill but rather the capabilities of his guns, thus the guns will be the ones that become Heroic Spirits, it was in the second Character Material iirc. It's nearly impossible for people who live in era of guns and science to believe in gods or heroes anymore, thus creating less legends and legendary figures.
And I guess you're right about the Freemason background, it is really exploitable for adding original settings.



Bro, you missed the reason why me and kaimax went so far explaining things to him. Anyone can be anything with Nasu's lolwriting but we were looking from currently existing sources here. If the words of Nasu is used as an excuse then I can just use some Japanese samurai character and claim he's a Saber/Rider/whatever because lol Nasu will provide a background story to make it reasonable later.

This went from a fun thing into people being mad :