Fate/stay night - WHAT IF we really have a Holy Grail War?

Lol, after reading that, I think he's more of a Berserker XD ROFL.

Lololol, I didn't think about that til now.

There is no mention of needing a noble phantasm related to the category in the description given for the classes. To see what it exactly entails:



Yes, most all the hero's summoned in respective classes have noble phantasms pertaining to their classes, but not all do. For example, in Fate/Apocrypha, Vlad III is summoned without a named lance.



What the hell are you talking about? If you look at the beginning of the argument, it starts with you denying Souls G.W. because guns were the primary means of warfare. somesome is the one that brings up the noble phantasm which was all too convenient for you.

I hope you're not just saying that because I provided evidence against your original argument.

Also, just in case for future reference:



Source: http://www.georgewashington.si.edu/portrait/sword.html



Apparently didn't even get to the basics as he was known to be a swordsman.

Myths involving chopping down the tree, how he was viewed as almost immortal because his battle coat had bullet holes yet he was unharmed, etc.

Although I joined this discussion as a devil's advocate and to help the underdog, it's starting to annoy me to see how anal people are being about this.

I withdraw, I'm getting tired of dealing with Souls, but I still won't accept George as a Saber just because he can use a sword, That's a very cheap reason.
Now i'm going to talk like him You can hate me for now, but I'm really at the end of my nerves.
If that's the only reason, then why EMIYA and Gil are not classed as Sabers? They can use a sword just as well as any Sabers.
Why Iskandar or Francis Drake aren't classed as Sabers? Drake was a "sailor/pirate" of course he can use a cutlass properly.
Why is St. George a Rider not a Saber? Ascalon is a sword.

Who said they couldn't be saber classes :P. Same goes for the other quoted people. Even Tokiomi was dissapointed Gilg came as Archer.

Dealing with me? You started all of this, also you ignore the person above you who made multiple good points.
Also
>Implying anyone you named can't be a Saber
There are ALOT of heroes who are able to be summoned into different classes. Like how they said Lancer (/Stay night) was also able to be summoned as a Berserker

Really don't see a reason for them not to be summoned as sabers.

Was just reading up on Archer and figured out he doesn't even have a proper noble phantasm.

BUT THEY CAN'T YOU FUCKING IDIOT. (save for St. George)

Fucking shit, now I understand the problem. You just don't know anything! Good heavens, that's why we never came into agreement, because you used our own made up fanfiction.net level imagination.

Let's fucking play along. Let's say that anyone who is proficient with swords can be summoned as Saber, fine. I hope this logic I'm going to teach you goes through your adamantium skull.

Let's say I am a fucking legendary hero. I can use swords like a fucking Jedi, killing people like pro. I also can shoot your face from 100 yards with my bow. BUT I'm most famous for having a pimp ride, a 10 foot stallion that shits thunder and eats babies. Do you think I can be summoned in the Grail War as a fucking Saber or Archer? FUCK NO, I would tell my Master to go suck a dick and die, why?

NOBLE PHANTASM, remember? The weapon that defines the heroic spirit, symbol of their identity? Fuck, why would I become something other than Rider, when my symbol of legend, my pimp horse, can't have Rider stats buff? What's the fucking use if there's someone else, a Rider, who also has a ride that can outrun me? Could I become a Saber, while my sword is just some ordinary sword I got from my fans which has no mystery factor to define its rank? Could I become Archer, when I don't have anything else besides "I CAN SHOOT ANYTHING FROM 100 YARDS GODDAMN I'M AWESOME"? If I play basketball with my friends every Sunday, does that make me qualified as a NBA player? I'm pretty good with my three pointers, you know. Just like Francis Drake is pretty good with her cutlass, I'd say.

Drake is a Rider because she's famous for her fleet and rides a ship.
Iskandar is a Rider because he's famous for his army and rides Bucephalus.
Gil can be an Archer because he can shoot his Noble Phantasms from his vault.
Emiya is an Archer despite always wielding Kanshou and Bakuya because he shoots Broken Phantasm and Shirou was a good archer in his school, and his swordmanship is shit compared to other people.
Heracles can be anything but Caster because he can use his Nine Lives NP with fucking anything. Bow, sword, spear, even your mom.
Arturia has a riding skill yet she can never become a Rider. Arthur depicted in a drawing killed Mordred with a spear, yet she can never become Lancer. She can only be summoned as a Saber.

I don't care anymore if you keep fanwanking Washington or whatever. I even pray that Nasu someday will grant your wish and have your dear president featured in one of his work so you can shut the fuck up and end my misery. Right now I just want you to get your facts straight instead of making shit up with your limited knowledge and faggotry. BEING PROFICIENT IN A CERTAIN WEAPON SUCH AS SWORDS OR SPEARS OR BOWS ALONE DOES NOT QUALIFY A HERO FOR BEING A KNIGHT CLASS SERVANT. EITHER YOU MAKE A LEGEND WITH YOUR WEAPON OR YOU MAKE A LEGEND WITH YOUR SKILLS ON WEAPONS.

edit: I wanted to explain more about Emiya since he's a special case, but I can't think of some way to explain it without spoonfeeding newfags.

That would be cool, wouldn't it?

Hmm, not really. Despite his big accomplishment, his history is not too old and he's not that well known outside US, so his overall stats must be pretty bad. Besides Abe Lincoln is better.

Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter!

I've never read that book since I thought it was silly. Is it good?

I don't know myself. I don't really read modern literature that much. I will say that the very idea may be silly but it probably is worth a good laugh.

Plain and simple:

HE IST STORYLINE JIBBERISH! Dat is all mein friend.

And if anyone asks you, just say this:

He ist an idealist wrapped around a contradiction, sugared with self loathing, cooked to a time paradox on high in the oven that is alternate timelines, and made by The Holy Grail, Contract with the World, and The Hero of Justice.

I'll add something later for a servant too! lulz

George Washington thread? Cool.

Lolololol deal with it people.

I choose Hector of Troy. Dunno what class he'll be in though.

My guess is he can be either a Saber or Lancer... All I know is that he was skilled in all available weapons at the time. A really versatile guy. However, I think he can't be an archer because he (and all other decent heroes at that time) thinks bow=cowardly.

Relax man. Your anus must be so tight, if I shoved a lump of coal in it, I'd get diamonds in two weeks.



Oh you mean like Gilgamesh? Cause you know Ea wasn't his strongest weapon at all.



Already made a point that G. Washington was known for his swordsmanship. Stop flogging that dead horse. It isn't going anywhere.



But you said:



Double meaning much? Ambiguity is not cool bro.



U mad bro. You know why? I do. You're just jealous he got G. W. first.



Spoonfeed this newfag. Educate me. Try and do a better job than the above please.

Sorry for the sardonic post, but really disappointed in how you responded. Guess the disappointment comes from having thought you were a chill guy.

Naw. He be high strung. He is a chill guy. He fandomed over making a hero precise to the legends when he forgot Nasu-shroom tweaks the stories of all the various mythologies he's come across for Fate to fit the servants' classes.
So I guess somesome was sorta an asshole this time. DX

Now...

I had fun with this (btw lets put this as "Fate/Another" since you can do battle with any servant regardless of the implications, like say kojiro being married to the mana on the temple leyline):


NEXT, I CHOOSE "WHITE DEATH" AS ME ARCHER! GAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

Just for fun

Accelerator would work better as Caster, since it's known he's physically below average and purely relies his power, which he would mostly lose if he was to go Bazaka.