Spanking kids cause long term harm?

I don't see any benefit with spanking your kids and studies show that it has a negative effect.

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That's just going overboard. Her parents were letting out their stress on her. Unfair, but some parents do not know how to differentiate proper parenting behavior and just being plain disgusting, and he still sees himself as being right after being interviewed.

I was punished, but I was NOT tortured, when I was a crazy son of a bitch when I was younger. And I appreciated every cane I got. I grew up fine.

Well, spanking is done to teach the child a point, not to brutalize them. Children do not listen to mere words as their minds are usually elsewhere; A little spanking brings their minds back on track. Grounding a child and such never can achieve better results than a proper spanking.

What I mean to say is that spanking properly introduces children to the error of their ways and lets them know that wrongdoings will not go unpunished. Children who do not receive physical punishment are easily spoiled and thus lowering their chances of surviving in the harsh world called reality.

Of course, physical punishment ALONE will not always be good. In this case a reward and punishment system is ideal. Children will understand that good will be rewarded and wrongs will be penalized. And adding a little lecturing AFTER the spanking will also be useful.

And by physical punishment I mean spanking, ruler on your hands, belting and perhaps a few raps on the back of your calves. I definitely do not mean punching, kicking and smashing objects on children's heads. Domestic violence and physical punishment are two very different things.

You mentioned corporal punishment and here is the definition-"Corporal punishment is a form of physical punishment that involves the deliberate infliction of pain as retribution for an offence, or for the purpose of disciplining or reforming a wrongdoer, or to deter attitudes or behaviour deemed unacceptable"

The "study" is just too broad. I see it as flawed since no two people could possibly be exactly alike in personality/character so, you can't apply this to every single child that's been "beaten".

Also, the definition of "punishment" differs for everyone. What someone thinks is a tap on the wrist may look like a full blown beating to others. It's just hard to judge and fully give one specific answer since everyone has their own opinions on it.

Personally, I don't believe in any type of physical harm to any child. If you pay enough attention to them from the start and teach them right from wrong and keep up the positive reinforcement, I don't see why a child would stray and become mischievous/"bad".

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All children are different and thus be treated different. Some kids NEED their ass whupped, while some kids need to get spanked in the butt with hands, and some need just a few words of love and encouragement to change the error of their ways.

It is not easy being a parent because you don't know what type of character your child will develop and also how to deal with it when the time comes for a "little" punishment. Also at times there are adults out there ( such as the judge who beat her daughter ) who has a clear intention of being the boss and ignores the rules and laws of parenting.

There are hundreds of ways to avoid the event of spanking your kids, and also see if how far you have to go to change their errors.

Though I also want to add, when you beat a child your "demonic" or "power greed" instincts awake and beat the child to a pulp because it sometimes becomes a habit beating your kids up and in some cases enjoy it beating someone smaller.

It is never easy choosing the right method of punishment fit for your child, but there is ALWAYS one method for a child, and that is constantly talking to them and telling them it is wrong, if that option isn't right then your child must be already psychologically damaged from your bullshit.

Children are pretty easy to shape up and make them into a better human being by choosing the best option possible.

Hope this helped out a bit for all Fakku-ers.

say what and Laduree...I am not sure if you have noticed but a few people including me have admitted we received punishment and said it helped better us.

Now say what I am coming at YOU with razorblades and lemon juice...

This may be a stupid example but lets look at slaves for example...mkay.

Now when a slave was punished they either did two options afterwards runaway or just deal with it. Now there is a third option they would usually take which involved them becoming violent however that option was not as easily pondered upon like today.

So what am I getting at here?

Simple if an individual becomes violent and the parent did not bother too explain why they are hitting them then its the parents fault.

On the other hand if the dumb child is so absorbed in their angry and misses that point then it is the childs fault.

I gave an example or a what if earlier about if a said child did not get disciplined but was disciplined by an officer of the law when they became a young adult.

Hell what if you received discipline from people you do not know?

Like I said it depends on many variables in that given situation...

read this http://nospank.net/joshua.htm



Do you have a reason why and what does this have to do with corporal punishment




Facepalm... Do you know what they did to slaves to control them. They killed other slaves in front of them to teach them a lesson, they took away their identity, they ruthlessly beat them constantly, they barely had any clothes, they endured cold nights, and worked long hours.



The child or student are punished because they broke a rule that they were told by a parent or teacher

My dad has never laid a hand on me, and i have never felt the urge to disobey anything he's told me. There was one time he was upset with me because i called one of my aunts to pick me up from school. I ended up getting a ride from a friend and forgot to tell my Aunt. My dad wasn't happy with me, especially because said aunt helps us out a lot. I felt really bad about it, and that was without any physical punishment.

This bothers me a lot. I believe I was that dumb kid absorbed in anger. My father used to beat me when I was younger and would threaten to kill me and yell obscenities. It's obvious here that this is an extreme example but if a child starts to intensely hate their parent or feel very angry from a less apparently abusive situation, is that really their fault even if the parent did it "out of love"? The child may feel hated or not understand why regardless. I don't think many children would react with logic if beaten, they may even block out reason because of their strong emotions.

My main point is that beating a child, like any other human being, runs a great risk of causing emotional distress that the child is not yet able to cope with or get past. Many adults lose sight of reason as well in a threatening situation. Holding that against anyone is something I consider not only insensitive, but also very naive to many peoples natures, perhaps not yours.

I would also like to point out that it is possible to learn from circumstances such as these as a child because humans can be resilient psychologically and end up fine though I don't think this justifies any physical punishment whatsoever.

Ok say what I read your cute research paper link that had to do with CLASSROOM punishment...tell me this what does that have to do with corporal punishment from the parent...see what I did to Irwin's theory. You see my dad was paddled at school as well. He told me it was because it was reported he stole something of value however he did not do it. Now they had my father and two other students who supposed was thought of doing this crime. My father took his licks and he no matter what did not admit to doing it. The other two did. So if this kid could not take a paddlin who's fault is that? On another note who the fuck sends a child to a school to be paddled anymore? Hell I do not know about this foolish boy fuck breaking windows I would have destoryed everything and everyone in that building I was a VERY violent eight year old compared to now I am like a fuckin saint...

The only flaw with paddling some kids is that even if they did not do it they will admit to doing it so the pain can stop.

Example you ask...well when terrorist get waterboard, oh and my favorite when Chicago's finest slams your foot in the threshold of a metal door...

Now see I agree with you on the subject of the slaves however did I not say this may be a STUPID EXAMPLE... -facepalm-

Oh and before I forget your last example I will repeat this again what does this have to do with teachers we are talking about parents stay on subject.

Oh no? Ok lets play. Lets say a teachers spanks a child fine and dandy any problem? It is not their kid. That is the problem with that statement... So I am going to judge from face value that you are ok with cops beating an eight year if they point a toy gun at them right?


Oh Pfil the fairy I like how you think you are the only one here that has been absorbed in angry. I was talking about myself as well BUT this is how we differ your father is child beating lunatic while mine wanted me too be all that I can be.
My father compared to yours is a dying breed. Now that bothers me...

I like this debate. I also love when people nitpick your statement to make theirs seem more valid it is an ancient debating strategy that should have died eons ago.
I hope too hear more from you two.

God speed...

P.S. I know cussing usually represents rage however I like cussing when I talk hell I work like a sailor I defiantly deserve to cuss like one...

Aw you think it's cute. Facepalm...this bothers me. Like I have said before "just because you have not experienced any side effect from corporal punishment does not mean that there are none" also page 13 http://www.phoenixchildrens.com/PDFs/principles_and_practices-of_effective_discipline.pdf "The conclusion to be drawn from these studies is that, contrary to parents' goals when using it, the more parents use physical punishment, the more disobedient and aggressive their children will be. Please read this http://www.unh.edu/ccrc/pdf/CV10.pdf





I apologize, I got caught up on the idea of corporal punishment in both homes and schools.



I am just responding to certain sections of your post. I am sorry if it comes off as if I am trying to make my statement more valid which I have done with evidence.

I wasn't aware that I was nitpicking so I'm sorry for that but I believe you just did the same to me. You didn't even bother to read what I wrote. I quoted why I put my own experiences as an example. So I ask again, is it really okay out of love? And read carefully this time.

Well I was spanked as a child and yes I suppose I do smoke, and drink, and party . . . but that's because of other factors in my life. I don't really believe me being spanked as a young child had anything to do with it. Besides, spanking is much more "humane" than beating your kid, isn't it?

When I was spanked (or any other form of physical punishment), I was always told why I was spanked, and made to apologize or make amends with whoever I had offended. Only then was I spanked. And my parents only spanked me when I did something REALLY stupid like stealing money from my mother's account, half-killing my best friend or when I broke my violin on my knee simply because I thought it was fun to do so.

I've become a much better person for that, and I thank my parents for caring about me. I don't know what I may have become if they tried to use words on me (as I hate lecturing I never listen). Neither do I know whether spanking will work for everyone, but I do know it worked for me and that's it.

Spanking is ridiculous, but every once in a while a child needs a slap in the face to set things straight.

It's very nice that you've shared your own experiences. I talked with my mother today about her physical punishments she gave me and she gave me a little spank every now and then when I was very, very young. I think that was drowned out by my father's obviously abusive behavior.

I thought very hard about the act of spanking and I almost want to say that it's okay if the pain is extremely minimal and if the child is young enough not to remember. I am not sure though. See, I am boggled about what to do if a child is incapable of listening to reason simply because of his/her stage in brain development but also in your case, pspkiller, when a child seems to want to push boundaries or cannot listen to reason at an older age than 2 for whatever reason. I fully believe in omission training and time out, my kids are going to have things taken away harshly because that's how reality is, you do something bad, you get things taken away. But for the stage where that simply doesn't register, I'm not sure what is appropriate.

I definitely agree that spanking isn't necessary for all kids but I am curious to see what an alternate to that could be that a 2 year old or someone who otherwise is incapable of reasoning (and I use that in extreme situations, I think children are a lot more reasonable than we give them credit for) could benefit from.