Why does everyone hate netorare?
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I personally dislike the NTR where it's told from the female lead's POV, or the male who is having his girl being stolen. It leaves a bad taste to the mouth since I lean to the romance/vanilla side. However, if a NTR story is told from the guy who does the stealing's POV, the self insertion to his role is something I can sometimes enjoy, since I can't say I like vanilla only.
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i like some netorare, but some were one of my favorite characters is stolen from the hero of the story is where i draw the line.
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Because People expect a love vanilia but in the end get pissed because it mixes with reallit. And how woman tend to cheat while the men do nothing.
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Myurton
Kiss Kiss fall in love
I dislike most NTR cause I want to imagine myself fucking the girl/girls, not imagine myself locked in a closet wishing I was fucking that girl who has been stolen from me by some asshole. Getting off on having your girlfriend stolen from you just seems kinda mentally unhealthy to me, but who knows I may be wrong.
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I've been cheated on (was married) and she had a kid with the rat she cheated on me with so I can't stand that kind of manga. Makes me want to murder every woman I come in contact with.
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Myurton wrote...
I dislike most cuckold cause I want to imagine myself fucking the girl/girls, not imagine myself locked in a closet wishing I was fucking that girl who has been stolen from me by some asshole. Getting off on having your girlfriend stolen from you just seems kinda mentally unhealthy to me, but who knows I may be wrong.This is as close as one can get to the reason. The more down-to-earth reason is ownership.
This is otaku stuff, stuff for people who likely never had a woman in the flesh or if they did it was a hooker or it was ten years ago. You buy the manga, sit down, and the least you expect is to be pampered, spoiled, the focus being on the mc getting all the good stuff. This because this is not real life but an imaginary world, rather there's several, I don't have to deal with the debauchery an artist is giving me. As you can see from Fakku Books, if I don't care for an upload I can just move to the next. You don't nor should have to put up with anything, you can simply skip a work on the ground you don't like how the girl looks or the sex being piss-poor, it's drawings after all.
Cuckold manga does the exact opposite: while you buy with your own cash an item made for you, you don't get it to have it your way in hentai either. That's why it's factually cuckold porn, people deliberately choose to be abused by the porn they consume, much like the madmen pimp their women to get a reaction. To a smaller degree, this is what happens with femdom too, it's like when white straight guys become SJW, sooner or later they'll get the "cuckold" label on their forehead. It's made for masochists, people who like to do wrong/bad things to themselves. Their instincts tell them it's wrong what's going on (rage) but they fap because they are masochists, so to them all that matters is that it's not "them" to have sex.
The other side of the coin is "why u no be the bad guy", but the real reason for netori is alienation. Netori is for people who can't into escapism the right way, and when they see Rito Yuuki they don't think "oh, an avatar, I wish that was me", they put themselves against him, go overly judgmental "why is that fucking faget getting so many girls and me, who was such a gentleman, got no game in high school? Screw him". If you noticed, a lot of netori plotlines are revenge-based, in other words butthurt.
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Paracelsus wrote...
Myurton wrote...
I dislike most cuckold cause I want to imagine myself fucking the girl/girls, not imagine myself locked in a closet wishing I was fucking that girl who has been stolen from me by some asshole. Getting off on having your girlfriend stolen from you just seems kinda mentally unhealthy to me, but who knows I may be wrong.This is as close as one can get to the reason. The more down-to-earth reason is ownership.
This is otaku stuff, stuff for people who likely never had a woman in the flesh or if they did it was a hooker or it was ten years ago. You buy the manga, sit down, and the least you expect is to be pampered, spoiled, the focus being on the mc getting all the good stuff. This because this is not real life but an imaginary world, rather there's several, I don't have to deal with the debauchery an artist is giving me. As you can see from Fakku Books, if I don't care for an upload I can just move to the next. You don't nor should have to put up with anything, you can simply skip a work on the ground you don't like how the girl looks or the sex being piss-poor, it's drawings after all.
Cuckold manga does the exact opposite: while you buy with your own cash an item made for you, you don't get it to have it your way in hentai either. That's why it's factually cuckold porn, people deliberately choose to be abused by the porn they consume, much like the madmen pimp their women to get a reaction. To a smaller degree, this is what happens with femdom too, it's like when white straight guys become SJW, sooner or later they'll get the "cuckold" label on their forehead. It's made for masochists, people who like to do wrong/bad things to themselves. Their instincts tell them it's wrong what's going on (rage) but they fap because they are masochists, so to them all that matters is that it's not "them" to have sex.
The other side of the coin is "why u no be the bad guy", but the real reason for netori is alienation. Netori is for people who can't into escapism the right way, and when they see Rito Yuuki they don't think "oh, an avatar, I wish that was me", they put themselves against him, go overly judgmental "why is that fucking faget getting so many girls and me, who was such a gentleman, got no game in high school? Screw him". If you noticed, a lot of netori plotlines are revenge-based, in other words butthurt.
I love that you wrote this armchair psychoanalysis and your username is Paracelsus.
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CharAznableCustom wrote...
I love that you wrote this armchair psychoanalysis and your username is Paracelsus.
Nothing complicated with what I said, I called it for what it is, down-to-earth. It's literally nothing more than that. Armchair psychoanalysis is when some fan of the thing tries to spin it as anything more. They don't like to be called out because it's convenient, they can pretend to be tough to stomach it while it's more like "I'm a real man because I take it up the ass, you're a gay in denial because you refuse to".
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huge_pixels
Flatchest or bust!
Myurton wrote...
I dislike most NTR cause I want to imagine myself fucking the girl/girls, not imagine myself locked in a closet wishing I was fucking that girl who has been stolen from me by some asshole. Getting off on having your girlfriend stolen from you just seems kinda mentally unhealthy to me, but who knows I may be wrong.
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Paracelsus wrote...
CharAznableCustom wrote...
I love that you wrote this armchair psychoanalysis and your username is Paracelsus.
Nothing complicated with what I said, I called it for what it is, down-to-earth. It's literally nothing more than that. Armchair psychoanalysis is when some fan of the thing tries to spin it as anything more. They don't like to be called out because it's convenient, they can pretend to be tough to stomach it while it's more like "I'm a real man because I take it up the ass, you're a gay in denial because you refuse to".
That's not at all what armchair analysis is. In fact, it's often the total opposite of that because when someone has no idea what they're talking about they can confidently give advice or explain ideas as simple concepts because their own understanding is so limited they don't have to consider alternatives or multiple layers of factors.
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CharAznableCustom wrote...
Paracelsus wrote...
CharAznableCustom wrote...
I love that you wrote this armchair psychoanalysis and your username is Paracelsus.
That's not at all what armchair analysis is. In fact, it's often the total opposite of that because when someone has no idea what they're talking about they can confidently give advice or explain ideas as simple concepts because their own understanding is so limited they don't have to consider alternatives or multiple layers of factors.
You called it armchair but that's your opinion, and you just accidentally fell into the "spin it as anything more" pit. There's other factors, like corruption, none that change that cuckoldry is the main theme; it's not that a girl is being corrupted, it's that a girl that should be with you is, and it gets rubbed in your face. You could pick one sex picture, one pose and the creampie ending, type some cuckold subtext and they would lap it up, because all they care about it's not them (This did actually happen by the way). You can like something without understanding why (scat, pissing or incest?), and you can dislike something and know why.
Going back to femdom, that Akai Mato story I'm sure you've read by now: 5 chapters, no sex, a lot of teasing but nothing else. Art is okay but it's no Napata or Hisasi, nothing remarkable or sexually impressive. The same people usually around cuckoldry love it. I won't make what you think is armchair psychology, I'd just like to hear from you why you think that happens, or why these people happen to also be in futa on male, pegging, chastity belt or anything "sub".
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Paracelsus wrote...
CharAznableCustom wrote...
Paracelsus wrote...
CharAznableCustom wrote...
I love that you wrote this armchair psychoanalysis and your username is Paracelsus.
That's not at all what armchair analysis is. In fact, it's often the total opposite of that because when someone has no idea what they're talking about they can confidently give advice or explain ideas as simple concepts because their own understanding is so limited they don't have to consider alternatives or multiple layers of factors.
You called it armchair but that's your opinion, and you just accidentally fell into the "spin it as anything more" pit. There's other factors, like corruption, none that change that cuckoldry is the main theme; it's not that a girl is being corrupted, it's that a girl that should be with you is, and it gets rubbed in your face. You could pick one sex picture, one pose and the creampie ending, type some cuckold subtext and they would lap it up, because all they care about it's not them (This did actually happen by the way). You can like something without understanding why (scat, pissing or incest?), and you can dislike something and know why.
Going back to femdom, that Akai Mato story I'm sure you've read by now: 5 chapters, no sex, a lot of teasing but nothing else. Art is okay but it's no Napata or Hisasi, nothing remarkable or sexually impressive. The same people usually around cuckoldry love it. I won't make what you think is armchair psychology, I'd just like to hear from you why you think that happens, or why these people happen to also be in futa on male, pegging, chastity belt or anything "sub".
lol! Saying that your supposedly definitive explanation is not the sole existing reason people could like netorare is not over-complicating why someone would like it. It's not like you're a renowned psychologist of sexuality who has an opinion with some weight to it. I don't care how doggedly you stick to your ideas, I think they're silly and don't agree with them.
As for that other stuff, I honestly don't give a shit. You could be totally making it up as far as I know/care. How did you even come to that conclusion? Do you write down the names of commenters on various tags and then PM them surveys about their fetishes? Either you're a weirdly devoted amateur scientist or you've got absolutely nothing to back up your claim that people who like netorare are into futa and pegging and stuff. Again, I don't give a shit at all about your theories. I would be pretty amused if you did actually have data to present but I'm not interested in engaging idle musings about various forms of submissive fetishes.
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animefreak_usa
Child of Samael
Im psychology fucked up so sappy love vanillafagging isn't coherent to the two part of my psyche that needs the dark arts to get wood.
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huge_pixels
Flatchest or bust!
Volaverunt wrote...
It's just a matter of self-insert.
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huge_pixels wrote...
Volaverunt wrote...
It's just a matter of self-insert.tumblr probably.
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CharAznableCustom wrote...
lol! Saying that your supposedly definitive explanation is not the sole existing reason people could like cuckold is not over-complicating why someone would like it. It's not like you're a renowned psychologist of sexuality who has an opinion with some weight to it. I don't care how doggedly you stick to your ideas, I think they're silly and don't agree with them.
As for that other stuff, I honestly don't give a shit. You could be totally making it up as far as I know/care. How did you even come to that conclusion? Do you write down the names of commenters on various tags and then PM them surveys about their fetishes? Either you're a weirdly devoted amateur scientist or you've got absolutely nothing to back up your claim that people who like cuckold are into futa and pegging and stuff. Again, I don't give a shit at all about your theories. I would be pretty amused if you did actually have data to present but I'm not interested in engaging idle musings about various forms of submissive fetishes.
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But yeah, you have your ad hominem stance, I have mine. I have seen, read and spoke about it enough to have my own beliefs, as radical as they sound, they don't cover all nuances but they totally nail the bottom line. Doesn't matter anyhow, it's 2015 and we still have matterofselfinsert comments, it's useless. Peace out. Prrrt.
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Paracelsus wrote...
It comes from observing and chatting, it's a casual sub-hobby of a hobby. I didn't even have to be a stalker to tell you Volaverunt came here from another place right after they announced cuckold porn tanks for fakku books. I just saw him pop up immediately and went "figures...".Nigga wat.