Apology

Oh boy. Someone's name dropping. Now I have to respond.

Now we're going to breakdown everything one step at a time.

"Why is this a big deal?"

To answer this question we must look at what got Koko banned to begin with. Koko harassed couple of mods on the site a few users against the wishes the mods. Why did Koko do this? This stemmed from those users who she harassed being mocked passive aggressively i.e CTFG's style at the time. Koko, being as hot-headed as she is, decided to continuously to PM those people about the subject and they in turn reported her actions to the mods (Waar). The mods (Waar) warned Koko to stop her actions and just let it go since mods already dealt with the situation. Koko disobeyed their orders and contentiously brought it up since her victim complex saw that she did nothing wrong that instead saw Waar and everyone else who disagreed with her was against her. Koko then contentiously made threads on IB about Waar and IB retaliated as rolled in the drama until she was eventually banned. After next couple months, she kept making alts like Mantis but instead of spamming she tried to blend in or bring up the drama once again. Eventually, Koko was given another chance in which in the beginning she was doing well even with the baiting coming from IB but then she eventually blew it because her two biggest flaws her hot-headedness and her victim complex came out. Those two problems have gotten her in trouble on more than one occasion yet she wants to come back not doing much about them. Even in the apology itself which I stated, Koko didn't state specifically what she did wrong and what she should have done instead so that most likely seems that Koko doesn't know alternate ways of dealing with being baited besides being bash and rash in the situation. And to Koko, if she doesn't know what she did wrong then she wasn't in the wrong to begin with which is also dangerous. I don't have anything personal against Koko nor do I have anything against her coming back but she has to come back when she feels that she's ready from what I have seen so far. I don't think she's ready, her two flaws still come and are way to quick on the ready.

Secondly, this is a big deal because her coming back signifies that perma-ban is not a perma-ban but through seeing of you did wrong, making sure you don't do it again, and reconciling with the staff but instead by just making repeated alts if that's the case then where's Yoshii, Zak, Mantis, Eikson, and Solid? All of them did far less or as much than Koko did and yet she gets a pass? I disagree with that. I know she's on prohibition with Waar's supervision but at least contact those 5 with the same offer as Koko. It's matter of fairness to those who deserve as much of a chance as Koko.

"You're just trying to push her buttons, Shotty"

Yes, my comment on Post your pics thread was uncalled for and I apologize but that was the case then why haven't responded to either thread since I said my piece? If I wanted to push her buttons then Waar would have banned me because Koko is under Waar's supervision like last time and he would punish anyone who would bait her purposely with same punishment as her messing up. A perma-ban. I deserve to express my concerns to her and her supervisor which Waar asked for. I'm doing as the supervisor asks which is the purpose of this thread and the other one. I was just going to ride the drama off to the sunset until you name dropped me back into the thread since I saw it was useless to continue to discuss this since this was already a done deal. Koko is back under Waar again.

An apology is an apology.... You don't like it because it wasn't up to your standards, well to bad....Your free to leave this thread and tell her to not to talk to you ever again. It the internet, so don't expect everything to be done perfectly.

Her apology reflects the fact if there was recognition of what she did wrong, regret, and adaption if she faces the situation again. This is someone who is given a second chance for 2nd time and yet she has to be told that she should make an apology thread instead of having the right of mind to already have done it. Secondly, the apology was halfhearted like a child being forced to apologize by the parent. Did fulfill the requirement? Yes. An apology is an apology but if the apology is lacking I should point it out to make sure that it wasn't purposely halfhearted. An apology is suppose to show the fact you're accept what you did wrong and that you and the other person/people are willing to move on with the person if it's halfhearted, how am I suppose to move on with them? If I can't accept that she's not willing to grow then I'm willing to not forgive her. No, it isn't a crazy standard for an apology it's the standard people hold an apology to. Look at it like this, if someone commits a crime is deeply regret what he has done, willing to change, and knows what to do in that situation for now on. I'm willing to give him parole than someone who just apologizes halfheartedly.

"All I'm seeing is Koko backing up into a corner'd wall and trying to counter it by defending herself aggressively. All of you got to chill the fuck out because this has turn'd out be more of a hate thread than a apology thread."

I can't speak for others in this thread but I can speak for myself. I don't hate Koko. Fun Fact: I actually use to be friends with Koko until she had her meltdown 3 summers ago and I disagreed with her playing victim in something that she did purposely. I just don't want Koko to blow another chance because she wanted to come back too soon. The same thing happened to me that happened to Koko on another forum but I came here and I matured and grew from that experience and through deep contemplation and mediation to a completely different person. I want the same happen to Koko because she's the same person she was when she got banned then she's has no chance of surviving here for any longer than 3-4 weeks.

***Excuse my grammar/spelling mistakes.***

No, don't ever forget this thread. IF you're permitted to come back you should never forget what you had to do here. It's a lesson and if it seems like I'm talking down to you it's only because right now you seems to be misunderstanding what place if any you have here. For now you're on very thin ice while I decide how to resolve this, any bickering and I will probably punish both parties but the only real difference is that you wont see a normal punishment, you'll get the hammer. I mean it, until Ive decided you even think about being hostile and you're gone. If someone attacks you, turn the other cheek, like I told you before; a bunch of people bad mouthing you in this thread wont convince me to ban you so stop worrying about your "reputation". If someone lies about things you've done, let them. If you're not permitted to come back you will only have yourself to blame this time.

Already knew it wasn't sincere, as did a few others. They saw through the wording, and know what she's like. But yeah, just a matter of the rest actually figuring it out.



Her last time was her 'no exceptions absolute last chance'
She was given the same deal, and broke it (as per the last 5 or so times) and got b&.
We're not pushing her buttons, we're saying this keeps happening, and she doesn't mean it. It's plainly obvious (if you've seen her previous attempts, and know how she acts) that it's not an apology.
She's only backed into a corner, because she's been found out, and has nowhere to run/ nothing to defend herself, because she refuses to make a sincere apology

Alright, my thoughts on the matter, this will probably turn out to be a bit long.

On misunderstandings:



On Koko: The negative


On Koko: The positive


In the end I still come back to my original thought: if she has changed she might be good for the community, and if she hasn't in a few weeks she'll do something to get herself banned and we can go back to our boring IB. Present new arguments now and try to keep them short.

You summed it up very well, Waar.

Like you, I'm willing to see if she can change for the better. And if she doesn't, well, we'll get some kicks out of it.

Nothing to lose and quite a bit to gain, I don't see how it could hurt.

I want these words on my tombstone, I just know I'm going to regret saying it.

>not having "Kawaii from the womb to the tomb"

Are you normal or something?

You did word it well, and you have cleared up a fair bit. Although, to be fair, the last time she came back as an alt (expired ban or no) as soon as she was found out, she was banned straight away... Which was probably her previous perma ban, but.

But, I honestly don't see what we have to gain, bar maybe her bringing some spice to the forums, like illumia did to begin with (and appears to try to occasionally with her pics and threads, but meh)

To be fair, if she can't take what minimal 'hate' she gets, she's doing a pretty piss poor job.
With her staying banned, we gain the lack of a koko (kek), but, in saying that, she'll keep making alts, so you can't really win.
If you let her stay, you won't have to deal with that bullshit, until she ballses up again. As I said earlier, can't really win, unless she has changed, and doesn't mess up.

Either way, I've stopped caring. If she gets in, last chance, no more.
But, regardless, I give her two weeks.

This is nothing like a CTFG tier drama... not sure if it's even worth a comment like that.



Most of the people are pretty chill here, though. I know one person who lost her cool here and there, though.

Writing long posts doesn't necessarily mean that one lost his cool, of course.

Edit*** Yikes, didn't quote properly

Opp's, Sorry. Ya ignore the whole Drama queen and chill the fuck out part. I over reacted, considering I'm the biggest drama queen here and need to chill out the most.



Ohh, you clarified everything really well.
I just hope she keeps her word on staying in Fakku as a good person because if she doesn't then everything I just said was pointless and meaningless and makes me look even more stupid than what Iam right now.

That's the fun part, friend.

Fun is a bit of an overstatement

So's ur mum.

Honestly tho, drama is super enjoyable.

That's why I stop replying in the threads. I knew it was already a done deal and that this was happening. Now we can do is adapt and move on. Koko is her own person and she with help of her supporters can face the insurmountable challenge ahead of them. I wouldn't mind being friends with Koko again given the opportunity since the ending of our friendship was on not the best of ground. She was also one of the first people in CTFG that I spoke to. I just wanted to voice my concerns of letting her back which any considerate forum member should do.

Yes it is.

You're a cunt.

How does the quote go, oh yeah, "Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it" So, it begins again. *shakes head, facepalms*

This is total bullshit. but your right might as well sit back and watch the fire works, and of course I will also be poking the sleeping bear with a hot stick for the fun of it.

Jesus is lurking