What does being a feminist mean to you?

I've made a couple posts to how feminism has ruined our society and thinking about this I've found a solid proof of evidence.

It's called proxy violence. This is violence caused on behalf of a third party indirectly or directly without the third party taking part in the full course of the violence.

The simpliest example. I man and a woman in an argument. The woman punches the man as hard as she can in his face. He, in anger, punches her in return. Who do you jump to help? Obviously the woman because she is the "helpless victim" yet she started the violence. The man in this example has complete justifiable action to defend himself however he sees fit.

You want to know what true sexism is, feminism is true sexism. Just like in the example above, if you rush in to help the woman, you are a sexist brain washed subhuman living with a mentality that you are nothing but a disposable piece of trash ment to protect and give your life for a woman.

And as for the feminists out there, members of your ideology are gathering donations for feticide, and selective breeding. They are getting donation to reduce the male population to under 10% of the population and prevent women from giving birth to males. This is your fight to stop. You want to shift blame away from yourself, what happens when these war mongering nazi women get their way because men are turning a blind eye, what happens when they start to systematically remove men, are you still going to point the finger at men for being violent mosters when they can no longer defend themselves.

Women have been "oppressed" but this is now turning into an entirely different situation. These extremists wish to start a war, and men will gladly throw down their lives instead of protecting their own rights. This is what the world is turning into.

Women in most Western nations only got the right to vote around 1920.

Switzerland didn't give them the right until 1971.


There was no civil rights movement in the 19th century.

Just going to leave this here.

I am an equalist. I believe a women CAN do anything that a man can do and vice versa. It's also their own choice if they would like a man to be chivalrous or receive equal treatment.

Feminism, nowadays has been twisted and distorted to a point where not only do they want to be equal, but they want to be pampered and catered to as well. Can't have both.

No it is not their choice for that. It is my choice how I want to act and if I choose to live a chivalrous lifestyle that is my decision and no woman has a right to tell me to be any other way.

I watched that video that was linked about "It is my body" and the first thing that comes to my mind is abortion and pregancy. Where is the mans right in all this? I constantly hear women preaching about their body and their decision but is it not true that in some cases women agree to have sex? That these women elect to not use birth control? That the men in these situations may want to keep the child as they are good supportive men?

Women throw sex around so much now since the sexual revolution that they have almost come to believe that there are no consequences to their actions. The act of sex isn't just about pleasure, it's about reproduction and people seem to forget that in the persuit of "my right to have an orgasm".

I would like to remind you, and others in this thread, on the actual meaning of the term "chivalry". This is quoted from Wikipedia, but I assure you, one can find similar citations in many other more reputable sources. They will confirm this:

"The Knight's Code of Chivalry was a moral system that stated all knights should protect others who can not protect themselves, such as widows, children, and elders."

Chivalry is about pitying those who men saw as too weak to take care of themselves. By saying "I am totally chivalrous to women, yeah!" you say "I think this woman cannot fend for herself without my wonderful help".

It's extremely belittling. I wish people would understand that the term and practice actually have shitty roots.
Being nice to people is all good and fine, but don't call it chivalry unless you mean that.


As to women "electing not to use birth control"...you realize that for so many women, it's [the pill, at least, but barrier methods too] still something they cannot afford or are not insured to purchase, correct?
Hell, for many, their families/workplaces/social contexts may deem it immoral and if found out, they lose social standing, or worse, livelihood.

And even in cases when it is used (even multiple forms, both medical and physical barriers) ONE CAN STILL GET PREGNANT. Unlike the hordes of wacky pundits claim, there is no certain "way to shut the whole thing down" naturally.

Back to the topic of male choice in pregnancy. Why do people never mention it is also a man's election not to use birth control as well? If he is to become so concerned about whether a woman will or will not carry a pregnancy to term, why does this only come into play after a male has often even parted ways with a sexual partner he previously had little interest in keeping up contact with?
And in the case of committed relationships, yes, a male partner's decision should factor into the decision to keep or abort a pregnancy. But in the end, he is not the person who will spend almost a year growing said child inside his body, at toll to health, employment, social life, and mental state. If he really has trust and care for a partner, he will understand that they may conceive again when it is consented to by BOTH parties. And no, this is not a matter of "convenience" for "slutty women" who just want their "right to have an orgasm", but a matter of "it's not their body in the end that has to take the brunt of this decision".

It's funny how no man jumps up to say "he should have had a vasectomy/worn a condom" before they say "it's the man's choice to keep the baby".

I keep hearing opponents of abortion throw this around, and i have to wonder how many times a woman has had a abortion when the man volunteered to support the child?

Maybe its just me, but i have a hard time believing a woman will have a abortion if the man offers to support the child. Does anyone have evidence to show this is often not the case?

To my knowledge and google-fu skills, there isn't a study on it. This might be because it's such an infinitesimal occurrence.

Personally, I believe it has a frequency of occurrence somewhere between never, and rarely. From my interactions with women who've had abortions or are fervent abortion rights supporters, the opinion of the male in regards to the potential child is irrelevant or even met with outright hostility because "it's her body". Even if she wanted support, she can simply use the legal system to extort it out of the male anyways. Which is why I pointed out earlier that men have no rights in regards to child custody or abortion practices. If you wanted that child and she doesn't, you better just suck it up.

I'm going to respond to the first part about the knights code and chivalry by first stating that your google skills and the fact that you rely on wikipedia proves your own statment wrong. The knights code was never belittling. And the fact that you know nothing about the knights code proves this. Allow me to quote the tenents of the knights code as illistrated in The Song of Roland.

Knights Codes of Chivalry are as follows:

To fear God and maintain His Church
To serve the liege lord in valour and faith
To protect the weak and defenceless
To give succour to widows and orphans
To refrain from the wanton giving of offence
To live by honour and for glory
To despise pecuniary reward
To fight for the welfare of all
To obey those placed in authority
To guard the honour of fellow knights
To eschew unfairness, meanness and deceit
To keep faith
At all times to speak the truth
To persevere to the end in any enterprise begun
To respect the honour of women
Never to refuse a challenge from an equal
Never to turn the back upon a foe



Now if I'm not mistaken, one of the core tenents about 3 up from the bottom is RESPECT THE HONOUR OF WOMEN. That seems pretty important to a knight. If you want to get on the topic of defending the defenseless, if someone comes at you with a gun or a knife to kill a woman, who would you rather have with you, the man who is chivalrous who willingly throws his life on the line to protect you or some guy who believes that you can defend yourself and walks away? The weak and defenceless apply to more than just women, it applied to all peasents, men, women, children, orphans, elderly, farm animals, horses.

Other than the fact that I'm not religious, ask anyone here and those are some pretty good morals to live by, and any woman would be damn happy to have a man that not only puts his life on the line for her but also respects her.


As for the second part on birth control, don't give me your lame excuses. You want repect for women, don't act stupid. Birth control is readily available in all parts of first world nations, and if you are claiming you can't afford a box of condoms, or it's against your religion to use it. Then it's obviously against your religion to have sex in the first place outside of marriage.

Can't afford it or worried about getting pregant? Keep your damn legs closed. This is one of the things that highly bothers me, women blaming men for everything in sex, it takes 2 to tango and remember, "It's your body". I'm pro abortion, I think women AND men should have a choice and currently you do. Don't want to get pregnant, don't have sex. People thing they are entitled today, rediculous.

I'm discussing pill/IUD form birth control, something you clearly did not pick up on despite my mention. Condoms are great but if someone refuses to put one on and forces themselves on a woman, they're out of luck.

So... men don't need to keep their legs closed? And let me guess, you think rape survivors should have dressed modestly, to boot.

Also, if you wanted to be chivalrous, yes, respect women's honor. Honor also includes autonomy, rights, and ability to take damn care of themselves.

Holy shit the lack of knowledge in this two post is astounding. First I'd like to point out that you're using buzz words like "nazi women", which is ridiculous. Comparing a woman who wishes to exercise her rights to a Nazi is so chauvinistic it's absurd. Secondly, you appear to believe that women are "gathering donations for feticide and selective breeding." I think you made a mistake, you meant the Neo Nazis, not women. Even if this WERE true, you can find fringe groups everywhere. There are men in this world who believe that every jew, black, etc should be killed. There are men in this world who rape and murder for fun. Should I judge all men based off the crazies? Clearly not. You're spouting conspiracy nonsense with no factual proof to back it up because you feel threatened by the concept of equality.





You....you're not as bad but you might want to do a little research before you throw out a blanket statement like this. Equality does NOT exist as of now. Women are still paid, on average, $10,000 less than their male counterparts in almost every field of employment. Additionally, women are less likely to be hired than a man for a potential career and advance less quickly. Unless this is due to ALL women being worse than men (spoiler alert: it's not) then there's a problem. I can list issues like this for many other subjects other than employment.

You obviously did not watch the videos I've posted before or you'd be more informed in knowing that you are ABOLUTELY WRONG. Women are not paid less than men in the work force, infact women make more money and work less hours than their male counterparts and are often given easier tasks in the work work. Women are not denied certain employement advantages based on the fact that they are a women but based on social trends that WOMEN STARTED. Such as the fact that women in their 20's tend to focus more on school and career and not on family and child birth, thus pushing the limits of child bearing until their 30's. So it is highly apparent that if women in their 30's are more likely to have children, why hire them if they will only work for a year or two, then need 6-8 months off of PAID maternity leave.

The point is, go back and re-read all my posts and watch the videos before you speak because you are completely wrong.



Lets make something very clear here, you are claiming victimization of female and that won't happen here. If you want to act stupid, by all means continue but lets make sure that our facts are straight first. Condoms is a general term and can be used to refer to the female condom as well. There is also the pill which can be purchesed. There are many options for contriception so if one or both of the parties can't afford either then they take the risk.

And I need to put this in all caps just so you understand. FORCING YOURSELF ON SOMEONE IS CALLED RAPE. If someone refuses to put on a condom despite being told to, and they force themselves on a woman, that is obviously against her will. THAT IS RAPE. And that person should go to jail.

And yes men should have some restraint too but as I said it takes 2 to tango.

And one last thing, stop throwing accusations and assumptions out there because now you are looking like an idiot. Grow up.

If you want to be some independent never need a man person, fine be that way. But if you want to get all snarky because I like to help people and go out of my way to help people at any chance I get, you deserve to be treated like trash. This isn't about being above people, it's not about being independent, or weakness or strength. It's about kindness but people like you are too dense to realise that.

I HAVE in fact, watched all your videos and read your posts. As a successful post graduate student who knows how to analyze sources, I find all the videos lacking. Anyone can make a youtube video. ANYONE. Before you spout lies about employment statistics and pay please provide a proper source. By proper source I mean a scholarly source or social research document from a database that is trustworthy and has previous credible, proven papers. Uncle Zeeke in his basement with his camcorder filming the women who walk buy his house is not a source. Here, however, is pure evidence that you are wrong. The United States Department of Labor seems pretty credible to me~
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/wkyeng.pdf

I can google-fu as well.
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/labor10b-eng.htm
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/labor01a-eng.htm
http://www4.hrsdc.gc.ca/.3ndic.1t.4r@-eng.jsp?iid=19


The canadian government and services department seem pretty credible to me. Sure women make less money in comparison to the average man, but the third link drives the point home that women work on average 6-8 hours less per week. That is nearly a whole day of pay for most people, and then you wonder why they make less money. Seems pretty obvious to me. I also linked in the division of work by sex, just because it goes to show which sectors of society are dominated by men or women. Interesting how men are just above women in 10 of the 18 sectors shown and barely above in 4 of those sectors by about 0.5%.

Please continue to tell me how horrible it is to be paid less when you work less.


EDIT:

I'm going to just add this in based off your links and my links. Your link says that the average income per week for a man is $875 and the average for a woman is $692 per week.

Now using the averaging of difference in amount of hours worked in my link saying that the average woman works 6-8 hours less, that is about equal to 1 work day.

For men, $875 divided by 5 for days of the week is $175 dollars a day.
For women, 692 divided by 4 days a week is $173 dollars per day.

So, on average a man can afford a foot long sandwich as subway per week with all that increase in money he makes.

But you want to know what the real amount of money increase he makes per year based off of YOUR numbers. It's $520 dollars a year. That seems a far cry from your $10,000 number you claim. I like math.

You're also wrong about the hours. Oh, and I've yet to see you prove your infanticide and male assasination theories which you've failed to provide information for.


http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/19/in-most-rich-countries-women-work-more-than-men/

The new york times? really? Cause that seems credible /sarcasm.

http://zeldalily.com/index.php/2010/09/infanticide-as-a-legal-defence/
http://fathersforlife.org/feminism/miller_gearhart.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvEJfN-jiS4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDJUwzfA4r4


So idiots like this are allowed to collect donations for a cause against all men since all men are apparently rapists, killers, monsters. These people are products of feminist theory. They grew up in a society of victimization, thinking that all men are evil.


Edit: You know it seems perfectly fine for people like this to exist because of free speach and all but god forbid you your our "ALLAH AKBAR", and get beaten by a bunch of americans. It's perfectly fine for women to have men, but not for men to hate women. Use your youtube searching skills and look up how many videos are about hating men compared to how many are about hating women. The stats are highly skewed.

Depends on your definition of equality. One person's "equality" is equal rights and privileges while another believes that equality of outcome (equality of pay regardless of efforts). Another person believes equality is the removal of any privileges granted by society to one demographic or another.

First of all, the New York Times is a highly trustworthy journalistic source with a history of integrity and accuracy. Additionally, I looked at your "sources". The fact that infant mortality occurs due to an individual doesn't prove your crackpot nonsense about vast conspiracies of feminists planning to reduce the male population. Your 2nd source posesses no crediblity whatsoever. You also complain about women making videos about how they hate men. Now, I wonder....who's been subjected to a history of rape, domestic abuse and second citizen rights? SPOILER ALERT: IT'S NOT MEN

Annoyance to be honest.

If you call me a male pig, i dont give a crap and call you a bitch.

Everyone is equal to me. No matter the race, sex or occupation.

I treat you all with neutrality, until you piss me off.

I need to search my notebooks since i remembered something.

Gender wage gap is a myth.

But you're right equality doesn't exist

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wow, I just read something disturbing. Comparing sexual assault victims to people who don't practice safe sex and deny responsibility.