Make Marijuana Legal?

I never said I was against it. If I was, I wouldn't even support it being legalized for medicine.

For recreation, yeah, I'm against it since it impairs judgement, and it doesn't take a rocket scientest to know what happens when someone high on marijuana decides to drive, operate machinery, etc.

I tried it ONCE, and yeah, it felt good getting high, but I never touched another joint after that. I also have a friend that's a pothead. Not the casual, "I smoke on the weekends," pothead, but the, "I need to smoke weed now," type. He's been smoking weed for YEARS, long before I even met him, and today, I see firsthand what that has done to him. As of a few days ago, when I hung out with him at another friends house, he suffers from short-term memory loss. He couldn't remember what he did just a few days before.

Basically, he's addicted to marijuana to where smoke would probably come out of his lungs if someone stabbed him there.

Again, I support Marijuana being legal, but only for medical use. Yeah, not as dangerous as cigarettes, but I think it can still be worse at times, based on what little experience I have, and from what I've seen firsthand.

I have a question , do you drink alchool ? Do you drive after drinking ?

I changed your text a bit so you can understand where i'm goign with that .



All your arguments against weed are the same that happen with alchool , so are you against alchool too or are you just an hypocrite ?

Nice try, but comparing Marijuana to alcohol is like comparing an apple to an orange.

So you changed what I said in an attempt to make your argument look better, and even more so, you have the nerve to accuse me of drinking and driving.

I get it already. You want Marijuana to be legal for recreational use, more power to you. I said in another post that you and everyone else that wants Marijuana legal for recreational use will have an uphill battle convincing the powers that be that it should be legal.

As for alcohol, I'll be honest here; I do drink alcohol, but I am responsible enough to know that drinking and driving just don't mix. Even if I wanted to, I ALWAYS get someone to hold onto my keys, just in case things don't go according to plan. Also, I don't drink frequently, maybe once every few weeks or so. Again, I don't get drunk. I've watched my uncles long enough to know what happens.


Lastly, you claim I may be a hypocrite. Please, enlighten us on how my wanting of Marijuana to be legal for MEDICINAL purposes makes me a hypocrite.

Correct, for marijuana is far worse than alcohol could ever be.



So you are fine with drinking alcohol recreationally but not smoking marijuana, even when it has been PROVEN that marijuana is far less dangerous? Please explain.

I'm fine with alcohol, since it affects an organ that, if damaged, won't impair my judgement, whereas marijuana WILL cause damage over time to the lungs and brain, similar to cigarettes, though cigarettes affect the lungs more than the brain.

Also, just because marijuana is less dangerous, that comes with the implication that it is still dangerous. Medicinal, recreational, I'd rather smoke, (or ingest), it if my doctor says that it'll help for a while.

Again, alcohol affects the liver more than the brain, (has to pass through that one first, after all), and is gone from the body in 24 hours, give or take. Marijuana stays in the body for a few days.

Lastly, still haven't answered my question.

Oh boy do you have your facts wrong.

1) Alcohol causes severe judgement impairment, far more so than marijuana. Alcohol also doesn't only affect the liver and kidneys, but your brain as well. While it doesn't actually kill brain cells as some may think, it does damage dendrites. This results in problems conveying messages between the neurons. Why do you think people drink alcohol? It isn't because it affects the liver, but because of what it does to their brain. It makes them feel good but it is still damaging.

If you have been drinking and not had your judgement impaired, then you sure as hell weren't drinking alcohol. You are delusional and should probably seek out medical attention if you seriously think that alcohol doesn't affect your brain or judgement. That or just very poorly informed.

2) Marijuana will NOT cause ANY damage over time. I have done extensive research into this. Did you not even read this previous post of mine? I already covered and disproved you, so why do you keep spouting out the same lies? Allow me to refer you to my post in case you missed it.

My post

And I won't say you are a hypocrite, you just seem to be highly misinformed. However if you continue to think it is ok to drink alcohol recreationally and do not think it is ok to smoke marijuana recreationally after all of these facts, then you are indeed a hypocrite.

Lastly I will say that saying that something is less dangerous does not necessarily give the implication that it is dangerous at all. Milk is less dangerous than alcohol as well, but that doesn't mean I'm implying that milk is dangerous.

Edit: I will say something from personal experience rather than objective research, so take it as you will. I have had years of experience dealing with alcoholics and stoners alike. I will tell you that each and every one of those alcoholics that I knew were much more likely to be violent and hurt someone while under the influence of alcohol. My father being one of them did in fact beat me and my mother many times while under the influence of alcohol. He never did such things while under the influence of anything else or when he was clear minded. Each and every one of the stoners I knew were much more likely to eat all of my food and engage in philosophical discussions while under the influence of marijuana. And yet somehow marijuana users are considered felonious criminals whereas alcohol users are not.

I would argue that there is great similarities between apples and oranges but please , can you explain me what is so different between the use of alcohol and weed ?



Sorry if you missunderstood it's not at all what i meant . It was a retoric question , i know you wouldn't drive while drunk . What i mean is that people aren't driving while drunk so why would they drive while stoned ?

First , people are already getting stoned , there would not be more people smoking because of the legalisation and i almost never hear abouth accidents where the driver was stoned .

Secondly , if it was to ever be legalised , of course the alchool laws would be the same for marijuana , it would be illegal to drive while beign stoned .



As for that Jash did a really good job explaining why .

I'm surprised this hasn't been moved to the "incoherent babbling" side of the forums.

I personally believe that Marijuana isn't any worse for you than smoking cigs.

Personally, i don't use any "drug" besides prescription or basic tylonal and the likes. There is a lot that would change if you legalized pot though.

Point 1: More jobs.

Do you realize how much marijuana is smuggled into the country every year? According to the FDSS, over 1000 Metric Tons of marijuana was Seized in the last year. Thats what was seized, what about what wasn't seized? With 11.5 Million people (approximately, number more than likely higher than 11.5 million) using marijuana, and at least 1/3 of the united states population having used it at one point in their lives, thats a hell of a lot of pot. With this much being seized, imagine how many people it takes to grow and produce all that marijuana. Now turn that into payroll jobs.

Point 2: Crime

There is so much crime that has to deal with marijuana nowdays. Whether it be gang violence about dealing, petty dealers killing each other, or people killing other people to get the money to buy more pot. Not to mention all of the people who would be saying, "I don't want to go outside, i'm too fuckin hungry. i'll just eat these twinkies, the leftover pizza, and the cardboard boxes in the corner and take a nap."

Point 3: The Budget.

Depending on how greedy people are, marijuana would produce a lot of revenue for the main suppliers, and not to mention the taxes. I live in wisconsin, and good smokes are expensive. (marbs are about $6 a pack) What if pot was sold in packs of say, 10 joints, for say, $10. That would probably generate about 1-3 dollars in taxes. With 11 million (aprox.) people smoking marijuana, roughly going through a pack a week, that would be 11-33 million dollars a week, in taxes alone, now, that would be 500 million to 2 billion dollars a year in taxes. Sure, it's not much, but what if over half those people go through a pack a day? What if 1/4 of the people go through 3 packs a week? that is a LOT of money.

In conclusion, marijuana is no worse for you than alcohol, and causes a lot less problems, especially if it was legal.

-Fakkuist

Colorado Springs as of 2012 is the pot capital of america. Eat your hearts out cali flamers. Its believed to pass this year as it only lost by less then 2% last year.

What does this mean? We will be registered as more a less a test state, so cross your fingers every one!

I figured I would share something I recently found.

The Top Five Special Interest Groups Lobbying To Keep Marijuana Illegal

There is also a comment in that article which points out how drug cartels are also a large contributor.

Of course you don't see any groups that lobby against it because of medical or safety reasons. I challenge someone to actually find a group that lobbies against marijuana legalization for reasons other than money. I'm sure they exist, but I doubt that any of them are of any real significance.

I know that the police would hate to have it legalized. They would then have to focus on real drug offenses which are much harder to find and deal with. Any cop would rather bust some kid in his car smoking a joint than having to find some meth lab in a basement. Not to mention that the harder drug users can even be more dangerous for cops. Cops know that it is far less likely to be attacked by a stoner than a methhead.

I don't smoke, so whatever floats your boat.

The fact that it is not legal is merely a form of oppression against 3rd world countries. Plus it also has medicinal benefits so it should be legalised. Just think about it weed either cures or helps prevent cancer and it is illegal. on the other hand, tabacco causes cancer and is legal. How was that bill passed?

Just fucking make it legal already, so that we could move onto real issues like Foreign Policy!

edit: Sorry to those who read the typo.

Here is my opinion. Pot is a natural substance. God put it on this big green earth for what, it to be illegal? Hell no! Its even more natural as cigarettes, which are legal. Cigarettes have not only taboco(another natural substance), but they have nicotine and tar and other nasty shit, that is not natural. Tobaco is one thing, cigarettes are another thing entirely.

Also, pot has been proven to be better for you than beer, not healthier, but just not as bad. It has medical uses. And, it would bring down the jail population a little too.

Marijuana should not be legal or illegal it should have stayed in the gray zone.
While in the gray zone, you could sell/buy marijuana without fear of punishment, and also get it distinctly cheaper than if it becomes legal and the government begins to tax and control the routes on which it is sold.

(Canadian POV) If it is legalized, I believe it should be kept on private property (ie: in the home)like alcohol. I also don't think legalization will be considered much unless they find a way to see if you are DUI. I have read lots academic journals about the positive and negative reasons for legalization for a school presentation. I don't see much harm in it being legalized. BUT, apparently there is more violent activity when marijuana is legal.

I was browsing imgur and found this , i thought it could be usefull to post it here : http://imgur.com/gallery/LEsrW

I think all drugs should be legal, because the decision on whether or not to use drugs should be made by the individual, not the government.

It's not left up to the individual for all drugs for the safety of other people not just the user.

For example, bath salts are something that should be illegal because of the unpredictable behaviour of the user and any other crazy drug that "makes" people do crazy things.

If it's just America, then fine let them be legal. Though OP said it was profitable, there's also the fact that CHINA can sell you some since.. hey, it's China! Cheap, mass produced and if legal, doesn't matter if the triad sold them or not. Thing is, they got a system for it. Question is, can America or other countries that make them legal handle or make a system for it? You can't just expect a golden age when you make it legal. There are already people going crazy on liquor what more if it was something more potent? The damage costs, therapies for the victims... it all sounds so distant with the current society setting we got today