What does being a feminist mean to you?

I'm not letting them off the hook. But all members of a society must be held accountable for their actions and if the individuals refuse to accept responsibility then the society itself must be held accountable. That is how a strong society emergest. If I take the example of a family, if your cousin has a criminal record and kills someone. If this individual has a repuration then your whole family by association is now painted with this. You can not escape responsibility for the members of your society.

But alas, welcome to our current planet, nobody wants to take responsibility for the actions of our members. I thought that was the whole point of the UN being founded, and the Nuremburg trials, and those laws passed saying that members of a society are responsible for the actions of it's society.

Maybe I'm wrong, or perhaps I'm too much of an dreamer where a society emerges that doesn't have radicals because the people of that society takes care of it's own instead of disassociating.

I disagree, unless there's proof that the family took part in the murder, how are they in anyway painted by it, or responsible for it? Parenting can only do so much. By the time we're 18-21, it's out of their hands and into ours. We've got to take responsibility for our own actions because our parents aren't going to be there to hold our hands anymore.

I think you miss my point, it is not strictly about the crime, it is about the opinions of others. If the community knows that you have a bad apple in the family, that can effect how others in the community view you. Like my brother for instance, he's a convicted felon. A known theif, and been accused of assault and battory. He "fled the province". But in that community, my family is now tainted. I no longer have the respect in that community that I had because of this individual. And there isn't a single thing I can do to fix what has already happened.

And you are right, your parents aren't going to be there, but your neighbours will always be there. Police officers will always be there. Your girlfriend, boyfriend, wife, husband, kids, whatever are going to be there. Your government is there.

The issue is that there are things that people are not being held accountable for. Look at the westborrow baptist church. They destroy communities, destroy families, and do nothing but cause problems but NOBODY takes responsibility for them and choose to ignore them and let them do it. Just like Islam, terrorists everywhere being exploited by their religion and no one holds them accountable.

The easiest thing to point to as an example of this is germany. Think of germany and what is one of the first thing that pops into your mind, nazi's. Those evil people that killed millions, but that isn't germany now, we just happen to associate it that way. Look at how germans are portrayed in the media in movies. Almost always they play the hard ass nazi type. Or how about those russians, always being drug dealers, arms smugglers, mafia, and human trafficing. That is our media and nobody holds them accountable for those completely wrong views.

Are you a supporter of the war that was in afghanistan? Because this was a war where individuals needed to held accountable and the population suffered because of it. So why are these people being held accountable but the feminists aren't being held accountable for it's radicals, or the christians? It's a land of hypocracy.

According to the geneva convention established after world war 2. Those who sit by and do nothing are just as accountable as those who commit the acts. If you watch a murder happen and you do nothing to try and stop it, you are just as guilty as that murder. But our society doesn't enforce those laws anymore since we already killed off most of the nazis.

But unless if you helped your brother assault someone, i don't think you or your family should be tainted by it.

It's really about the point of view. When an event happens it can and will effect everyone connected to you, directly or indirectly. That is just a consequence of being human. People who know you will pity you in those situations, people who don't know you will react differently at times. There are people who will associate the bad things that have happened with the family. If my brother is a bad apple, then I must be a bad apple. It is unfair, but that is the society we live in.

I disagree. If you're going to use the example of your brother assaulting someone, then I will use the example of my brother dropping out of college. My other brother lives on his own out west and I am beginning my career as a teacher. Do people view us negatively because of what my brother did? Pretty sure they don't. Because we are not my brother. If that doesn't convince you, my mom's younger brother used to be a druggie (not as a teen) for a long time and was even arrested. Was she judged for it? Don't think so because my mom was her own person at that point.

I think the only way events like that can negatively paint a brother or sister is if they have not moved out yet or have not established themselves in the world.

Fuck you fpod, you stupid marxist cunt, stop reporting my posts when I'm agreeing with you. Christ.

And as for feminism, it's not "women are too frail to live in a man's world", it's "everyone is a fucking equal and we just want rights and shit that all the men have". Bunch of censoring goyim up in this bitch.

And as for feminism, it's not "women are too frail to live in a man's world", it's "everyone is a fucking equal and we just want rights and shit that all the men have".

Why am I still being told that it's okay to "tell men not to rape" then?

What 'rights' do females lack that they don't have today? The Feminist Revolution IMO came to a successful end, again around 1850 when given the right to vote.

Of course, job opportunities opened up in the later part of the 19th century, but then feminism began a self sabotaging(without acknowledging or hell even thinking of it as self sabotaging)

I had discussed various varieties of this self sabotage, and its effects. Good luck finding a true, long term committed relationship. And maybe it won't be evident now, but if we continue on our open ended policy, 20 or 30 years from now we'll be facing China/Japan's ecological challenges.


Problems with work hours have also affected the relationship and that 90% number in regards to case settlements IS a problem, I would call it pro-sexism.(IE: Gender oriented support in the positive sense).

That being said, I'm obviously against the notion that we're all "equal", we're equal only in birth and death. In life, I'm me and you are you and we have different talents, different skillsets and different levels of intelligence.

FPOD for example, is a soldier(He's implied as much). I, as someone who has CP basically doesn't have the muscular strength to carry out the physical, difficult tasks that are required of our elite soldiers.

True equality, true solidarity is in understanding, recognizing and accepting these differences, not trying to promote a false sense of equality that's not true. The notion that 'even if you didn't win, you tried.' Its true, he tried but he failed.

It should inspire him to do even better, or, upon the realization that this isn't his path to follow in life, he finds yet something else and its the perfect job or career for him, giving his life meaning.

No. True equality means treating everyone the same way. Always.

You need to understand that just because you believe a certain way is right, doesn't make it "equal". You don't believe men and women should be treated the same way because (from what you've claimed) women are neither as smart or physically strong as men, and even if they are they should not be treated like they could do a mans job. Just stand up for the fact that you are sexist, and that you believe that this sexism is right. Women should not be allowed to do as they please, even if they are capable of doing it. I will only assume that you think that men should not be allowed to do a womans job (I know you mentioned teaching and nursing as typically female occupations "where they can excel" as you put it.

You don't believe in equality. You clearly believe that the freedom of the citizen comes second to the progress of the state. Which is fine, I guess, even if I don't agree with what you say. But don't try to paint it up like something it isn't.



Or he could, you know, try again.

I keep seeing people posting here, but I don't think anyone has actually watched the videos I have linked. Well here is another one pointing out that women are the reason that our economy is failing.

I had but, didn't comment as I completely agree with them and I couldn't add anything extra to their eloquent statements. Feminism, specifically the "Gender Feminist" ideology, has turned into a horribly twisted parody of what the movement was originally about.

It's so true that it has become twisted. I was watching another one of the videos which goes along with this thing that I've been arguing about, taking responsibilty.

In the video the lady who I have linked many times, talks about how feminism though noble at the beginning, pushed and pushed until radicals appeared. No different then islam or christianity, and it is the people who disassociate with them claiming that the ideals they started never caused it to happen. People should own up to what they started.

And this video was a response to miss arizona I think who suggested that women should kill off all the men until they are less then 10% of the population because that would eliminate all feminist problems. The most accurate description of this was "Hitler Barbie"

Literally as dumb as a fucking rock.

lol I was just about to comment on that.

Yes, says the person who wasn't able to answer my question. You shouldn't talk to yourself, its a sign of mental health problems.

I just watched the 2 videos you posted along with a bit of the 3rd one, and i will respond to a few points made in them.

-I do think unless if a woman can prove the father would be a harmful influence she should not be able to bar him from seeing his child. But barring that, shared custody should be assumed. And there is some research into more effective forms of male birth control,so at some point in the future men may have more control over there fertility.

-On the topic of child support. I think there should be some measure of enforced child support simply because i believe some men will pay non if they can get away with it. With that said,i would be fine with modifying the rules of it to make it a bit more fair. And in the case of alimony, i would also be fine with modifying the rules of that to make it more fair. For example, a woman who has a good,stable job should not get the same alimony as women who is on unemployment. And if the man comes away from a divorce with significantly less then i could support alimony payments for the males

-I can't say i share her opposition to daycare, although i do think maternal leave should be expanded to parental leave(Basically allowing both men and women to take time off to be with their children, which seems as equal as you can get)

-In 2003 there was a study done between states with no fault divorce and those without, and it found states with no fault divorce had less cases of female suicide, females murdered by there spouse, and domestic abuse for women and men. With that said, i am not against trying to lower the number of divorces. I would prefer to look for other ways besides just eliminating no-fault divorce all together.

-I wouldn't mind doing away with quotas for females, or trying to help males get through school.

-While some of the concepts of feminism may have not worked out so well, i think its important to note there are other factors that have contributed to the global economic troubles such as the subprime mortgage fallout.

-On the topic of domestic violence in relation to males, i think completely blaming feminism for it is a bit unfair. A lot of males value toughness beyond all else, and enforce that on other males. The solution to that is to let go of gender roles/stereotypes. And that would also help men have more of a voice in custodial disputes.

I will conclude this post with a quote from a feminist minded blog i find relevant to this discussion




For anyone curious, the quote from the post on rape in the military

Most legal rights females gained were in the 1900's.

Some individual states did grant men and women a lot of rights(property, divorce, voting, etc. etc.), but not in the 1850's.



How would you modify these laws?



I personally believe he(well any parent with custody) be responsible for themselves and the child they're taking care of.

I do agree with your sentiment towards gender roles, and unfortunately, sometimes men push negative ones towards other men.(like forcing responsibility over someone with no reproductive rights)

Have it be based on the cost of living more so than the mans wages. This eliminates the problem of men not wanting to get better jobs in fear of more money getting taken away from them. It should be set at just enough for the child to live decently, and no more than that. The only time i would make an exception is if the man doesn't have the income to provide that, in which case i would support them paying a reduced amount for child support.




Well i'm pretty sure child support only kicks in if the child is living with the mother(and if that is not the case it should), so in that case the women is already taking some responsibility for it. If the child is living with the father, then i would ask the mother to pay some child support.