Naruto VS Luffy

Actually it's funny some of you mention OP to be stupid or shitty or compare it to a bag of shit, because Oda has been able to surprise the audience, stay true to characters without ignoring them, and he's put things into motion for something to happen like 2-3 years ago, and there aren't plot holes. Compared to that, you've got a predictable manga in Naruto, the Mangeka has helped create tons of plot holes, and who's trying to fix things, and still can't get it right.

Coming back to the topic, Naruto vs Luffy ... hmmm ... Naruto has shuriken's, his sage mode, Rasengan, upgrade to the Rasengan, and a bit of wit. Luffy's got long range attacks because he can stretch, and under Gear 2nd, I don't think Naruto would match his pace, unless it was a Sharingan user at Itachi's level, or the current emo Sasuke's level. Naruto has a fair advantage with monster chakra through Kyubi, and that could be a hurdle. Luffy however can over come that with 1. Haki 2. A Haki + Gear 2/ 3 attack. Notice how he managed to damage the Magellan, and I believe a Haki attack would turn powerful enough to break ships, ya know that kinda sort. Kyubi however throws everything off balance ...

They both kill each other so I don't have to experience their retarded fanboys anymore.

really?

naruto. way more powers. way more power. more stamina.
luffy is fukken done for

Hmmm... This one is interesting.

My first bet would be to go with Naruto, as I know more about him and the art of One Piece is one of my biggest pet peeves in the manga world. (Something about it just bothers me)

But, thinking logically I would conclude that Naruto without the proper preparation time would probably loose just due to the larges amounts of focused energy most of his attacks require. While he does have the shadow clones, and we haven't really discussed if Naruto has time to go hide, charge, etc... we will assume that eventually Naruto would be worn out before luffy, just due to his overall longevity...

On the topic of rasengean(holy jebus can't spell that) effecting luffy's body due to elasticity, I would assume it would hurt him a great deal just due to the complex stretching and ripping that goes on inside the rasenblahblahspellingsucks. The same goes for the elemental version, with some assuming damages to both sides.


HOWEVER, if we include Naruto's Kyuubi (Which I feel we should, seeing how they are part of each other, and whats the point of comparing if we are gimping another character?)... With the amount of tails we have seen, and there aforementioned powers... not to mention should the 9 tails become itself again... I would have to greatly favor Naruto just due to the immense power and unpredictablity of Kyuubi's extra limbs/insanity. Even with Luffys expandability, Naruto in Kyuubi-mode (w/e... fox tails out, etc) has been shown to have that exact same expandability, only with the extra bonus of being almost impervious to damage, as well as all the rediculous things the more developed tailed versions have done...

i.e. nuclear blasts out of go pieces?


So that's my analysis of the fight... Comments?

At what time did Luffy ever give off the impression he cared about beautiful women during an awesome fight? meh



How is that? Luffy has much more raw physical power and stamina. Not counting Kyuubi w/ tails.



Actually, I would not count the tails simply because of the fact that when it comes down to it, there is no reason for him to use it. If he did, I'd agree he'd win. (He needs a bigger enemy or something)
My Reasoning being that he would need a good reason to pull out the Kyuubi. Have you ever seen him use any of the tails when he wasn't angry? Someone has to die, or his enemy has tobe Orochimaru or Sasuke or something...

Anyway, if I were to finally put the two against eachother, I would have to say that Luffy would win.

Analasys:

Naruto's punches and kicks vs. Luffy's Gomu Gomu no Pistol. Pistol has better range, and a variety of seperate ways to expand on it.

Naruto's Shadow clones Meets the fists of Gomu Gomu no Gatling Gun.

Rasengan Would have trouble actually reaching Luffy, and if it did, just the normal one, then I'd say it would probably hurt pretty bad. But when did a bit of pain stop Luffy? Anyone remember the fight with Crocodile? I know it's old, but I'm actually not that far ahead of it myself ^^'''

Anyway, in it, he had a hole stabbed through his gut, and he insisted still on fighting.

Not even a day later (Maybe like a little over half a day, and most of it was spent buried in the desert, mind) he went all out against Crocodile again, and DAMN was that crazy! He was as strong as ever, yet he had a giant hole through his gut! And it was BLEEDING still!
Beyond that, there's all the other times Luffy's taken some fucked up attacks.

Don Krieg's exploding Spear (Cut while getting exploded. ouch)

so yeah, there's little to nothing Naruto could end up doing that would put Luffy down for good unless something pissed him off and Kyuubi came out, which tehn Luffy would resort to this gear thing I've heard so much about (Again, not that far) But it doesn't sound like it could handle anything above one tail.

And what the hell would Luffy do to make that tail come out? Seriously?

No, Luffy gets this one, sorry Naruto my buddy.

Also, why the hell would these two fight? :D They're like the spitting image of eachother personality wise! Same frigging character, one wears a hat the other a headband! :D :D :P :D :D
Not that this has anything to do with the topic.

well you cant completely negate kyuubi out too.

But on a better analysis, kyuubi's inclusion is HIGLY dependant on the outcome:

If we were to say everyone was in character and there are no real outside third party threats, and it was just a friendly arena-style 1v1 between luffy and Naruto, Kyuubi will not trigger under any circumstances as it has been stated that kyuubi cant be controlled properly.

on the same note, Luffy cant really control his haki as well as he isnt even aware he has it.

But with that said, luffy on 2nd gear most definitely can beat naruto but it is also limitted to how much stamina he has (although it doesnt take up as much stamina as 3rd gear). Do not forget that draining his stamina will be a bad thing as naruto has got alot of stamina of his own, so they both need to find out a way to outlast the other, one way or another.

@Mr. Bushido: Naruto's sexy no jutsu or harem no jutsu will not work on luffy, Luffy shows no interest on the allures of sexy women in any way possible


Having all that said, i would lean towards luffy as he can pull off his moves more often and as for naruto, the only moves that can even affect luffy are very limited, and his rasen shuriken can be spotted from a mile away so its definitely not gonna hit luffy >>; (even with kage bunshin as they all get destroyed the moment luffy uses gattling punch)

All of naruto's punches and even rasengan will prove ineffective against luffy and even if shurikens/kunais hit, luffy will still be unphazed, his stamina is TREMENDOUS (about as much as naruto's i might say). And only if he gets hit by a rasen shuriken would he lose. Lets not forget that shurikens and kunais are limited, naruto doesnt have an action replay code for infinite ammo xD.

However, on the flip side:

If we are talking about a death match where they have to KILL their opponent, naruto wins hands down. Coz when he is about to lose (die) kyuubi will just get unleashed (happend in the manga/anime before, i dont see why it wont happen again). unless luffy finds a way to destroy the chakra connection, which he doesnt.

The original use of the Kyuubatron was vs. Haku (for those non-narutarians, just a good fighter that almost kills emosuke/naruto)

With that logic, and the fact that some one else stated, depending on the fight... But as long as we are on the same page of impossible fighting, I would assume we are talking about a fight to the death, why the hell would you have a fight till someone didn't wanna fight anymore?

Kyuubi seems to automatically take over whenever Naruto should be dead... so along those lines, I would assume that, as I said before... and everyone else has agreed on...


Luffy vs Naruto --> Luffy Wins;
1/2 Dead Naruto gets Kyuubi bonus...

Kyuubi is hax and does all kinds of freaky shit;
Luffy is terminated, Naruto is 1/2 dead...

End.

Lmao, that's a good way to put it as well. *Sigh* Actually, in a death Match I suppose Naruto would win after a while. darn.

Alright then, anyone else got something? They convinced me. :D That makes way too much friggin sense and I now feel retarded for having missed it. *Knocks on own head*

Just a small side note though: In the fight with Haku, Naruto went demon because he thought Sasuke died, not because he was about to die. Actually, if you watch the fight again carefully, you'll see that Naruto would have died if not for Sasuke. The Kyuubi couldn't help him back then.

I heard a theory that this is actually due to the seal still being strong(er) than it is towards the end of pre-Shipuden. That's just a theory though, and off topic...

lt's see the advantages of each...

1.
luffy:>>
devil fruit user (gomu-gomu)
naruto:>>
ninja w/ tons of chakra

2.
luffy:>>
almost invulnerable (since he's rubber)
naruto:>>
fast... very fast, and agile...

3.
luffy:>>
each attack may cause one-hit K.O.
naruto:>>
jutsu (rasengan, etc.)

4.
luffy:>>
third, second gears... each w/ it's own pros and cons.
naruto:>>
kyuubi form...

5.they're both airheads...

I'll go with luffy - he experience more near deaths than naruto w/c he can never withstand...

Diffrent opinions? And yes, the anime of One Piece is a big bag of shit.

Are you really comparing an 8-tailed Kyuubi to Magellan?


More than hurt rasenshuriken would chop Luffy in half if he got it by it, it destroys the opponents cells at a molecular level.


That's a no go, Naruto hasn't shown to go 9-tails yet and is therefor out of limits.


It's true, he didn't even flinch when Hancock flashed him, i suspect him being gay.


Luffy's greatest strenght feat to date is running up that bean stalk on skypea with a solid goldball attached to his arm, that gold ball was calculated to weigh around 700 tons, Naruto's greatest strenght feat is throwing away Pain's summoned Rhino, it was calculated to weigh around 2000 tons.
So yeah....


In versus matches both parties are assumed bloodlusted if not stated otherwise, so pulling the Kyuubi out won't be a problem.
If you want a reason let's just say Luffy killed Hinata or something.


You make it sound like the clones would just stand there and get hit, they can travel underground if needed.


Since he now can throw Rasenshurikens range won't be a problem.
It's been caculated to travel at Mach 2.2 so it's speed won't be a problem.


Just because all the main characters in OP have some looney toons-hax that allows them to never die in their verse doesn't mean they get to have it in versus matches.


Read what i said further up.


They fight because i say so.


Sage-Mode?

Some of the past experiences with Naruto's clones in the anime/manga doesn't encourage a vote of confidence... >_>


Seeing as how easily Pain dodged the Rasenshuriken (RS), I doubt Luffy would have much of a problem either in gear 2nd. Also, Naruto would be stupid to use it but one RS, if that many in a match with Luffy, since Naruto was in sage mode to make the RS and it drained him. Luffy won't give Naruto a chance to draw in Natural energy. Also, considering the difference between Naruto-verse fights and OP-verse fights, we see that in OP, they really don't give much time to charge up their attacks like in Naruto, so if you want to say Naruto would draw it from Kyuubi's reserves, there's still a chance that RS wouldn't work. It took Naruto long enough for him to say a single line for him to create a RS which gives Luffy plenty of time to use a Gamu Gamu Pistol to cancel it. I also don't see where you got the Mach 2.2 thing...


Did you seriously use looney toons-hax as a way of explaining their endurance away? >_>

Pretty much all his fights he's won with the help of clever use of his clones, so i would say it do.


Ofc there's a chance he'll dodge it, we can only speculate on that outcome, but if he's distracted by say 1k clones (which is well within the range of what he can do) there's nothing that says that he can't get hit by hit.


Are we reading the same series here? They're exactly the same, if anything OP is worse.
I remember that chick from CP9 that took a frickin bath while explaining her ability to Nami in the middle of battle.

Anyway's it doesn't matter, CIS is off in this match so there won't be any of that.


I don't really know what you're getting at here, are you saying that it takes longer to say "Rasengan" than "Gomu Gomu Pistol"?


Beginning of the 5 second gap:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/442/04/
The FRS is probably about 2m from Pain. Next couple pages are in slow-mo. The FRS seems to freeze, and Naruto's KB pop out and try to grab Pain:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/442/05/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/442/06/
Then Pain stabs them and evades the FRS:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/442/07/
Which slices through several large boulders and explodes:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/442/08/
elapsed time: 1 second

Next page, Naruto is taking a breath, and Pain lands. Both of them appear to be sizing each other up:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/442/09/
elapsed time: 2 seconds

Then all the KB de-henge and begin to jump:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/442/10/
elapsed time: 3 seconds

In the next panel, the KB are still headed towards Pain. Keep in mind, most are falling, and none are using sunshin:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/442/11/
elapsed time: 4 seconds

Next page, Naruto makes 2 KB, and the clones seem to be in slow-mo, while Pain readies his jutsu:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/442/12/
elapsed time: 5 seconds

Conclusion: The first one second, a lot of things happened, and the speed is really pretty impressive because Pain really does dodge a point blank FRS and paries two clones. Also, most of that second is taken up by the FRS travelling through the boulders behind Pain, so his actions happened in a fraction of a second. If someone could determine the FRS's speed from this panel (something like 50-100m/s, maybe, however far it traveled) then perhaps we could gauge what part of that Pain took action in.

edit: actually, I recall Fuujin or maybe someone else doing a calc on the size of the CT ball using the average height of clouds and found the diameter to be something like 2km. So if we take seriously that FRS can travel 2km in one second (seen [URL="http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/442/08/"]here[/URL]), then we should be able to find Pain's speed to jump about a meter up in the air, or at least his reaction speed. Anyone know where that calc is?

The other 4 seconds do not appear to be as impressive, though. However, we should keep in mind that both of these fighters are exhasted, and it seems like there was a second or two of "down time" in the middle there. And seeing as Pain was standing on top of a tall rock, sunshin probably wasn't an option for hundreds of clones using only a fraction of exhausted Naruto's chakra, so all they could do was hope to fall fast enough.

*Edit*
Oops, wrong calc, i'll post the right one when i find it.


Explain it away? Ofc they still have the same durability feats as shown in the manga, i was just saying that they ain't immortal as they are in the manga.

Neji's fight, that one bone dude's fight are a couple example's that I was going by where they stood around like they were suddenly struck with down syndrome, but then I guess he did win a good many with his clones.


And of course, the chance of him getting hit is still there, but if Pain was able to dodge it, I'm pretty sure Luffy can. Pain was even able to dodge it recovering from a Shinrai Tensei he used (talking about chapter 442 that got posted with the calculation) to take out the KB and I think it's safe to say Luffy's speed is up to par with his in G2nd at the least. We can't rule out the possibility he's actually faster...


There are a few moments... I guess... >_> But not as often, and they usually get the convos out of the way BEFORE getting into a fast brawl.
Lol, true, but remember, she was in the process of immobilizing Nami (or already had her immobilized) so that still counts as being in an attack mode. :P


http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/432/02/
I was trying to refer to that battle, but I guess he doesn't say anything during the making of it so can't use that as proof, but we all know it takes Naruto time to create just a Rasengan, so if we consider RS a more complex Ninjutsu, we have to say it'll take longer to "cast", but then the inconsistency of the timing of the creation of his Rasengan kinda throws out that argument...

As for the calculation of mach 2.2, I read the chapter again that got posted and checked it out and I can agree with it, but the inconsistency with how fast the first RS travels in chapter 432 makes it hard to really calculate it's speed. But I guess the fastest one wins.


Lol, what I was getting with it was the irony of saying it was loony-toony as most of the powers in both mangas are completely illogical and impossible, so what's semi-immortality in the mix? XD

EDIT: I just noticed that chapter 442 lacked the character's naming their attacks. O_o

Well, that's you opinion, just by calling it shit is no justification heh. To each his own :p. You didn't comment on how Naruto was predictable or how screwed up the story is right now, or how Oda's storytelling was pretty good in comparison, so I'll take that the way I want to.

Luffy, under Gear 2, throws super quick punches which are as good as air punches like what Zoro's able to do with his swords, wind attacks. Magellan was full poison, but it still affected him. Similarly, just cos Kyubi is a body full of burning chakra don't mean it can't be penetrated or hurt. That's what I was implying with my example.

Only one other person mentioned Haki besides me, the use of which by Luffy in a combination with his Gear 2 or Gear 3, could also be a big big factor. Like I said before, Rasengan's merely ineffective if it can't hit Luffy. Luffy, under Gear 2 is much quicker, maybe as quick as Naruto in his Sage Mode. So, it's kind of a stalemate between the both of em ... but Luffy's ambition's or characteristics show a lot more motivation than Naruto - in terms of the lengths he's gone through.

I think you got it the other way around, if Pain managed to do all that while recovering, and taking out two KB's, only proves how fast he is, not how slow the RS was traveling.



Creating a rasengan, any version, only takes a second to create, if that even.
It may have taken forever pre-skip, but he's way past that now.

He doesn't even need clones to make the regular Rasengan any more either, as shown here:




There wasn't a timeframe avaible for the first one, this one however had the mangaka even state how many seconds it took during the time it traveled a certain distance.


What i meant was that everyone in OP always gets mangled to the point of death but still gets up again and again and never dies.

Prime example would be Pell that took a nuke head on and survived, like wut?
Same with Zoro during his fight with Mr.1 in Alabasta, he got the point where he could hear all things breath and shit just because he practically was dead, like one chapter later he's running around getting shot and jumping from clock towers.
They could have the moon crash on their heads and still get up.

That's why most battledomes call OP a verse with looney toon durability.



It's packed with filler arcs, it's packed with filler mixed canon, the pacing is at most time horrible, and the animations are average.
I fail to see what's so great about it?

The manga >>>> The anime.


Maybe because i don't see how your opinions on both manga's progress is in any way relevant to this fight? Oh wait, it isn't *cookiemonster*



Just saying that they're "superquick" isn't gonna work.
SM Naruto is faster than Pain who dodged a RS point blank that was going in mach 2.2, do you consider the "superquick" punches to be around that area of speed? And can you prove it?



The minute kyuubi enters the stage Luffy is fucked, so you don't even need to bring him up, and again, don't compare Magellan to Kyuubi, just don't...

This is an unfinished chakra blast from KN6, you don't even wanna go to 9.



Gomu gomu whatever is ineffective if it can't hit Naruto, can't see the point in that argument since it can be used both ways.
And the only thing Luffy has used his Haki for is making a few fodder characters faint, i don't see it affecting Naruto.



I haven't re-read One Piece in a while so my memory is a bit fuzzy when it comes to Gear 2, bring some scans of his best speed feat plx.

Also, what side effects did gear 2 have? I know gear 3 made him into a useless midget or something.



That has nothing to do with this fight, they're both equally persistant, that's all that can be said.

True, but that makes me wonder at how fast the RS really goes. If the author really decided to have Pain and Naruto move faster than mach 2.2 (remember, that Naruto was able to get him with a normal Rasengan in the end so that would mean they're equal in speed-ish) then I would have to say that's about as overpowered as half immortals in OP.


http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/432/01/

But we're talking about the RS, and Naruto has 2 KBs according to the above chapter to help him make it. Making the KBs takes time too and a split second might not mean much but it can mean everything in a fight.



Don't need a time frame. We can just use Pain as a "time" reference. Pain gets out of the way A LOT faster in chapter 442 as it was a lot closer to him then.

Look at the scan again, first panel, Pain was exhausted to the point were he barely could stand, that's pretty much the only reason why he got hit by it.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/442/16/

They're all immortal in OP if you're refering to the "main cast".
(in their own verse that is)


If he have a couple of hundred KB's occupy Luffy while he's making it the that won't be a problem.
If he chooses to summon Gamambunta it would be overkill.


OT: Why can't i hotlink images from OM? It used to work.

Still doesn't change the fact that Pain at least can still move faster than mach 2.2, which is 749 m/sec (1,675 mi/hr). >_>



Nami isn't. >_>



Gamu Gamu Gatling, but that might not make it in time... but then of course there's still a chance that it wouldn't hit... and Gamabunta... well shit, that one's pretty good... gotta think about that one.