Are Mecha a feasible alternative to tanks.

you own a tank? Kickass i still dont my own car i have to use my sister's

No, but I was a tanker in the U.S. Army for about a year. I don't own a car either.

still pretty cool 1 up rep 4 u

I'll be honest, I will talk shop about the vehicles since I enjoyed messing with them, but the rest of the experience was kinda like having a pineapple shoved up your ass every day, I was so stressed out that after I would eat a meal I would puke part of it up, rather involuntarily too. I ate like there was no tomorrow too, always hungry, when I would go through my uniforms at the end of the week I would find tons of wrappers for beef jerky, muffins, anything that was somewhat filling.

Sounds like fun.

I've heard the stress of combat can get to people afterwards, but on duty?

Anyways, hasn't a certain valid point been missed somewhere along the line?

Remember I mentioned RTS tech trees?

I'm getting the feeling that you sorta don't, because that analogy sums up the entire discussion that has come after it.

Yes, right now, Tanks >>> Mechs. That's obvious. Tanks have had quite a long time to become awesome, and if new tech is in the works for them, then they will get awesomer.

Mechs, on the other hand, are a old concept that's only just getting it's legs.

First gen mechs will perform exactly like first-gen tanks. Like shit.

Think about it this way: The mecha seen in FMP, Gundam, Code Geass, etc... are fairly far up the tech tree. They have energy sources, armor, proper propulsion, and a variety of weapons.

If you can process that, then arguing serves no purpose.

It's simply a better tech tree. Sure, it has crappy starting units, but midtree up is incredible.

Except the world doesn't work like that, it is sort of similar to that but you have to consider the physics of what you are trying to build in addition to you tech level, somethings are physically possible just never a good idea.

I didn't forget I just dismissed it because that's not how things work.

...The world does not work that way?

Boy, do not lecture me on the way the world works. It works however the fuck it wants to work. We deal with it.

Wrap your mind around this, if you can: You're precious "Physics" are an unstable, crumbly, rocky tip of an iceberg that we are not sure we can fully balance on yet.

100 years ago, a nuclear missile was a "Impossibility". Now, it's just there.

Before that, planes were the deluded dreams of people wanting to be birds.

Before that, Tanks were some sort of vague concept dreamt up by a lunatic.

Before that, Cars were some sort of silly idea someone had in a pub.

Before that, Trains were a odd idea someone had.

Before that, boats were just large bits of driftwood someone had the bright idea to cling to.

Before that, Fire scary.

Physics is simply a term humans came up with to classify a bit of our living environment. We can change the definition whenever it suits us.

What you consider impossible now will simply be hard later, sorta kinda after that, and eventually "Pshh. I could build that from scrap in my dad's garage."

Remember that. Think forward a bit, if you would.

And then tell me something is impossible.

[This is not a flame-post.]

Mecha is do able it faces one problem mostly is the pilot. Either it would have hugely complex controls making a steep learning curve, or use body suits wich will actually tire the user out. Now 50 foot gundam mecha? probably not. But the e-swat landmates from project appleseed or the spider tanks from ghost in a shell? Definitely, a more crude version of that is in are grasp NOW but not cost efficient.

i only know one thing : mecha can easily crushes tanks with their foot

I was 16 when that rampage happened, I'm also smart enough to not drive it backwards while drunk or over a highway divider at an odd angle.
The Vehicles in Appleseed are viable , but as a commander I would use them as a heavy trooper, you know like the people of Appleseed did. That still doesn't replace the tank. A mech being able to land a foot on a tank would be an impressive feat, it wouldn't crush the tank at all though, especially since the average tank is powerful enough to travel at 2/3 speed with a tank on top of it (don't ask how I know this, mistakes were made by other people, and the details are classified.) 100 years ago the Nuke wasn't an impossibility it was a dream, there is a difference, a vague, and not entirely well defined difference, but a difference nonetheless. The same with most of those other things you described (the plain being a true exception), especially boats, man has been making expertly crafted boats since almost before we had a language with which to communicate. I am looking into the future and I see a lighter more mobile force, large walking mechs which are slow and kind of clumsy, are not the future and since the tank is fairly fast and only as clumsy as the idiot driving it I see know reason you would want to replace it with something that relies on bipedal locomotion, because it is easier to damage and at best the vibrations of walking are horrendous at that scale. When the Mech gains a Jet pack, then it is taking on a different role from the tank it is more of a shock trooper than a tank as they will probably lighten the armor to get more use out of the pack.

I have looked forward and the only viable designs either cheat or are only a step or two above powered armor, or actually are powered armor. None of which replace the tank but replace something else altogether. Now if they make a miracle material that is durable enough to take tank shells and light enough to not fall apart when walking, you could invest in developing gyroscopes, and motors, and lighter sensor packages since you will have to be able to see in a 360 arc, and a better engine for mechs or you could make better tanks. Think about it this way: the modern military won't fork over the cash to buy their troopers better armor, what make you think they are going to spend all the time, money, and manpower researching and developing those technologies?

That metal was simply gundanium, and it is an alloy the mixture of two or more different metals, which could only be forged in space at Lagrange points, it is a descendant of lunar titanium which as I understand is kick ass and something you can't find on earth.
Steel is iron mixed with coal (or some other form of carbon doesn't really matter) and can be made in your backyard if you tried hard enough.
The only Gundams to use that material were the Wing Gundam series Gundams.
Even then the absolutely primary issue as to why mechs won't work is because of height, there is a reason why modern military tactics has us walking in between hills instead of over them, so we don't get shot.

have you see Z Gundam? the enemy has a weapon called Funnels. it can search the enemy no matter what. the enemy cant run nor hide. the Funnels can destroy the Tank in a blink as soon it sense the Tank.

the Gundam is win :roll:

Right but that is implying that my tank using gundam level tech doesn't have a defense, you know, like ERA armor only set up to handle energy bolts too.

if you said so. there's a Funnel called B.U.G in Gundam F91. it will scatter in a countless number,reacting to sound,and quickly cuts the enemy with it's Gundanium-Cutting-Edge.

i guess the gundam still win :roll:

Nah, one wins against a system like that unless you manage to silence your vehicles, or create a scrambling wave to disrupt that weapon's sensors. I will say one thing though if it can tear through gundanium then everybody loses, except the guy wearing force fields. This also seems like the type of weapon you set up like a claymore mine, which is easy enough to avoid when you try hard enough.

Weren't we discussing whether mecha were an alternative to tanks?

Since when have we wanted to replace them?



That's...a little...more than a mistake.

Wait...how the hell would you stack tanks, anyway?

Wait...why the hell would you stack tanks, anyway?



Really? That comes as a shock. Mecha are Big Powered Armor...



Government can only get so stupid before reforms take place. Obviously somethings gonna give.

no no. it's useless if you're using a force since this BUG didnt use a beam edge,but a gundanium metal edge.

it's not easy enough to avoid,i mean,it's impossible to avoid unless you're gundam with improved Hi-Booster,because this BUG is swarming in a millon numbers like a group of bees. killing everything their sense,humans,animal,even your tank. it's indeed.. a powerful killing machine.

did the gundam still wins? agree? :roll:

Mechs are vehicles, powered armor is not, kinda, the difference being that one is an extension of yourself the other and duplicates your movement, the other is controlled like you would a car or construction equipment, Mechs are bigger than powered armor (usually at least 2-3 times the size.) the only mech I've seen duplicate your movements was the ones from G-gundam and those were weak sauce by gundam standards.

Force Fields of the proper design will stop anything and everything, from bugs to laser beams to air, yes you can suffocate someone with the appropriate use of force field.

Something that is a viable alternative typically replaces the thing it is an alternative to in a generation or two.

Like I said about the tanks on top of each other, mistakes were made, don't think about it.

No the government can be as stupid as it likes, look at the U.S. president right now.