Higgs Boson
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Sunduction wrote...
From my minimal understanding of this particle, it gives other particles mass. Though this discovery is only the first step, I believe it would allow us to 'create' new kinds of materials and such, or perhaps even re-create already existing materials by copying it's atomic structure. At least, that's what I think it would allow us to do?In any case, that result won't happen for some time.
I'll explain what i understand from it for anyone that want to know more abouth the higgs .
First the higgs boson cannot be used in any way right now and won't be for a long long time . The reason is that the higgs boson is something really hard to create , you need an enourmous amouth of energy (two atomes coliding togeter at almost the speed of light , like in the LHC ) . Even though , the higgs bosons aren't created every time , 6 months ago i watched a video and they said that on thousands of colisions , they detected only 3 higgs bosons . It's not only hard to create them but impossible to keep them . Once they have been created in a nano second they disapear transforming into photons or other particules .
The second thing is that it is not the higgs boson that scientists are researching but the higgs field . My knowlege is pretty limited on how this really works but this is what they said : Light is created when you exite electromagnetic fields , creating photons which is light . It's the same thing when you excite the higgs field , it creates particules , called higgs bosons . The higgs field is what really give everything a mass . Everything in the univers without the higgs field would go at the speed of light . Particules pass through the field and slow down because of it , this is what we call mass . There is some particules that aren't affected at all by the higgs field , like photons (light) this is why it's impossible to go faster than the speed of light .
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Now lets think science-fiction , imagine that we can create , let's call it an "anti higgs field" . What would happen ? No more higgs field , no more mass , then we can move at the speed of light . Would be awesome right ? :D
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lordisgaea3 wrote...
Sunduction wrote...
From my minimal understanding of this particle, it gives other particles mass. Though this discovery is only the first step, I believe it would allow us to 'create' new kinds of materials and such, or perhaps even re-create already existing materials by copying it's atomic structure. At least, that's what I think it would allow us to do?In any case, that result won't happen for some time.
I'll explain what i understand from it for anyone that want to know more abouth the higgs .
First the higgs boson cannot be used in any way right now and won't be for a long long time . The reason is that the higgs boson is something really hard to create , you need an enourmous amouth of energy (two atomes coliding togeter at almost the speed of light , like in the LHC ) . Even though , the higgs boson aren't created every time , 6 months ago i watched a video and they said that on thousands of colisions , they detected only 3 higgs bosons . It's not only hard to create them but impossible to keep them . Once they have been created in a nano second they disapear transforming into photons or other particules .
The second thing is that it is not the higgs boson that scientists are researching but the higgs field . My knowlege is pretty limited on how this really works but this is what they said : Light is created when you exite electromagnetic fields , creating photons which is light . It's the same thing when you excite the higgs field , it creates particules , called higgs bosons . The higgs field is what really give everything a mass . Everything in the univers without the higgs field would go at the speed of light . Particules pass through the field and slow down because of it , this is what we call mass . There is some particules that aren't affected at all by the higgs field , like photons (light) this is why it's impossible to go faster than the speed of light .
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Now lets think science-fiction , imagine that we can create , let's call it an "anti higgs field" . What would happen ? No more higgs field , no more mass , then we can move at the speed of light . Would be awesome right ? :D
Ho ho, I like that last possibility xD
But, I'm a little disappointed somewhat; it means the speed of light is the actual limit of the 'fastest' speed ?
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Sunduction wrote...
lordisgaea3 wrote...
Sunduction wrote...
From my minimal understanding of this particle, it gives other particles mass. Though this discovery is only the first step, I believe it would allow us to 'create' new kinds of materials and such, or perhaps even re-create already existing materials by copying it's atomic structure. At least, that's what I think it would allow us to do?In any case, that result won't happen for some time.
I'll explain what i understand from it for anyone that want to know more abouth the higgs .
First the higgs boson cannot be used in any way right now and won't be for a long long time . The reason is that the higgs boson is something really hard to create , you need an enourmous amouth of energy (two atomes coliding togeter at almost the speed of light , like in the LHC ) . Even though , the higgs boson aren't created every time , 6 months ago i watched a video and they said that on thousands of colisions , they detected only 3 higgs bosons . It's not only hard to create them but impossible to keep them . Once they have been created in a nano second they disapear transforming into photons or other particules .
The second thing is that it is not the higgs boson that scientists are researching but the higgs field . My knowlege is pretty limited on how this really works but this is what they said : Light is created when you exite electromagnetic fields , creating photons which is light . It's the same thing when you excite the higgs field , it creates particules , called higgs bosons . The higgs field is what really give everything a mass . Everything in the univers without the higgs field would go at the speed of light . Particules pass through the field and slow down because of it , this is what we call mass . There is some particules that aren't affected at all by the higgs field , like photons (light) this is why it's impossible to go faster than the speed of light .
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Now lets think science-fiction , imagine that we can create , let's call it an "anti higgs field" . What would happen ? No more higgs field , no more mass , then we can move at the speed of light . Would be awesome right ? :D
Ho ho, I like that last possibility xD
But, I'm a little disappointed somewhat; it means the speed of light is the actual limit of the 'fastest' speed ?
Einstein said it a long time ago , nothing can go faster than the speed of light . He didn't know why light was the fastest speed , but with E=mc2 he knew that it was mathematicly impossible to go faster than the speed of light .
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Anesthetize wrote...
Umm this is seriously a joke now.You really don't see how understanding of what makes everything around us up is not beneficial to society? Obviously governments and organizations see that CERN and related research is beneficial to humanity otherwise they wouldn't be funding billions into it? And i think they know a little bit more about human sociology than you guys do.
If i'm not mistaken other scientific discoveries and understandings, like the understanding of electromagnetic forces led to the creation of the microchip and most modern-day electronics? Or that Einsteins theory of relativity led to modern day satellites and GPS? Or that DNA led to medical advances in curing a multitude of diseases and physical defects? I'm sorry but how stupid are you to think this won't affect society?
Lishy1 wrote...
I'm pretty sure developing the newest 'atom-bomb' is not a good thing for the world, but whatever floats your boat.Nuclear energy had non-violent purposes too, but if we look at history, politicians are more interested in weapons. As a believer in nuclear technology, I'm actually tired of bureaucrats misusing the science.
And Higgs Boson sounds more like nuclear energy each day. We merely need to look at the past to look at the future. I don't want to see another Hiroshima.
Is this guy actually serious? DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT THE HIGGS BOSON FUCKING IS? And comparing the 1940's to now.....wtf am i reading.
Please tell me you're trolling.
>make logical assertion.
>gets neg repped and not even a reply
And this is why SD is a complete joke. 90% of users have no idea what they're on about.
This is why i said there was no point in making an explanation because i knew this was going to happen. Even though fakku is a 18+ site, the reality is is that most of it's users are underage; where they're at that age where they think they know everything about anything. It's something that becomes evident in SD
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Anesthetize wrote...
>make logical assertion.
>gets neg repped and not even a reply
And this is why SD is a complete joke. 90% of users have no idea what they're on about.
This is why i said there was no point in making an explanation because i knew this was going to happen. Even though fakku is a 18+ site, the reality is is that most of it's users are underage; where they're at that age where they think they know everything about anything. It's something that becomes evident in SD
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Lishy1 wrote...
Anesthetize wrote...
>make logical assertion.
>gets neg repped and not even a reply
And this is why SD is a complete joke. 90% of users have no idea what they're on about.
This is why i said there was no point in making an explanation because i knew this was going to happen. Even though fakku is a 18+ site, the reality is is that most of it's users are underage; where they're at that age where they think they know everything about anything. It's something that becomes evident in SD
Weren't you going to read a few articles and come back to me with evidence for your outlandish prejudice opinion on Japanese society and politics? What ever happen to that!? Oh wai-
It's not that i'm smart, far from it. It doesn't take an intelligent person to read a few news articles before making an opinion on an issue. However, it does take someone special to not have the attention span to do something that takes less than 10 minutes. The difference between you and i is that i read and research and you touch yourself all day.
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Anesthetize wrote...
>make logical assertion.
>gets neg repped and not even a reply
You kind of deserved it , instead of explaining him what the higgs boson is and explaining why he is wrong you wrote
Anesthetize wrote...
"Is this guy actually serious? DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT THE HIGGS BOSON FUCKING IS? And comparing the 1940's to now.....wtf am i reading."
which is pretty just insulting him and laughing from him .
Anesthetize wrote...
And this is why SD is a complete joke. 90% of users have no idea what they're on about.
Because everyone has to know and understand everything abouth everything ? You think that insulting people is appropriate to a "serious" discussion ? No .. you're the joke , not 90% of the users .
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lordisgaea3 wrote...
Anesthetize wrote...
>make logical assertion.
>gets neg repped and not even a reply
You kind of deserved it , instead of explaining him what the higgs boson is and explaining why he is wrong you wrote
Anesthetize wrote...
"Is this guy actually serious? DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT THE HIGGS BOSON FUCKING IS? And comparing the 1940's to now.....wtf am i reading."
which is pretty just insulting him and laughing from him .
Anesthetize wrote...
And this is why SD is a complete joke. 90% of users have no idea what they're on about.
Because everyone has to know and understand everything abouth everything ? You think that insulting people is appropriate to a "serious" discussion ? No .. you're the joke , not 90% of the users .
No, if you know nothing about the topic then don't talk about it. It's that simple. You don't try to do or talk about advanced mathematics without studying/reading a maths book first do you? The same analogy applies here. Because this is a public forum, other people might take their wrong opinions as something worthwhile when it's wrong. I mean i don't go around talking about the origins of shoes or biology because i have no idea about it.
So i use insults? People in real life use insults, get over it. This is SD, if you can't take an insult then maybe you should go join a celibacy club. I could do it without insulting, but that's not my persona. If you make a good comment then i won't insult you, if you don't i do.
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Anesthetize wrote...
No, if you know nothing about the topic then don't talk about it. It's that simple
Anesthetize wrote...
So i use insults? People in real life use insults, get over it. This is SD, if you can't take an insult then maybe you should go join a celibacy club.
That's kind of ironic that you just did what you said not to do . You won't get what i mean i'm pretty sure , i could explain to you what i mean but from your point of view it's not worth it , i should just say that you're stupid and you should not come on SD anymore .
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lordisgaea3 wrote...
Anesthetize wrote...
No, if you know nothing about the topic then don't talk about it. It's that simple
Anesthetize wrote...
So i use insults? People in real life use insults, get over it. This is SD, if you can't take an insult then maybe you should go join a celibacy club.
That's kind of ironic that you just did what you said not to do . You won't get what i mean i'm pretty sure , i could explain to you what i mean but from your point of view it's not worth it , i should just say that you're stupid and you should not come on SD anymore .
No it's not because that context is subjective and based on your bias while mine is an opinion based from his inability and lack of knowledge about the higgs boson and history, which is objective? Derp
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Let's try not to derail the thread yeah?
Anyways back on Topic. I think Higgs Boson discovery is rather an interesting find, and like others before me have stated, there is yet to be any practical use of it for now. In the future, the concept of Higgs Boson may have a significant impact to future discoveries so we'll have to wait and see if the discovery is worth while.
Anyways back on Topic. I think Higgs Boson discovery is rather an interesting find, and like others before me have stated, there is yet to be any practical use of it for now. In the future, the concept of Higgs Boson may have a significant impact to future discoveries so we'll have to wait and see if the discovery is worth while.
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Anesthetize wrote...
Umm this is seriously a joke now.You really don't see how understanding of what makes everything around us up is not beneficial to society? Obviously governments and organizations see that CERN and related research is beneficial to humanity otherwise they wouldn't be funding billions into it? And i think they know a little bit more about human sociology than you guys do.
If i'm not mistaken other scientific discoveries and understandings, like the understanding of electromagnetic forces led to the creation of the microchip and most modern-day electronics? Or that Einsteins theory of relativity led to modern day satellites and GPS? Or that DNA led to medical advances in curing a multitude of diseases and physical defects? I'm sorry but how stupid are you to think this won't affect society?
[color=#2e1a6b]I didn't say it won't affect society, I said it won't benefit society. As you said, it costs billions of dollars to do this research, so it does affect society. Any time scientific research is funded by society, society rightfully expects something in return. This doesn't necessarily mean that CERN will benefit society, it just means that society expects it to.
I know that other scientific discoveries have led to new technology and weapons ([size=8]which you left out because of your insults against Lishy[/h]). This however, doesn't mean that all scientific discoveries lead to new technology. To make such a claim would be logically fallacious, due to Hasty generalization.
Like I already said, I haven't seen any explanations of how specifically the discovery of the higgs boson will benefit society. It probably will lead to other discoveries which might benefit society, but the higgs boson itself doesn't seem to benefit society.
Anesthetize wrote...
Lishy1 wrote...
I'm pretty sure developing the newest 'atom-bomb' is not a good thing for the world, but whatever floats your boat.Nuclear energy had non-violent purposes too, but if we look at history, politicians are more interested in weapons. As a believer in nuclear technology, I'm actually tired of bureaucrats misusing the science.
And Higgs Boson sounds more like nuclear energy each day. We merely need to look at the past to look at the future. I don't want to see another Hiroshima.
Is this guy actually serious? DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT THE HIGGS BOSON FUCKING IS? And comparing the 1940's to now.....wtf am i reading.
Please tell me you're trolling.
[color=#2e1a6b]You didn't quote the context of what Lishy said
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This has got to be the most obsurd moment in SD ever:
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As far as I understand, one of the main reasons why it took so long to prove its exist, is because there is not way to interact with it. So I don't think that there will any major implications involving the Higgs boson, because with current technology we probably won't be able manipulate it in any immediate fashion.
This is only my understanding of it so forgive me if I'm wrong.
This is only my understanding of it so forgive me if I'm wrong.
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Tegumi
"im always cute"
Anesthetize wrote...
>make logical assertion.>gets neg repped and not even a reply
And this is why SD is a complete joke. 90% of users have no idea what they're on about.
I'm relatively certain that you received negative reputation because of the way you barged into the thread and called people retarded. You only explained your position after (what appears to be) pressure from other users.
That being said, I discussed this over with some of the other moderators and we came to the agreement you should tone down being super rude to others outside of IB. I'd been avoiding intervention for a while, but let's just say that a lot of users are unhappy with you.
However, I do see where you are coming from:
Lishy1 wrote...
Actually, what I'm saying is that because of the economic crisis, there is no practical use for the 'god particle' outside the military (who could afford it)People will just say "Oh, cool!" and move on their attention to something else.
It's like sending a space probe to explore outside our solar system. Sure, it's a great scientific feat, but it doesn't change things at home, and most cannot afford to appreciate it.
That is all.
Lishy1 wrote...
I'm pretty sure developing the newest 'atom-bomb' is not a good thing for the world, but whatever floats your boat.Nuclear energy had non-violent purposes too, but if we look at history, politicians are more interested in weapons. As a believer in nuclear technology, I'm actually tired of bureaucrats misusing the science.
And Higgs Boson sounds more like nuclear energy each day. We merely need to look at the past to look at the future. I don't want to see another Hiroshima.
Lishy, these two posts make you sound incredibly ignorant and a bit wishy-washy. The Higgs Boson is a means of proving String Theory. Discoveries pertaining to fundamental mechanics of physics are on a completely different scale than sending a probe into deep space. To compare the two would be kind of ridiculous.
Additionally, nuclear energy is sort of a big deal. Nuclear energy was also first harnessed as a destructive weapon, and for many years that was the only practical application of it. You also should really not use 'nuclear weapons' and 'nuclear energy' interchangeably once you have differentiated the two.
Lelouch24 wrote...
I didn't say it won't affect society, I said it won't benefit society.Lelouch24 wrote...
This however, doesn't mean that all scientific discoveries lead to new technology. To make such a claim would be logically fallacious, due to Hasty generalization.Wouldn't it be fallacious to say it won't benefit society as well?
Lelouch24 wrote...
but the higgs boson itself doesn't seem to benefit society.No, but the discovery of the electron didn't directly benefit society either.
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Sure, the " missing God Particle " is a great discovery for every scientist and hobby scientists out there, gives scientists in the future the chance to do some proper experiments on it, figuring out how it can be of some use.
Maybe not now, but I am sure in my lifetime many answers will arise regarding the Higgs Boson.
I am just kinda curious to see what they will do with it, since the step of creation is that much closer. ( Meaning, to give certain particles the mass needed to actually create something )
It is my crazy guess so don't take it serious.
Maybe there will future article regarding the Higgs Boson, we just have to wait ... I am sure we will get better answers soon since they have found what they were looking for.
So let's just wait and see what happens after that.
Maybe not now, but I am sure in my lifetime many answers will arise regarding the Higgs Boson.
I am just kinda curious to see what they will do with it, since the step of creation is that much closer. ( Meaning, to give certain particles the mass needed to actually create something )
It is my crazy guess so don't take it serious.
Maybe there will future article regarding the Higgs Boson, we just have to wait ... I am sure we will get better answers soon since they have found what they were looking for.
So let's just wait and see what happens after that.
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I just spoke with Dr. Lawrence Krauss about this subject and here's his stance: "It is the capstone of the most remarkable thing that humans have ever came up with, particle physics. It unifies everything we know about physics."
"It is profoundly important if you care about your own origins. This is the unifier of background radiation and the explanation of it."
So...Evidently this matters a lot more than people seem to think. *shrug*
"It is profoundly important if you care about your own origins. This is the unifier of background radiation and the explanation of it."
So...Evidently this matters a lot more than people seem to think. *shrug*
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Tegumi wrote...
Lishy, these two posts make you sound incredibly ignorant and a bit wishy-washy.I've been a bit of a pessimist lately! ;)
Tegumi wrote...
The Higgs Boson is a means of proving String Theory.Since we're talking M-Theory, I wonder if this might open up possibilities to 4th dimensional interaction? Is it possible for example, to have an airplane or object travel faster than it should to its destination?
I remember seeing this weird documentary on Discovery Channel about a pilot who flew from one place to after going what could only be described as a "wormhole", and he had the saved fuel and transportation time to prove it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw43QFILJlY
If such things exist on earth, is it possible to utilize the anomaly, and create them? Hrm...
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Lishy1 wrote...
Tegumi wrote...
Lishy, these two posts make you sound incredibly ignorant and a bit wishy-washy.I've been a bit of a pessimist lately! ;)
Tegumi wrote...
The Higgs Boson is a means of proving String Theory.Since we're talking M-Theory, I wonder if this might open up possibilities to 4th dimensional interaction? Is it possible for example, to have an airplane or object travel faster than it should to its destination?
I remember seeing this weird documentary on Discovery Channel about a pilot who flew from one place to after going what could only be described as a "wormhole", and he had the saved fuel and transportation time to prove it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw43QFILJlY
If such things exist on earth, is it possible to utilize the anomaly, and create them? Hrm...
No, string theory and m-theory are two completely different concepts.
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devsonfire
3,000,000th Poster
What is the world going to do with our so called "God's Particle" anyway?
Just a waste.
Just a waste.