[Locked] vegetarians are the real murderers?

Sorry to hear about that. Hopefully you'll get your neck straightened out. We are usually in agreement (about most things)so its no big surprise. Plus your one of the good vegetarians (or was it vegan? I forget which). You don't come across with the condescending attitude that most tend to have. Then again that goes for both sides.

P.S. You really gotta work on that whole not sleeping things. Think of your health man.

Why not if it helps you to support your position? :)

You can eat what you want. I eat meat as well, as I mentioned before and I understand pretty well why poeple eat meat for it's delicious and nourishing.

But I refuse to call vegetarians murderer, or something like that, as long as you cannot prove that plants are comparable with animals. It may be true that they are able to "feel" in some way but it's a different feeling with those of animals. It's not pain or fear or something like that, u know? At least that's my opinion.

outa that was a question not a statement. Did you ignore the question mark or what?

If it makes you happy I'll change the sentence in

In my opinion you cannot call vegetarians murderer, or something like that, as long as you cannot prove that plants are comparable with animals. It may be true that they are able to "feel" in some way but it's a different feeling with those of animals. It's not pain or fear or something like that, u know? At least that's my opinion.

*pops in* Did someone say my name?

(I'd add more to this since it's in serious discussion but everything worth being said has been and this whole thing is kinda a waste of time. Vegatarians know they are killing plants to eat them. Kinda hard to miss that fact. Clearly their issue is not with killing things to live otherwise they'd all just starve themselves to death.)

Its in very poor taste. It also shows a lack of body to your argument if you have to rely on shock imagery to sway people. PETA supporters scattered fliers all over my High School Campus that compared the meat industry to Nazi concentration camps in order to turn kids away from eating meat. Obviously, showing pictures of animals being killed will sway impressionable kids.



Yeah, I did. Big whoop, wanna fight about it?

Why is this in poor taste? It's the truth. And when people say eating plants is comparable with killing animals then it's something like this that shows the difference.

Of course I could have argue without showing this. I might have describe it with only words, but I found it more expressive. And it does show the difference in killing animals and plants pretty well, since words cannot show the fear and pain animals have before they get killed, but this video can.

I guess this is the parting of the ways.

right now animals live and die just like plants except plants give us oxygen and the animals we eat food so i think in some convoluted way vegetarians are killing us all.

A little kip helped out quite a bit in the neck and head department, I think I'll take some painkillers now just to be sure. Anyway, I'm a vegetarian, and my mother is a vegan. She's not one of those pushy nature ones either. She just holds her beliefs, without pushing them on others. That's the way everyone should be about everything. If you're asked about your religious beliefs, or your food preferences, I think that should be the only time they are mentioned.

hibia respect my friend that is one of the best answers to a question about beliefs i have ever heard id rep you but im all out sorry man.

You, me, plants, and animals are all made up of the same material and we're all equally worthless. We are animals and animals eat to survive. My species didn't climb to the top of the food chain to feel sorry for the things it eats to survive.

All this talk about "Oh but, you don't understand the pain and fear they go through." That has got to be the lamest argument the anti-meat industry group has. If an animal ever attacks me or any other human it won't care about the pain and fear we go through before we die.

So what makes the situation any different? Why should a predatory animal care about what it eats?

I'm talking about humans and not about "predatory animals" :roll:

They don't feel pity for it's their nature, their instinct to kill to survive. Having choices, feeling pity for other beings and making decisions based on more than instinct is the only thing that seperates us from "predatory animals".

And now you wanna tell me that we don't have to think about their pain and stuff because wild animals don't do that as well?

humans are sentient therefore we know about pain and suffering and we should feel sorry for the pain and suffering of other living things. but i hate it wen tree hugger's and vegies try to force their beliefs on the rest of us. everyone has the right to choose wot they eat worship or do with their lives so all the other people caught up in the fads can fuck off and let us decide wot we want for ourselves.

We are animals. We are the only animals in the entire world that has "morals", "Ethics" and "pity". The reason for that is because some people think there is a higher meaning for our intelligence thus because of our superiority we shouldn't eat certain things because it may hurt something? So as the dominate species on the entire planet we somehow should only feed on the bottom links of the food chain. Why? Because it'll hurt and scare the animals we could possibly eat? Its the way the world has been since microscopic creatures started absorbing other microscopic creatures.

Also humans are a predatory animal because we started as vegetarians (our monkey relatives) then grew into scavengers (When our ancestors were cracking open bones to get to the marrow). After a couple more steps, here we are, at the top of the food chain. So lemme ask you this? Since my species is at the top of the food chain. Why should I forgo millions of years and my own genetics (look at your teeth, and the history of your brain) to place myself at the bottom of the food chain over some pathetic notions like "fear and pain"?

I really didn't want to step back in but seeing as English is a second language for Outa, I thought I'd help. Also, mind you when I say all these things, I'm not forcing my antics on ANYONE, it's purely for the sake of argument, since I don't really give a fuck about what anyone eats, and some vegetarians, like me, have really just grown up to be vegetarian because of parental guidence and now I don't eat it because of health hazards.

I believe humans are at the top of the food chain, but do we really need to eat meat? Look at elefants. They could probably eat anything they'd like, but they are herbavoirs (Fuck spelling). So, your argument of being the superior race is invalid to justify that you can eat meat. I mean sure, we could die of starvation because the lack of food, but that is a separate argument. I think it's alright to eat meat. It's really funny how the very same meat eaters, I'm not saying it is you, think vegetarians are misguided about their morals about not eating animals, but when it comes to the same species as their pets, they suddenly see it as unedible for the moral reasons.

all i can say is that it suks to be them...but im still gonna be eatin meat...

Animal muscle is delicious.

the only decent argument for vegetarianism is that eating meat is quite a "waste" of nutritional energy if you consider all the plants the animal had to eat so you could eat it.

by eating an animal you have thusly not only "murdered" the animal, but also all the plants the animal "murdered"

either way, i like meat...or maybe thats even the reason i like meat, who knows

viable argument for vegies.
eat you 5 a day.
thats all

first of all, i don't kill the cow i'm only eating it. I know maybe she has suffer... but really i don't really want to think about it.

Second, if we don't eat meat we won't receive the necessary nutriments exept if i eat a lot of sometings else.

Third, I like eating a big steak bake on the grill with a beer, and i don't know why some people don't.