[Locked] Discussion: Unlicensed Content Removal

I take it the all the unlicensed non-doujinshi content will be removed at the very last days during this month.

Everything I spelled out, the entire problem, completely glossed over and misconstrued. This is why you can't have a half-decent debate about this topic because people will cherry pick a specific sentence to go off on random tangents while ignoring the topic. Whatever, I will still not support this either way, and I've made my point and the problems with this move loud and crystal clear, if anyone had the reading comprehension to pick up on it.



We have legality issues and want to go legit, so we have to remove all unlicensed material and stop pirating anything on our site and move the company in a more legitimate direction so as to appease corporations overseas and not get sued into oblivion, but we'll keep hosting all the scanlators that continue to produce unlicensed works for the public for free because that's okay, they're their own thing, but they're a part of the Fakku brand name/umbrella and will even help do some of the translation work on the licensed works.

That double standard. What. The. Fuck.

If they can keep it steady and high quality like they have so far I can see Fakku being the CrunchyRoll for 18+. Just like CR there will be a rough transition period but look at it now. Thriving as much as before imo if not more so.

Ok, I don't think I've ever posted on these forums before, but I figure I may as well toss my 2 cents into the pot. I've been coming here for years off and on. I've considered buying a t-shirt or two but never got around to it at the times the shirts were available. I click the ads to help support the site. The one thing I don't do and haven't considered doing is purchasing books. There are a number of reasons for this.
1. I don't need porn books laying around my house for my kid/friends/relatives to find.
2. I haven't considered porn a sound investment since I was a teenager in the mid 90's.
3. I don't buy regular manga/comics so why would I buy hentai.
4. If I spend 5 minutes using one hand on google I can find more porn than my other hand would know what to do with. For Free.
Now, before you club me over the head with the altruism speech that you've so soundly bludgeoned everyone else with, let me stop you. I don't care. I've never cared. Starving artists don't make me lose sleep at night. I could not possibly care any less than I do.
Here's the kicker, I'm not the only person on the internet who shares that sentiment. In fact, I'm probably following the majority opinion here.
What all that means is changing the business model to a paysite setup is probably not in fakku's best financial interests. Sure the site may sell more stuff than it currently is in the long run, but I have a feeling it won't be enough.
Good Luck to you all. You're probably going to need it.
As for me, I'll be reading your content. Just not here and not after paying money for it.

Dude, you didn't get it either! This is what pisses me off, nobody fucking reads what anybody writes in their entirety. They're just cherry picking a sentence here and there and taking it out of context to rail on who the hell knows, because it's completely off-topic. None of the guys (below) got it either, yet they directly reference me, but just a specific line that's relevant to whatever comment they decided to make up on the spot to address that sentence only, and not the actual context and topic of anything I wrote. It's not rocket science, it's just reading comprehension, and it's sorely lacking.

The whole decision around scanlators makes no sense. Many of the scanlators under the fakku domain put out all kinds of unlicensed doujinshi, and spoilers, there's no word that any of them will not continue doing so. They're completely by commission, they'll do anything, and they continue putting out all kinds of unlicensed doujinshi until today. When Jacob says scanlators are not affected by this and they can continue to operate as their own entity, even though they produce the very content that is required to be removed from this site because Fakku has to distance themselves from it to go forward legally, and yet still be affiliated and work for Fakku directly and on their works, how is that okay? That's messed up. That makes absolutely no sense. You can't just make a deal with publishing companies that you'll get rid of all this unlicensed pirating going on here, while still supporting and providing a platform for the ones who produce and distribute/pirate that unlicensed material in question. It's a double-standard, and cannot be valid. Of course, there could be any number of things on this issue that Jacob just won't to put out details for because this whole thing is still being kept under wraps and as vague and under as many NDA's as possible. But the known facts of this situation right now do not make sense, and puts the legitimacy of this entire change into question.









These kinds of comments are what piss me off the most, because it's obvious they didn't read anything I wrote. One of my major points is that there is this huge category of this site's content, called parody doujinshi, that will never be brought back. And no effort was made, or at least made known to anyone, to figure out some way to license, or create a system to license, that content and bring it back. There is no alternative for parody doujinshi but to pirate, I made that crystal clear. I would've preferred if there was an alternative, I wanted to see if there was something in the works to create said alternative, but there isn't. That's the biggest letdown by this.

I can understand needing to remove unlicensed material to go licensed and legit only, and that's fine it's the right thing to do, but when they got that takedown notice, and/or potential lawsuit, they were in a unique position to start the discussion with publishers to start licensing content to sell on this site, which prompted all of this. So where was the effort to expand the conversation to the rest of the site's content that many users come here for? There doesn't seem like there was any, and yet they were in the position to start having this conversation, but the only thing we keep hearing is that it's just going to get purged and that's that, gtfo and go get it somewhere else. There are no efforts as far as anyone can tell to get doujinshi licensed, or create some system to support those artists that put out that material. It will continue to be pirated, and nothing about these change has any impact on that at all. It's not about trying to stop piracy, as many like to misconstrue, it's about having no other option but to pirate. The changes on this site are basically encouraging users to go and pirate it anywhere but here, because no alternative for them will be offered. Jacob has said as much that the site is moving towards original-content only. I don't get why, there was so much potential to be had but it seems to have been thrown aside.

And I'm disappointed. Because I will continue pirating this without any way to support those artists. Disappointed is about the only word that sums up my feelings on this matter.



This is about as much as I and others can hope for (emphasis mine), that eventually one day the reach will expand beyond just original-only works published by big corporations. But I won't hold out for it, since Jacob and his team have adamantly expressed their plans and it won't be the case.

The part where your comparison falls apart, is that I don't see the scanlators not producing unlicensed doujinshi translations and distributing them in the future. It's like if say, using your example, Wakanim fansubs licensed and unlicensed works. I made that pretty clear when I said "[scanlators] put out all kinds of unlicensed doujinshi, and there's no word that any of them will not continue doing so." I frequent many of the scanlators's blogs, none of them have made any sweeping announcement that they're not going to do unlicensed works in the future. Jacob made it clear that they operate as their own entity, so they can do whatever they want. So yes, this whole thing stinks.



It's really not though. It's a gray area, at best, varies depending on who you ask. It's perfectly legal in Japan to create and sell these works. What do you think Comiket exists for.



Yes. Really. I have to stress to you that you linked only what amounts to a submission to their Fakku Books/Store, and that doujinshi was submitted before these changes were announced. It probably wasn't subject to the changes at the time, but likely will be taken down by the end of the year, unless Jacob would like to take back his previous statements:





So on that note, hey Jacob. What are your thoughts on this and other doujin/books you're selling on the site? Will they be taken down too?

Umm... I'm pretty sure this issue has less to do with the author, but rather the copyright owners of the series it is parodying. Which, again, is an [il]legal gray area that Japan looks the other way about because it helps sales of the source material, but that doesn't mean these can be licensed so easily since they're self published with unauthorized material, not original works and big-name publishers. It's already been said many times already that the site's content will be original-works only in the new model. So there's a lot of explaining to do.