dragonsheart967 wrote...
If it's out right harassment, people need to take action, but if it's merely a whistle or a single comment on a person's looks alone, it is a statement one says that one does not like nor ask for, but it happens...
All in all, there is nothing we can particularly do against these people. It's like that woman that harassed your husband, we can't outright outlaw the things she said, her actions are punishable, but outside of the conduct of her workplace, we can't stop her from saying anything.
I think we're having a communication issue so let me clarify.
It sounds like you are concerned about people who give compliments such as "you're pretty" with no threatening gestures etc being considered threatening. I can assure you that these are not the people I'm talking about. Nor are they the people any of my friends complain of. Ignore this group of people for the sake of this discussion. You do not need to defend them. They have done nothing wrong and I'm certainly not mad at them. They are not the problem.
The group of people I have issues with (and the ones I believe supervanillagirl was referring too), are those that accompany the compliment with behaviors or statements that are just plain unacceptable. After all, offline, words do not exist in a vacuum. They are accompanied by body language.
We've already discussed how a compliment followed by sexual groping is unacceptable. You've agreed that wasn't okay. We can skip that topic.
The next topic is, threatening behaviors. Shouting "you're pretty" out of a car doesn't bother me. Shouting "you're pretty" out of a car, then following a person slowly, staring at they, licking your lips and saying no more words for the entire process is WHOLE levels of no no. There is a very explicit feeling of stalking when someone in a car follows you slowly. I can't think of any good reason to combine all of the above behaviors. (This happened to me in undergrad. I ran the heck away!)
There are single comments like which taken in and of themselves are threatening: "She's so pretty. I would rape her in a heartbeat" is an example. (Before you think this is a straw man argument, this is a direct quote said about me from a boy I knew during high school.) Obviously, saying you would commit an act of physical violence is just unacceptable. I could have reported this to both my school and the police and been well within my rights. Could the police have done anything about it? Probably the first time they could have only warned him, but you can bet that there are legal measures you can take if you have a documented history of sexual harassment like that. Freedom of speech doesn't protect multiple threats on a person's body
Perhaps a better (if longer) way to say it is that a single complimentary statement without threat is protected by freedom of speech.
As for work place harassment, you are also correct. We have laws to protect against that.
EEOC and
The US State Department both cover what is and what is not harassment.
Sexual pranks, or repeated sexual teasing, jokes, or innuendo, in person or via e-mail;
Verbal abuse of a sexual nature;
Touching or grabbing of a sexual nature;
Repeatedly standing too close to or brushing up against a person;
Repeatedly asking a person to socialize during off-duty hours when the person has said no or has indicated he or she is not interested (supervisors in particular should be careful not to pressure their employees to socialize);
Giving gifts or leaving objects that are sexually suggestive;
Repeatedly making sexually suggestive gestures;
Making or posting sexually demeaning or offensive pictures, cartoons or other materials in the workplace;
Off-duty, unwelcome conduct of a sexual nature that affects the work environment.
EEOC clearly explains that these laws apply to coworkers, bosses, customers, vendors and clients. So if someone comes to the store you work at and does any of the above, it is also illegal.
However, there are things you can do outside of the workplace if you are being sexually harassed. For example, public transport harassers can be charged under laws that cover stalking, unlawful surveillance, attempted sexual abuse and harassment. There are also cyberstalking and cyber harassment laws, but I'd imagine they are often very difficult to enforce.
So, you CAN punish harassment,
but you are absolutely right that it is not easy nor always practical. How can you punish someone who the person bringing complaint doesn't know and cannot find ever again? You can't.
What we can do to stop this kind of behavior is to punish it when it occurs with our own freedom of speech. Standing up and saying things like "What you said is sexual harassment and is not okay" may not ward off the harasser, but it does give the victim a chance to stand up for themselves or get away.
Don't do it when they say things like "you're pretty". From my experience, no reasonable person cares about that. Do it when they say things like "you're pretty and I'd rape you in a heart beat."
God, I hope no one else ever says that. That guy was an idiot.