Nekohime wrote...
Tachyon wrote...
I think the example given in the article is a little bit too extreme. And as many of you already pointed out, these "assertions" about "the Chinese strictness" are rather fabricated to provoke attention. However, I am convinced that parents should push their children to professional success. You can accuse the "Chinese Mother" in this Article for many things, but SHE CARES and is DEDICATED. Many western mothers totally lack these traits. "Stressing academic success is not good for children" is only another excuse for bad parenting. Most Western mothers would rather go partying than intensively occupy themselves with their children.
Many of you Asians may still complain that your parents should be more liberal, but didn't the thread-starter himself say that he is on the way to success? And Nekohime, don't you have an academic degree? Eventually you will be thankful to your parents, for success and discipline are the highest traits a human can desire for himself.
If all the world had "Asian parents" it would be a better place.
The example in the article was extreme, but that fits what some parents are to a tee. Like I said, my mother was exactly like that, except instead of violin (which I chose for myself, and gladly practised 2-4hrs a day) it was academics and swimming.
I'm pretty sure you didn't have a "Chinese" upbringing, so you have no idea what harm it wreaks on your psyche. I'm lucky in that I have a naturally narcissistic personality; if I were a meeker person, I'd probably be even more of a wreck. Young Asian-American women have the highest rates of suicide and have more suicidal thoughts compared to other groups
(source). There's real harm in the way that perfection in every aspect of your life is emphasized and expected. It's one thing to
encourage excellence, but another thing to make your affection and love contingent on achievements.
You're both wrong about that. It isn't the extreme, contrary, it's the normal over here. No kidding, friend of mine whom I'm counselling (non-certified) goes through the exact same things. To them, we are supposed to be mindless drones who obey to their every whim and will. To me, I feel that they are failure as parents, told him the same thing, and he told me no, they aren't, just that because his sisters obeyed them without any word, he was expected to do the same.
Perhaps it is different with you guys who live in the west or migrated there, but this is something that is our everyday life over here. For some of us, the 'restriction' is lifted early, perhaps, they decided to do so from the beginning and give you full reign over the control of your own freedom.
Then there are others like mine, who have given up on me after a while. When we start to rebel, they cry and give us the guilt trip, and many start to cave in at that stage. They'll cry and break down and wonder where in the hell they went wrong as parents. They'll ask their friends, relatives and everyone why are they such failures as parents and why we are such failures and disappointments. There is no such thing as 'good grades' or 'bad grade' not even an 'A' appeases them. As long as you didn't do as well as those before you, like say, a cousin who's a year older and had a higher score when she was taking the same exam you were taking. It calls for everyone to come together to have a 'family discussion' about whether we should get you a tutor, and they start to question who is it you hang out with and butt completely into your private life. And how attempting to get our voices heard will just result with caning with MORE than just a simple cane, (live it to your imaginations, think of whatever it is you can get your hands on at home). Over there, it's probably considered domestic violence, even child abuse, but here, we're forced to grin and bear it 'cuz it's a nationally known word called 'DISCIPLINE'.
And when you DO do better than your relatives, but not as well as they THINK you COULD have done, they tell you "Why didn't you put more effort?" or "You could have at least score better if you had bothered to study". It's a constant battle of being compared and getting compared to. It's annoying and frustrating, and a few of my cousins are pretty fucked up in their lives now. Smoking, clubbing, partying. I'm a drinker myself, but only on the good stuff.
Worst? My other cousins who are much older and way past the age to be in this 'comparison cycle' are doing the EXACT same thing to their kids. During my grandpa's funeral, I even heard one of them say "She keeps getting A2, is something wrong, why can't she get an A1?" and when I tell them something that isn't what they want to hear, they ignore me, of course DUH! But you can feel it in their gaze "You're just a kid what the fuck do you know!?". I know a lot better than them that's for sure. Lemme put it this way, their kids are just in PRIMARY SCHOOL! that's in fucking GRADE SCHOOL, below 12! And from what I've heard from talking to the kids, their ENTIRE WEEK is packed full of tuition tuition and MORE tuition, aside from the school clubs and remedial.
The thing about this is, YES, some of them do have a WAAAAAAY successful future than I could ever have at the end of the road. But at the cost of their self esteem, confidence and social network. My nieces are recluses, they don't speak to anyone, I mean, they even shy away from my younger cousins. But the thing about being successful here? Well, you'll just end up with an office job you hate, the U grads here are even driving TAXIS for the lack of a substantial resume for all that studying for whatever it's worth. But they'll have a future of sorts carved out at the end, albeit a pretty boring one, but one nonetheless.
And me? Well, I'm just about as fucked up as fucked up can be, but I'm not going into details. I'll just put it that I had a pretty fucked up life up all the way until my folks gave up on me. While I right now I have no idea what my future might be 'cuz I'm just floating in the middle of nowhere really, they've learnt to back off. And so have my other relatives. My cousins who had also practically fucked up their lives, are also slowly getting back on the right track, and yeah we all know EVERYONE talks behind our backs about how much of a failure we or our folks are, 'cuz for all that's worth, the stress and the studying leaded us to give up on everything and drop out. See, it takes a MAJOR issue to smack them in the back of their head before they realize, "whoops, maybe we asked for too much, and should have just been satisfied as long as they did their best", not all of us were born geniuses and some of us can't even get 'B's for certain subjects, Sure I got straight 'A's all through primary school, but once we hit secondary school, things just go downhill. And that's where the pressure becomes unbearable. I can do my best and still get nothing but an 'F' for Math, I just have no affinity with the subject. And try as I might, That's the best I can do. But I can get straight 'A's for Science and English. Each to their own, but trying too hard to force their sometimes unreasonable expectations on us is a DEFINITE NO. Trust me when I say the student depression, cutting, and suicidal rate here is pretty high, I remember when there used to be an article about some student from XXX school committing suicide by jumping off the SCHOOL ROOF, almost every week or so.
Wanna know what's REALLY sad? When your parents realized their folly and lightened up in thinking that as long as you do your best it's enough for them, you're still dubbed as failures in your relatives eyes, and yes you know that they talk behind your backs thinking you aren't around to listen. But what's worse is that they also gossip about how much of a failure as parents your folks are for letting not pressuring you to do better, and being satisfied that you've so called "done your best". It happened to me, we were having dinner, and my aunt was going on about how my cousin is such a failure because her mother lets her do whatever she wants and my uncle isn't around to pull the reins; and I KNOW they do that behind my back as well.
You can argue all you want or laugh it off about how I'm probably just kidding and over exaggerating the facts. But I'd say that you should probably ask those who actually LIVE in Asia, especially Singapore, about how it is during their primary and secondary school years. They start to let up once you're past that age, but for some, it doesn't mean you don't have a curfew, or that you can party around, or stay out with your friends, EVEN if it's a study camp in school UNLESS you have a consent form from your teacher or something. Heck, my folks thought that computer games were from the DEVIL when I was still in primary school, and I'm not the only one.
So yeah, you're DEAD mistaken if you think that's just an exaggeration or one of the extreme cases. And believe me when I say that post isn't even the WORST of it yet, there are FAR worse types of these Asian Parents, and I've seen them for myself.
and for a last note
If all the world had "Asian parents" it would be a better place.
I believe the world would be a better place if all the world had a parent type that is a mixture of both, strict in parenting, and academics yet allowing some freedom for their kids to breathe, not expecting over achievements, but is satisfied as long as their child did their best. "Even if your BEST ends up with you being the last, you've still done your best and your best is enough". That's what I feel is a truly good parent... sad you only find those in fiction though... or those FEW rare cases